Today on Inside Politics the real congressman of washington, d. C. Jim jordan tries to jump the line in the fight over the speakers gavel as the republicans he says he can unite give the Country Drama and shade worthy of a dbravo reality tv show. Believe it or the not, joe biden is building that wall. The president cites a Migrant Emergency bypass 26 laws and funnel money to break ground on physical boarder barriers. Plus no new car, no caviar, no fourstar dream for ron desantis. The 2024 candidate faces a cash crunch and the real possibility that he could run out of money before the iowa caucuses. Im dana bash. Lets go hbehind the headlines and Inside Politics. We begin with a question. Is being first enough . Today jim jordan is making it impossible to miss what job he wants next, and that is house speaker. The ohio congressman visited foxs morning show to deliver the message to his colleagues and to the 2024 front runner. I disagree with what took place, but they are friends of mine. I think thats the message i have been talking to my colleagues about. Who can bring aid into the team works who can unite our team. I think i can do that. If i didnt think i couldnt do that, i wouldnt run. Manu raju is live on capitol hill. I made a joke about the bravo tv, but i covered those halls where you are for two decades. You have been there a long time too. I have never heard the kind of rhetoric used within a Political Party as we have heard from the conversations that you are having in halls over the last 24 to 48 hours. Reporter yeah, theres no question about that. The personal insults are being slung, mostly at the direction of congressman matt gaetz, who was the ring leader of this effort. But also in the seven other republicans who joined matt gaetz and threats that their fundraising could dry up. All that coming because the emotions are just so raw at the moment, which leads to the question about whether the next speaker can actually bridge the divide within this conference after we saw that unprecedented vote to remove mccarthy from his position. Gaetz has been taking a lot of the incoming fire from a lot of republicans all across the ideological spectrum. But also some that are align ed with donald trump, contending that gaetz actually broke from what Donald Trumps wishes and they believe that it should be some retribution. Mr. Gaetz is only doing this for himself, and i believe he should be looked at for expulsion. He doesnt have his ducks in a row. Thats what you see. They can never keep their stories straight. Hes going to continue to lie. You brag about how he would crush ed medicine and chase it with energy drink so he could go all night. This is before he got married. So that pretty stark accusation from Form Er Congressman now a senator from oklahoma. I asked gaetz office about that. He said in a statement hes only spoken 20 words on the house floor with him calling it a lie. He went on to say hes coping with the death of the political career of his friend kevin. Thoughts and prayers. So dismissing that. So the question here is can scalise or jordan win over those eight holdouts, but not alienate the moderate members of the conference who are furious at those folks on the right or will a third candidate emerge where the house is expected to have its first votes to nominate their candidate for speaker before the full house votes. Thats where things will be tricky getting the 218 votes, any 5 members of the republican side can scuttle that effort. Major questions at this moment. Before i let you go, which is why the speaker protems to have a meeting and a forum before they go to the floor to work it all out so we dont have a 15round situation on capitol hill. Please come back to us if anybody emerges from any of those offices in that hallway. Thank you so much. Here with with me to share their insights is tia mitchell, jeff zeleny, and politicos heidi. Thank you so much for being here. I want to start with jeff. You covered the campaign trail. You covered the white house and you have covered capitol hill. Have you ever seen anything like this before . The way that republicans are so angry at one another. We have seen anger before, but its never been to this level. They hate matt gaetz. Theres is so many who do. Usually theres a bigger divide. I remember when john boehner took his leave and announces the day after the pope was on capitol hill that was such a moment. And a lot of people disliked john boehner, but there wasnt personal hatred. The same as paul ryan. I wasnt around during the Newt Gingrich era, but that wasnt there. And he had an opt ed in the Washington Post this week saying expel matt gaetz. I have not seen this. But we have never seen this moment in politics. This is sort of par for the course in the trump era. You mentioned the white house. Its all interlinked here. So its fuelled by just a new vitriol in our plit ticks. One thing i was talking with a republican member who said theres some support coming from an unlikely place for jim jordan because theres some people who would like to get him out of the chairmanship. He wants to be chair. Thats just an example of theres so many interwoven dynamics of what is going to play hout. Thats why mchenryed to take a pause. Their hope is to get a vote. Thats a tall order, i think. To get a floor vote on the first vote. We mentioned at the beginning of the show that even though there are more than theres more than one republican who is working the phones to be speaker of the house. Steve scalise, who is currently in line, was in line behind Kevin Mccarthy and then congressman hearne, who is the head of the republican study group. The person who is most out there is jim jordan. Jim jordan, you want you to listen to what hes saying now about why he should be speaker. And just remember that back when i was covering john boehner as speaker, he was one of the biggest thorns in John Boehners side. He wasnt quite the matt gaetz of today, but he was pretty close. Lets listen. You need someone who can unite the conference and just as importantly, unite the Republican Movement across this country. Thats what i think i can do. Thats why im running for the job. How would you rate boehner as a speaker . I have said this for four and a half years. Its a tough job. Its a darn tough job. Its not an easy thing. Im not saying that. Its a difficult job. I would have done some things different. I represent the same number of people as john boehner and Kevin Mccarthy and Steve Scalise and everyone else in the congress. Its we, we have to do what we told the voters we were going to focus on doing. There was no vote to vacate, but jim jordan along with mark meadows became chief of staff, helped to lead the push of john boehner out the door. This is the third time this party has been here now with boehner and ryan and now mccarthy. And thats why they are saying the first thing we need to do is to have a really potentially painful and ugly Family Therapy session here. At the same time, the fact that jim jordan is considered a front runner for this position, considering where we were a few years ago with many in his party considering him one of the chief anarchists and chaos agents of his party that he could now be in a position of Real Authority really speaks to where we were and also breeds some skepticism theres going to be a solution to this that isnt just more polarization, more partisan fighting, and not potentially just a deal among republicans instead of a deal with democrats that empowers people, including jim jordan. Its such a good point. Jim jordan hasnt changed. The party has changed. Hes the same guy. The party has just gone even more right or left, its just chaos. Speaking of chaos and an agent of whacking institutions, steve bannon, tthe New York Times hd some reporting this morning about steve bannon having this place, he has a place on capitol hill, but actually talking to matt gaetz, having them on his radio show, and they invited the Noew York Times photographer in as everything was brewing when they pushed out Kevin Mccarthy with this vote. What does that tell you about the dynamics here . It tells me kind of what you mentioned. Presidthe dynamics of the party moved towards chaos. We talked about donald trump being an exfactor. He didnt say he was in favor of keeping mccarthy or in favor of removing mccarthy, but trumpism has been alive with chaos. We did see President Trump saying he was in favor of shutting down the government. We did President Trump encouraging members to renegotiating with democrats. And thats kind of one of the catalysts for Kevin Mccarthys removal. So to me, what we see from b bannon, its like an agent of an aspect of where the Republican Party is. Its not necessarily about policy or values, but its about kind of the war zone of it all. Thats exactly what he said. He said you create a fire storm now that totally changes things. People right now think government is a benefit. Im going to show Government Spending is kootie infests 3. Up next, a cnn exclusive. Christiane amanpour sat down with Hillary Clinton this morning, and she says she understands why democrats did not bail out Kevin Mccarthy. So should the democrats have saved him, so to speak . Should they have voted to keep him in . That was a very tough call for the democratic caucus, but the problem was for them, as i understand it, he was totally untrusty by any measure. He immediately after they did help him keep the government open, as you know, began to blame them for all kinds of extraneous matters. And at some point, a leader who has lost all credibility in dealing with the opposition, where you want to have an open line of communication, you want to be able to trust his word, is going to ask for their help and not get it. Its said that the main contenders for his position are jim jordan, who you knew very well from benghazi. I dont know him well. I watched him and stared at him for 11 hours while he made stuff up about me, so i dont know him, but i have seen him in action. What would it mean if he gets the speaker sship . Hes one of the principal ring leaders of the circus thats been created in the Republican Party for the last several years. I have no inside knowledge about what the republicans will do, who they will vote for, but when do they put the Country First . They do not represent a majority of the Republican Party when you look the at the extrooesists in the house, they certainly dont represent a majority of the country. And somebody has to stand up and say enough. We could have disagreements. Im all for that. I was in the senate for eight years. I worked with a lot of republicans, and opposed them when i didnt agree. But at some point, there needs to be a backlash against the control that this small group of extremists have. And i dont know who will lead that, but lets hope whoever becomes the new speaker will. Up next, a promise made, a promise broken after vowing not to build a border wall if elected. President biden is doing just that. But first, im going to talk to one of those eight House Republicans who voted to kick Kevin Mccarthy out of the speakers chair. Stay with us. As the race to become speaker heats up, senators are making clear exactly what they think of the dysfunction in the other chamber. Its not an attractive picture. So we have to do better. It makes the rebels look foolish. They look unserious. I think they look like they are more interested in fighting the than governing. We in congress have some work to do to restore the trust in this institution called congress. Folks that ran as republicans have to decide whether or not they want to act as a majority or if they are going to act like a Republican Party and a pop list party. Now the question is will the pop lists come back into the republican fold. Joining me to respond to that and much more is republican Congressman Ken Buck of colorado. One of the eight republicans who voted successfully to remove Kevin Mccarthy from the the speakers chair. Thank you for coming in. First, your response to that, including the idea from fellow republican that you and your fellow seven are unserious. I disagree. I think that nikki haley had it right when she said the senate is the most privileged nursing home in america. I think its great that folks can be willing to criticize the house for our effort to reduce spending, when the senate is every bit as guilty as the majorities in the house have been in the past. I understand that you are in a different category than some of the other seven because you have, since you came into congress, been singularly fo focused on reducing Government Spending. I do get that. But what about the notion of doing that at the cost of basic functions of government . I mean, is lowering Government Spending for you more important than a functioning government . No, its not at all. You can have both. We have 77,000 vacant buildings owned by the federal government. We have a Department Of Defense that has failed its internal audit for 30 years in a row. We have a Department Of Defense that cant find billions of dollars of equipment. Why do you think removing Kevin Mccarthy will do anything about that . He refused to reduce spending. I brought the issue of unauthorized programs, a program thats authorized for five years and after five years its supposed to sunset. 1,400 unauthorized programs are being appropriated to and that number increased. Are you confident theres somebody in the republican conference who will do the kinds of things you talked about . Im confident we can come together and find a way to get that done. I know you dont want to name names because you think that would hurt the person that you named, but is there a kind of person that youre thinking of . I guess ill just ask you again in a different way. There is somebody who is running for speaker who you think will be able to tackle the problems of Government Spending and you and other fiscal conservatives support, but also can function in a very dysfunctional conference. Theres courageous leaders who will step forward. The democrats dont want wasteful spending. And republicans dont want that. Theres a way of finding places to cut spending that doesnt impact programs. I talked to dave joyce yesterday. I want you to listen part of our conversation. Should he and the other serve be kicked out of the kmps . I dont see how they can be part of a conference when they come on the inside and listen to whats going on and bombs in the middle. It sounds like thats a yes. I think im one of those who is ground up. I think its important that everybody have an opportunity to take in whats happening and make a decision when we get back. But i would vote for it. If being kicking you out of the republican conference, he says talking to you eight is a waste of time. So there are some who say we should be expelled. I dont think they can do math really well, because we have a fourvote majority right now. If you kick eight people out of the conference, you have speaker hakeem jeffries. You dont have a republican speaker. I think its great threats to throw around, but its really meaning lless at the moment. I think the anger and youre hearing it, im sure, face to face, maybe phone call to phone call, is about getting rid of him without a plan afterwards and how this looks not just to america, but to the world, about the strength of Democratic Institutions and the ability to find somebody to actually lead and coalesce. I think that the way it looks to the world is my primary concern. I think well find a speak er. I dont think people will consider this a minor pothole that we got over. The problems that we have faced are existential. If we dont address those, the world has a lot of reason to be concerned. I know youre not a supporter of steve bannon. He was egging on some of your fellow republicans who voted for this. Do you think thats appropriate . Steve bannon has a voice, like a lot of other people. Hes called me a rhino with that voice. I still worked with the others to make sure we get a better speaker. Were hearing from our colleagues that the former president is coming to capitol hill to speak to House Republicans. Is that something you think will help . Help what . Help to eunite the conferenc . I think there are a lot of people that dont support donald trump and the conference. And there are some who do support him. He obviously gave the Medal Of Freedom to jim jordan. Hes a big jim jordan fan. Im not sure what hes going to say, but i imagine hes supporting him at this point. Thank you for coming in. New video into cnn Shows Migrants rush ing the border ner el paso. As the Biden Administration gets ready to build a border wall, the Biden Administration is getting ready to build a border wall. Well have new reporting, ahead. Hes building a wall. Not donald trump, joe biden. Homeland security secretary announced this morning that the Biden Administration will wave 26 federal laws to build new sections of the border wall in the rio grand valley. Before we get to this, i just want to go right to the white house. The president made some comments there during