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Word both on and off it. Hall of Famehall Of Famer Dick 0 years old. Thats it for us. The news continues. Ill see you tomorrow. The source with kaitlan the source with Kaitlan Collins starts now. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com tonight, straight from the source, a major new report that donald trump allegedly revealed sensitive u. S. Secrets about Nuclear Submarines to a Billionaire Member of maralago. That businessman reportedly shared those secrets with dozens of others. I have new reporting on that story in just a moment. Also tonight, one of the deadliest attacks yet on civilians in ukraine has now prompted new calls from the white house to keep u. S. Aid flowing, while some republicans, including at least one who is a leading contender to be the next House Speaker, still say no more money. And today President Biden has said that walls do not work, yet his administration is expanding one of Donald Trumps signature policy goals, even after biden said not another foot would be built on his watch. Im Kaitlan Collins, and this is the source. Tonight, i have new reporting on the Trump Classified documents investigation. This comes, as abc news dropped this report tonight that months after leaving the white house, donald trump allegedly discussed potentially Sensitive Information about u. S. Nuclear submarines with a member of his maralago beach club, and not just any member. That member is the australian billionaire, Anthony Pratt, who runs one of the Worlds Largest packaging companies. And sources are confirming that federal investigators have interviewed prat as part of their investigation into whether mr. Trump mishandled classified documents. His company, Pratt Industries opened a plant in ohio when trump was president in 2019. You can see them here at that opening together. During that, pratt and trump unveiled a plaque commemorating the opening. During that visit, pratt also wanted to unveil a second secret plaque in honor of trumps catch phrase which read, Make America And Australia great again. Im told pratt was advised against that move and ultimately did not do so. According to nbc, pratt has told investigators that during a conversation they had, trump disclosed the exact number of war heads u. S. Submarines carry and how close they can get to a Russian Submarine without being detected. Pratt allegedly then went on to share this information with at least 45 other people, including more than ten australian officials, three former australian prime ministers, 11 of his own employees, and six journalists, not this one. Trumps spokesperson says, quote, these leaks are coming from sources which totally lack proper context and relevant information. They say President Trump did nothing wrong, has always insisted in truth and transparency, and acted in a proper manner according to the law. I want to get to Deputy Director of the fbi and cnns senior Law Enforcement analyst, andrew mccabe. Andrew, when you read this and you see that this information apparently spread far and wide from journalists to former foreign politicians, if trump actually was telling an australian billionaire this information, how damaging is that . Oh, my gosh, kaitlan. Its so unbelievably sensitive. Nuclear information about some of our most Sensitive National defense assets. And before i talk about that, i should just say, in response to the trump teams public statement, there is no proper context there is no context that makes disclosing National Defense information to a Foreign National acceptable or lawful really under any circumstances whatsoever. So, thats where we are. This information is so sensitive that it is one of the very, very few categories of information that even a sitting president cannot unilaterally declassify. So, congress has carved out special laws to cover Nuclear Defense information. This clearly would fall within that purview. So, its not something that trump could declassify, even if he was president. And we know of course when this conversation took place in april of 21, he was not. So, its just incredibly concerning. And its not even just that he told this one person. I mean, apparently, pratt then went on to allegedly i should note because he hasnt responded to our request for comment told at least 45 others. You were in the fbi for more than 20 years. What does the Intelligence Community think when they read a report like this . Folks in the Intelligence Community and in the military, i should add, are they spend their lives collecting, perfecting, and disseminating very carefully National Defense information, top secret highly classified information. So, to see someone, anyone, so blatantly abuse and misuse that information and handle it so irresponsibly, communicate it, disseminate it to a Foreign National, it is in offense to everything those folks hold sacred, everything theyve spent their lives defending. Its just an absolute disgusting offense. Im hearing from sources that pratt has been questioned by jack smiths investigators, by his team. If you were in that room, what kind of questions would you be asking Anthony Pratt . Wow, you know, you obviously want to establish with as much granular detail exactly how that interaction took place, whether they were, when it happened, who might have been around them, who might have been standing with the former president. The details of everything that he said, questions that pratt may have asked or what his reaction was to the things that he heard the president say. Then you would want to move on to find out who did he first speak to after hearing that information. We know from at least one former maralago employee overheard pratt then relaying that information to another person. So, you literally have to track the chain of disclosure here from pratt to all of those 45 people. Then youre investigating all of those 45 people to find out who they told. Its just it becomes an incredibly burdensome investigation but one thats essential to pursue. And apparently pratt is on the list of people who could be called at trial. Well see if that does ultimately happen. Andrew mccabe, thank you for joining us tonight with your expertise on this. Thank you. I want to get more reaction from someone who is challenging trump for the 2024 republican nomination, former new jersey governor and maybe more importantly on this subject, former u. S. Attorney, chris christie. Governor, i mean, when you hear that trump allegedly discussed potentially Sensitive Information about u. S. Nuclear submarines with a member of maralago and an australian national, i mean, whats your reaction to that . It just shows you how unfit he is for the presidency. I mean, its just that simple. I mean, you know, this is him though. He wants to show off. He wants to make himself seem important. Its not enough for him to have been the former president of the United States. Now he has to spew secrets, Sensitive Information, to people to show off on the, you know, balcony at maralago. Its just its both completely unthinkable but also completely typical at the same time. And its why he does not have the temperament, the selfcontrol, the selfdiscipline to be president of the United States. You think thats why, if he did this, why he did this . He was just showing off . Oh, no doubt in my mind about it. Ive known him for 22 years. He wasnt trying to do anything nefarious. He cant shut up. He cant help himself. If he thinks its going make him look good or important or in the know for a second to somebody, he does it. Hes done it his whole life. Hes never been able to keep a secret. And even when he has access to some of the most important secrets in our country, he cant help himself. Its just so typical. And its another reason why hes unfit to be president of the United States. Well, i mean, and everyone remembers when there were so many times when he was actually in the oval office that it was, kind of, a nightmare for u. S. Officials, whether it was bringing ambassadors into the oval office, other instances. But in this case, if he did actually tell this australian billionaire this information and he went on and told at least 45 other people aparentally, and trump is under investigation for mishandling classified information, if youre a prosecutor, how much does this factor into your case to make your case . Its just more whip cream on the sundae, kaitlan. Thats it. It is just more and more evidence that he is not only willing to mishandle these secrets but anxious to do it. I told people all the along, he took those documents, he kept those documents because it made him feel important. It allowed him to show off to other people. Weve seen the examples, allegedly, of him flashing the documents around at a table at maralago. Hes got intelligence reports in the top desk drawer in his office at maralago. I mean, look, this is a guy who is so insecure, a guy who is just so needy, that he has to do these things, that being one of only 45 people who have ever been president of the United States aint enough. Hes got to keep showing off. Do you think it matters to Republican Voters though . I think it will matter to Republican Voters. Look, what Republican Voters are starting to understand is two nights ago, we saw our own party, a very small element of it, eight of them, who are Trump Supporters dispatching the speaker of the house. And when this tumult is going on in our House Of Representatives, in our caucus, where is the guy who is nominee for the party twice, the guy whos the front runner right now . Was he there in congress helping . Was he on the phone talking to folks, trying to convince them to support the speaker . No. He was in a courtroom defending himself against civil fraud charges. I want everybody to understand out there whos watching, thats going to be the scene week after week after week from now through the election and after. A guy whos not leading our party against the democrats, a guy whos not making the case, a guy who is sitting there whining and moaning and complaining about his own misfortune and then spending all of his time in a courtroom because thats where hes going to be compelled to be. I mean, and now youve got some people in washington who are talking about making him speaker of the house for even five seconds . I mean, this is outrageous. Trumps talking about that. Who are these people . Re i mean, what do you make of well, of course he is. Shortterm speaker. Of course. It would grand diez him. It would give him another title. He could preen around there like the peacock he is and act like a big shot. He wouldnt do anything. This is the guy who didnt get obamacare repealed and replaced when he had majorities in both houses. This is the guy who had 7. 8 trillion to the National Debt when he had control of the house and snenate. This is the guy who said hes going to build a big beautiful wall across the entire border of mexico and build 52 miles of new wall in his entire presidency and mexico hasnt paid the first peso ward it. This is the guy who will get things done as speaker of the house . He was president of the United States and couldnt get anything done. He should not be speaker, and every president ial candidate should be saying the exact same thing. But remember these were the people who raised their hand and said theyd support him even if he was convicted of felonies. So, im not expecting any of them to stand up now. You and mike pence are the only ones who have said he shouldnt be House Speaker. Me and sa sa hutchinson, to correct you, kaitlan. No, pence weighed in mike pence raised his hand too. I was saying pence weighed in today saying trump should not be the House Speaker even for a little bit. Good for mike. Governor chris christie, well have you back soon. Thank you for your time tonight. Kaitlan, thanks so much for having me, and i appreciate always being on the source. Absolutely. Up next, speaking of that fight that governor christie was referring to, a blunt warning about one of the leading candidates to replace Kevin Mccarthy as the speaker of the house. Liz cheney, who of course chaired the january 6th committee, is predicting if jim jordan wins the gavel. The list of republicans angling for a chance to be the next speaker of the house is continuing to grow, ranging from a long shot, seemingly, donald trump, who is actually planning a trip to capitol hill on tuesday, we are told, even though his multiple criminal indictments would seemingly disqualify him for that job, to the underdog, oklahoma kevin hern, who is said to be running and throwing his hat in the race, to the current number two, steve scalise, who is officially in the race, working to get votes from his home state in louisiana in recent days. And there is jim jordan, the former Speaker John Boehner once told a legendary terrorist. By the end of the week there may be more republicans lining up to be third in line for the presidency. Joining me now is congressman garret graves. When liz cheney was on capitol hill, you worked with her on several issues. Heres what she said recently about one of the contenders for the next House Speaker. Jim jordan knew more what about that donald trump had planned for january 6th than any other member of the House Of Representatives. Now, somebody needs to ask jim jordan, why didnt you report to the Capitol Police what you knew donald trump had planned . If they were to decide that, there would no longer be any possible way to argue that a group of elected republicans could be counted on to defend the constitution. Congressman, what do you make of what liz cheney is saying there about jim jordan possibly becoming House Speaker . Look, i dont know anything about what liz is talking about. I know that obviously theres a bit of animosity there with her and some house republicans. But, look, i want to tell you something i think is really important. Jim jordan came to congress before i started and had been there a number of years. And the number of members of congress that said the jim jordan of 2010 or 2020 is a Night And Day difference to the jim jordan of 2023. And theres been a lot of change and, i guess, maturity in the way hes approached things. I think hes a great communicator. And i think jim is absolutely a viable candidate. I think steves a viable candidate. But more importantly, i think one of the things we need to be doing is really focusing on the stability or structure of the job, the position, of speaker of the house. Jim jordan obviously defied a congressional subpoena from the january 6 committee. Is that a factor at all in whether or not hes the right person to succeed Kevin Mccarthy . Look, the january 6 committee was a partisan effort. If there had been a committee that was actually set up that republicans got to choose who was on it and got to appoint their own members, i think that would have been a different story. But to go out and structure it the way they did at the beginning, you really did undermine the integrity of that committee. While every other committee in the congress, you have the respective parties that get to choose who their members are with expertise to serve. In this case that was a decision, of course, congressman, by Kevin Mccarthy. There were two republicans on it, including liz cheney. But putting the committee aside, it sounds like you would be willing to potentially vote for jim jordan as the next House Speaker. Look, i think whats most important and what im prioritizing is stabilizing the structure of the position of speaker of the house. Kaitlan, after that, yes, we need to have a robust discussion about who is best, is it steve scalise, jim jordan . Is there a third candidate out there . But im focused on the House Of Representatives undoing this disaster that matt gaetz and the rest of the chaos caucus have done to the house and making sure were getting back on track. So, it sounds like you dont think its a twoman race at point. You are a close ally of Kevin Mccarthy. You were there during his 15 rounds to become speaker in january. Are you disappointed that the former president didnt try to come to his defense more as he was in the throes of being oust frd ed from his job . Im disappointed that matt gaetz went out and fabricated this narrative and then acted on it. This was the Jack Abramoff of congress, charged more money to fix them. Thats where my frustration is. Smz something thats internal to the congress. This is not something thats external to outside forces. Well, thats interesting you said that because trump is coming. Apparently hes considering it. Its likely, i am told by sources, to the capitol on tuesday, as you are having your Famehall Of Famer Dick<\/a> 0 years old. Thats it for us. The news continues. Ill see you tomorrow. The source with kaitlan the source with Kaitlan Collins<\/a> starts now. Captions by vitac www. Vitac. Com tonight, straight from the source, a major new report that donald trump allegedly revealed sensitive u. S. Secrets about Nuclear Submarines<\/a> to a Billionaire Member<\/a> of maralago. That businessman reportedly shared those secrets with dozens of others. I have new reporting on that story in just a moment. Also tonight, one of the deadliest attacks yet on civilians in ukraine has now prompted new calls from the white house to keep u. S. Aid flowing, while some republicans, including at least one who is a leading contender to be the next House Speaker<\/a>, still say no more money. And today President Biden<\/a> has said that walls do not work, yet his administration is expanding one of Donald Trumps<\/a> signature policy goals, even after biden said not another foot would be built on his watch. Im Kaitlan Collins<\/a>, and this is the source. Tonight, i have new reporting on the Trump Classified<\/a> documents investigation. This comes, as abc news dropped this report tonight that months after leaving the white house, donald trump allegedly discussed potentially Sensitive Information<\/a> about u. S. Nuclear submarines with a member of his maralago beach club, and not just any member. That member is the australian billionaire, Anthony Pratt<\/a>, who runs one of the Worlds Largest<\/a> packaging companies. And sources are confirming that federal investigators have interviewed prat as part of their investigation into whether mr. Trump mishandled classified documents. His company, Pratt Industries<\/a> opened a plant in ohio when trump was president in 2019. You can see them here at that opening together. During that, pratt and trump unveiled a plaque commemorating the opening. During that visit, pratt also wanted to unveil a second secret plaque in honor of trumps catch phrase which read, Make America And Australia<\/a> great again. Im told pratt was advised against that move and ultimately did not do so. According to nbc, pratt has told investigators that during a conversation they had, trump disclosed the exact number of war heads u. S. Submarines carry and how close they can get to a Russian Submarine<\/a> without being detected. Pratt allegedly then went on to share this information with at least 45 other people, including more than ten australian officials, three former australian prime ministers, 11 of his own employees, and six journalists, not this one. Trumps spokesperson says, quote, these leaks are coming from sources which totally lack proper context and relevant information. They say President Trump<\/a> did nothing wrong, has always insisted in truth and transparency, and acted in a proper manner according to the law. I want to get to Deputy Director<\/a> of the fbi and cnns senior Law Enforcement<\/a> analyst, andrew mccabe. Andrew, when you read this and you see that this information apparently spread far and wide from journalists to former foreign politicians, if trump actually was telling an australian billionaire this information, how damaging is that . Oh, my gosh, kaitlan. Its so unbelievably sensitive. Nuclear information about some of our most Sensitive National<\/a> defense assets. And before i talk about that, i should just say, in response to the trump teams public statement, there is no proper context there is no context that makes disclosing National Defense<\/a> information to a Foreign National<\/a> acceptable or lawful really under any circumstances whatsoever. So, thats where we are. This information is so sensitive that it is one of the very, very few categories of information that even a sitting president cannot unilaterally declassify. So, congress has carved out special laws to cover Nuclear Defense<\/a> information. This clearly would fall within that purview. So, its not something that trump could declassify, even if he was president. And we know of course when this conversation took place in april of 21, he was not. So, its just incredibly concerning. And its not even just that he told this one person. I mean, apparently, pratt then went on to allegedly i should note because he hasnt responded to our request for comment told at least 45 others. You were in the fbi for more than 20 years. What does the Intelligence Community<\/a> think when they read a report like this . Folks in the Intelligence Community<\/a> and in the military, i should add, are they spend their lives collecting, perfecting, and disseminating very carefully National Defense<\/a> information, top secret highly classified information. So, to see someone, anyone, so blatantly abuse and misuse that information and handle it so irresponsibly, communicate it, disseminate it to a Foreign National<\/a>, it is in offense to everything those folks hold sacred, everything theyve spent their lives defending. Its just an absolute disgusting offense. Im hearing from sources that pratt has been questioned by jack smiths investigators, by his team. If you were in that room, what kind of questions would you be asking Anthony Pratt<\/a> . Wow, you know, you obviously want to establish with as much granular detail exactly how that interaction took place, whether they were, when it happened, who might have been around them, who might have been standing with the former president. The details of everything that he said, questions that pratt may have asked or what his reaction was to the things that he heard the president say. Then you would want to move on to find out who did he first speak to after hearing that information. We know from at least one former maralago employee overheard pratt then relaying that information to another person. So, you literally have to track the chain of disclosure here from pratt to all of those 45 people. Then youre investigating all of those 45 people to find out who they told. Its just it becomes an incredibly burdensome investigation but one thats essential to pursue. And apparently pratt is on the list of people who could be called at trial. Well see if that does ultimately happen. Andrew mccabe, thank you for joining us tonight with your expertise on this. Thank you. I want to get more reaction from someone who is challenging trump for the 2024 republican nomination, former new jersey governor and maybe more importantly on this subject, former u. S. Attorney, chris christie. Governor, i mean, when you hear that trump allegedly discussed potentially Sensitive Information<\/a> about u. S. Nuclear submarines with a member of maralago and an australian national, i mean, whats your reaction to that . It just shows you how unfit he is for the presidency. I mean, its just that simple. I mean, you know, this is him though. He wants to show off. He wants to make himself seem important. Its not enough for him to have been the former president of the United States<\/a>. Now he has to spew secrets, Sensitive Information<\/a>, to people to show off on the, you know, balcony at maralago. Its just its both completely unthinkable but also completely typical at the same time. And its why he does not have the temperament, the selfcontrol, the selfdiscipline to be president of the United States<\/a>. You think thats why, if he did this, why he did this . He was just showing off . Oh, no doubt in my mind about it. Ive known him for 22 years. He wasnt trying to do anything nefarious. He cant shut up. He cant help himself. If he thinks its going make him look good or important or in the know for a second to somebody, he does it. Hes done it his whole life. Hes never been able to keep a secret. And even when he has access to some of the most important secrets in our country, he cant help himself. Its just so typical. And its another reason why hes unfit to be president of the United States<\/a>. Well, i mean, and everyone remembers when there were so many times when he was actually in the oval office that it was, kind of, a nightmare for u. S. Officials, whether it was bringing ambassadors into the oval office, other instances. But in this case, if he did actually tell this australian billionaire this information and he went on and told at least 45 other people aparentally, and trump is under investigation for mishandling classified information, if youre a prosecutor, how much does this factor into your case to make your case . Its just more whip cream on the sundae, kaitlan. Thats it. It is just more and more evidence that he is not only willing to mishandle these secrets but anxious to do it. I told people all the along, he took those documents, he kept those documents because it made him feel important. It allowed him to show off to other people. Weve seen the examples, allegedly, of him flashing the documents around at a table at maralago. Hes got intelligence reports in the top desk drawer in his office at maralago. I mean, look, this is a guy who is so insecure, a guy who is just so needy, that he has to do these things, that being one of only 45 people who have ever been president of the United States<\/a> aint enough. Hes got to keep showing off. Do you think it matters to Republican Voters<\/a> though . I think it will matter to Republican Voters<\/a>. Look, what Republican Voters<\/a> are starting to understand is two nights ago, we saw our own party, a very small element of it, eight of them, who are Trump Supporters<\/a> dispatching the speaker of the house. And when this tumult is going on in our House Of Representatives<\/a>, in our caucus, where is the guy who is nominee for the party twice, the guy whos the front runner right now . Was he there in congress helping . Was he on the phone talking to folks, trying to convince them to support the speaker . No. He was in a courtroom defending himself against civil fraud charges. I want everybody to understand out there whos watching, thats going to be the scene week after week after week from now through the election and after. A guy whos not leading our party against the democrats, a guy whos not making the case, a guy who is sitting there whining and moaning and complaining about his own misfortune and then spending all of his time in a courtroom because thats where hes going to be compelled to be. I mean, and now youve got some people in washington who are talking about making him speaker of the house for even five seconds . I mean, this is outrageous. Trumps talking about that. Who are these people . Re i mean, what do you make of well, of course he is. Shortterm speaker. Of course. It would grand diez him. It would give him another title. He could preen around there like the peacock he is and act like a big shot. He wouldnt do anything. This is the guy who didnt get obamacare repealed and replaced when he had majorities in both houses. This is the guy who had 7. 8 trillion to the National Debt<\/a> when he had control of the house and snenate. This is the guy who said hes going to build a big beautiful wall across the entire border of mexico and build 52 miles of new wall in his entire presidency and mexico hasnt paid the first peso ward it. This is the guy who will get things done as speaker of the house . He was president of the United States<\/a> and couldnt get anything done. He should not be speaker, and every president ial candidate should be saying the exact same thing. But remember these were the people who raised their hand and said theyd support him even if he was convicted of felonies. So, im not expecting any of them to stand up now. You and mike pence are the only ones who have said he shouldnt be House Speaker<\/a>. Me and sa sa hutchinson, to correct you, kaitlan. No, pence weighed in mike pence raised his hand too. I was saying pence weighed in today saying trump should not be the House Speaker<\/a> even for a little bit. Good for mike. Governor chris christie, well have you back soon. Thank you for your time tonight. Kaitlan, thanks so much for having me, and i appreciate always being on the source. Absolutely. Up next, speaking of that fight that governor christie was referring to, a blunt warning about one of the leading candidates to replace Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> as the speaker of the house. Liz cheney, who of course chaired the january 6th committee, is predicting if jim jordan wins the gavel. The list of republicans angling for a chance to be the next speaker of the house is continuing to grow, ranging from a long shot, seemingly, donald trump, who is actually planning a trip to capitol hill on tuesday, we are told, even though his multiple criminal indictments would seemingly disqualify him for that job, to the underdog, oklahoma kevin hern, who is said to be running and throwing his hat in the race, to the current number two, steve scalise, who is officially in the race, working to get votes from his home state in louisiana in recent days. And there is jim jordan, the former Speaker John Boehner<\/a> once told a legendary terrorist. By the end of the week there may be more republicans lining up to be third in line for the presidency. Joining me now is congressman garret graves. When liz cheney was on capitol hill, you worked with her on several issues. Heres what she said recently about one of the contenders for the next House Speaker<\/a>. Jim jordan knew more what about that donald trump had planned for january 6th than any other member of the House Of Representatives<\/a>. Now, somebody needs to ask jim jordan, why didnt you report to the Capitol Police<\/a> what you knew donald trump had planned . If they were to decide that, there would no longer be any possible way to argue that a group of elected republicans could be counted on to defend the constitution. Congressman, what do you make of what liz cheney is saying there about jim jordan possibly becoming House Speaker<\/a> . Look, i dont know anything about what liz is talking about. I know that obviously theres a bit of animosity there with her and some house republicans. But, look, i want to tell you something i think is really important. Jim jordan came to congress before i started and had been there a number of years. And the number of members of congress that said the jim jordan of 2010 or 2020 is a Night And Day<\/a> difference to the jim jordan of 2023. And theres been a lot of change and, i guess, maturity in the way hes approached things. I think hes a great communicator. And i think jim is absolutely a viable candidate. I think steves a viable candidate. But more importantly, i think one of the things we need to be doing is really focusing on the stability or structure of the job, the position, of speaker of the house. Jim jordan obviously defied a congressional subpoena from the january 6 committee. Is that a factor at all in whether or not hes the right person to succeed Kevin Mccarthy<\/a> . Look, the january 6 committee was a partisan effort. If there had been a committee that was actually set up that republicans got to choose who was on it and got to appoint their own members, i think that would have been a different story. But to go out and structure it the way they did at the beginning, you really did undermine the integrity of that committee. While every other committee in the congress, you have the respective parties that get to choose who their members are with expertise to serve. In this case that was a decision, of course, congressman, by Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>. There were two republicans on it, including liz cheney. But putting the committee aside, it sounds like you would be willing to potentially vote for jim jordan as the next House Speaker<\/a>. Look, i think whats most important and what im prioritizing is stabilizing the structure of the position of speaker of the house. Kaitlan, after that, yes, we need to have a robust discussion about who is best, is it steve scalise, jim jordan . Is there a third candidate out there . But im focused on the House Of Representatives<\/a> undoing this disaster that matt gaetz and the rest of the chaos caucus have done to the house and making sure were getting back on track. So, it sounds like you dont think its a twoman race at point. You are a close ally of Kevin Mccarthy<\/a>. You were there during his 15 rounds to become speaker in january. Are you disappointed that the former president didnt try to come to his defense more as he was in the throes of being oust frd ed from his job . Im disappointed that matt gaetz went out and fabricated this narrative and then acted on it. This was the Jack Abramoff<\/a> of congress, charged more money to fix them. Thats where my frustration is. Smz something thats internal to the congress. This is not something thats external to outside forces. Well, thats interesting you said that because trump is coming. Apparently hes considering it. Its likely, i am told by sources, to the capitol on tuesday, as you are having your Candidate Forum<\/a> the day before youre going to have your actual spoker. Hes claiming tonight that he could take the job as House Speaker<\/a> on a shortterm basis. Do you believe that that can happen . You know, look, theres a part of me that just sitting down and buying tickets to watch the chaos would be incredibly entertaining to see what the democrats just created. But in, i guess, more serious fashion, look, my focus is on restoring functionality and stability. My guess is, just based upon precedent, that the next speaker of the house is going to be a member of the House Of Representatives<\/a>. But as you have seen and i have seen, there are a few members of congress that have said that they think that he would be a viable speaker. But as you know, there has not been an external speaker. I think while the constitution does provide for it, i think were going to have a member of the house thats speaker of the house. That was a pretty big sigh from you. Are you saying you dont think trump should come on tuesday, that its not helpful . I didnt say that at all. Its just that when you look already well, do you feel that way . Im sorry . Do you feel that he should that his influence there, his presence on tuesday night, is not helpful . Im not saying that. Im just saying that were in this situation where we have chaos, we have uncertainty, and i do think that his presence is certainly going to add another dynamic of excitement. But what im focused on and im going to remain focused on getting the functionality of the house. We can talk about these externalities all day long. What we need to be doing is securing our southern border. We need to be fixing Energy Policy<\/a> thats so brainless right now that were becoming more dependent upon other countries and watching emissions go up as compared than they did under President Trump<\/a>, where they actually went down. We need to be focused on getting spendal under control, get our fiscal house under control. Those are things im concerned about and here the most. I hear the word excitement. You said chaos. Obviously, congressman, what is at the center of this is ukraine funding on the line. A russian strike today as you saw on a Grocery Store<\/a> killed at least 50 people. You recently voted in favor of an amendment that would have blocked Security Assistance<\/a> to ukraine. It didnt pass, but a total of 93 republicans voted for that, including you. Does an attack like you see today, ukrainian Officials Say<\/a> theres no Military Target<\/a> anywhere near where this attack happened, does that shift your position at all . Let me be very clear, what Vladimir Putin<\/a> has done in ukraine is absolutely inexcusable. As a defender of liberty and human rights, the United States<\/a> has a responsibility and obligation to participate. But i cant go to our constituents, the people we represent, and say we need to invest tens or even hundreds of billions of dollars in ukraine and were not going to do a damn thing about our southern border because our president has blocked efforts to secure it. Number one. Number two, lets be really clear on whats going on right here because this is important. Today, the Department Of Defense<\/a> has 6 billion available to offer assistance to ukraine. Today the State Department<\/a> has 3 billion available to ukraine. They have there was some discrepancy here, but we believe they have full authority to shift the dollars around, different dod programs. So, there is not an imminent crisis on funds. Is there one in the future . Yes. Weve got to have a candid discussion about accountability, about transparency of funds, about objectives. And im willing to have that conversation. I think the white house has not done a sufficient job in explaining the justification for the dollars that weve that theyre requesting so far. I think on the border, thats another subject were going to be speaking about later in the show. Were seeing the white house Build New Barrier<\/a> there. When it comes to do this, are you saying you would be willing to vote for ukraine funding in the future . I am willing to have that discussion, i absolutely am. But i want to be clear, kaitlan, youve got to put yourself in a position of a representative. Were going to take american taxpayer dollars and secure ukraines border and were not going to do a damn thing about our own. We have cartels, 106,000 americans weve had the cartels are profiting 13 billion a year from human smuggling. This is unforgivable. So, we do something about our southern border, this Administration Provides<\/a> justification, im willing to have that conversation with them. Cant you do both at the same time if you wanted to . Again, theres not an imminent loss of dollars, theres not a zero account balance. Theyve got time with the 6 billion and 3 billion. There is time to have a conversation about it. Yes, we can have a conversation about the southern border and ukraine at the same time. But, again, i want you to put yourself in my position. I represent 800,000 people that are taxpayers. Im not going to go out and say another countrys border is more important than our own when our own citizens are being shot, are being killed, are being poisoned as a result of the fentanyl, the 147, i think, folks on the Terrorist Watch List<\/a> that have come across the southern border. This is dangerous. The conditions right here in america. Congressman garret graves, thank you for your time tonight. Good luck next week. You bet. Thank you. Its an idea that President Biden<\/a> once said was not a serious policy solution. Trump campaigned on bill that wall. Are you willing to tear that wall down . No, im there will not be another foot of wall constructed in my administration. Well, now he is adding more than another foot. Hes actually building miles more of what was Donald Trumps<\/a> Signature Objective<\/a> at the southern border. Were going to speak to the reporter that you saw there re next. President biden expanding the wall at the u. S. mexico border. Yes, you did hear that right. His administration waiving 26 laws to do so, despite once vowing he would never add another foot to that wall. Today, President Biden<\/a> said he had no choice. The money was appropriated for the border wall. I tried to get them to reappropriate it, to redirect, that money. They didnt. They wouldnt. And in the meantime, theres nothing under the law other than they have to use the money for what it was appropriated for. I cant stop that. Do you believe the Border Wall Works<\/a> . No. Despite that one word answer there, the project is set for the rio grande valley, where Homeland Security<\/a> secretary Alejandro Mayorkas<\/a> says, quote, an acute and immediate need to construct physical barriers to ease the surge in migrant crossings. Doing so will require biden to bypass laws that his administration has moved to protect, including the National Environmental<\/a> policy act, the endangered species act, and the clean water and air act. The white house is defending the move, saying that they are just simply following the law by using this money to expand the wall. This is not new, right . This is something that came from the last administration under the Republican Leadership<\/a> in fiscal year 2019. And we are required to do this. We are required dhs is required to comply by the law. Thats what were doing here. I want to bring in lulu garcia navarro, a New York Times<\/a> host. You were the reporter who pressed then candidate biden about this. I want to remind our viewers what it was exactly that he told you. Campaigned on build that wall. Are you willing to tear that wall down . No, im there will not be another foot of wall constructed in my administration. Im going make sure that we have border protection, but its going to be based on making sure that we use hightech capacity to deal with it. Given how forceful that he was in that answer to you then, what do you make of then versus what hes doing now . I think theres that old adage, never say never. And i think what were seeing now is precisely that. He was very clear that he was not going to build any barrier on the southern border. And of course what were seeing now is the plan to make about 18 miles of 18 to 20 miles of new border fencing. Its going to be about 18 sorry, 18 feet high. So, it is going to be an actual barrier. And i think the administration is trying to have it both ways. On the one hand, theyre saying, you know, barriers dont work, walls dont work, thats something from the republican administration. But on the other hand, we are seeing, as you pointed out quite clearly, that there is a need on the southern border, according to dhs, saying that there are these this very large surge in migrant crossings. And this area where this barrier is going to be built is a very porous area. Ive been down there many times. It is a place with a lot of crossings. And there is, according to dhs, a need for a barrier. And of course you hear the white house saying, well, this money has been appropriated. We have no choice. Of course money is appropriated all the time and not actually used. When you look at this from a political perspective, every politician knows what you said, which is theres a difference when youre campaigning and when youre in office. And unpredictable things that happen. And the president s Approval Rating<\/a> when it comes to Border Security<\/a> and immigration is lower than his overall Approval Rating<\/a>, which is also quite low. Do you believe part of that is also whats at stake here for him . I think so. I mean, the situation on the southern border and just immigration writ large is becoming a very important topic, not only for republicans who have been campaigning on this for a long time but for democrats. Weve been seeing in democratic cities across this country, chicago, new york, washington, d. C. , denver, huge numbers of immigrants. I was just talking to one of my colleagues from the New York Times<\/a> who was in chicago, and he was stunned by what he was seeing, migrants camped out at police stations. Theres about 800 migrants in one of the terminals in ohare airport. This, of course, has brought this issue home to the very constituents that biden needs to win the next election. So, what were seeing here is him trying to thread the needle. On the one hand, building more barriers on the southern border isnt going to appease the right. But on the other hand, it is going to infuriate the left. And weve already seen that. Ive been, you know, seeing quotes all day from bidens supporters and others saying, this is a horrific step backwards. So, hes in a very difficult position. There is real urgency around this. But on the other hand, he needs to be seen as doing something. Yeah. Lulu garcia navarro, i mean, youre the perfect person to speak with this about. Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you. Up next, he has been viewed as aa potential spoiler of the president ial cycle. Now cornell west says he is running as an independent. Why and what changed . Well ask him ask him in his fi interview next. Progressive president ial candidate dr. Cornell west is changing lanes again in his bid for the white house. He announced today that he will no longer seek the green partys nomination and instead is going to run as an independent. It was just, of course, a few months ago that dr. West left a lesser known group to join that ticket. His run could tip the election to potentially donald trump if hes the gop nominee. Dr. Cornell west is back here with me. Welcome back to the source. Its a blessing to be here. Thank you for being here. I salute you and the work youre doing. Thank you very much. We had you on the first week of the show. Absolutely. Tell me why you made this move . Im convinced were at such a low level in this country with the political paralysis, corporate greed, suppression in so many ways, uaw workers and now health care workers. We have to raise our voices in a serious way. And im thoroughly convinced that both parties are beyond redemption. Theyre almost like plantations. The green party is a progressive party. And i was so glad that sister jill stein came in and allowed me to become a part of that process. But i discovered that lo and behold, even there theres certain impediments. And, you see, sister kaitlan, i really am a jazz man in the life and the mind and the world of politics, which means its difficult to play in the party band. Its difficult to have to deal with those constraints. What do you mean impediments . First, its a long nomination process. Youve got a number of different appearances you have to make. You have to make your case. And i understand that democratic process. But when it becomes so internal that i dont have time to focus on the pain and the social misery of the people. But do you worry it complicates your bid for the white house. If you did run as the green party nominee, youre on the ballot in, i think, 20 or so states. Now youve got to raise a lot of money, have this effort to get your name on the ballots, which you know as well as i do requires Tens Of Thousands<\/a> of signatures. My green Party Brothers<\/a> and sisters have 18 states. We still have 32. The corporate duopoly is so unjust, making it reproduce the status quo. Now ive got 50. But its easier as an independent to gain access to the ballot than it is to be part of the third party, you see . So, weve got folk on the ground, operations on the ground. Ive got an organizational genius in my dear Brother Peter Dowel<\/a> and magnificent high quality team, and were hitting the ground running and were going to be in at least 35 or 40 states. Did you hear from anyone in the white house or the Biden Campaign<\/a> or any of President Biden<\/a>s associates about this move . No, not at all. Not at all. And we want to continue to put some fear into them. When you speak to the greater wall street, when you really speak to the Military Ad Adventurers<\/a> and the possibility of World War Iii Mediated<\/a> with that ugly, ugly suffering of our precious ukrainian Brothers And Sisters<\/a>, when you speak to the mass incarceration, the plight of those in the hood and barrios and reservation, Poor White Folk<\/a> and poor working people across the board, that puts fear in the status quo. Both democrats and republicans, both of them tied to wall street. Weve got to keep things in such flux, my dear sister. Biden might not even be the candidate. Hes running out of gas. Trump may be either in jail or on the way to jail. We dont know. Weve got a whole year. I have to be true to my calling, and i have to be consistent. And most importantly, i want to try to be an example. As fallible as i am, i want to be an example of a quest for integrity, honesty, and decency in a moment where theres so much hatred and greed and revenge. Given you want to be that example, and you just mentioned the potential for world war iii. You and i have talked about this before with russia and nato the last time you were here. You recently were headlining an event that was put on by an antiwar group. Mother jones is saying at that event, it was cosponsored by activists known to work for russian state media, for the Chinese Communist<\/a> party, the north korean regime. How do you justify being mother jones, what a great figure she was. She would be critical of whats being done in her name. It was sponsored by magnificent Brothers And Sisters<\/a> called code pink, Me Dia Benjamin<\/a> and others, critical of oppression across the board. It could be oppression in russia, oppression of muslims in china. We were calling for the stoppage of the war because we dont want another endless war. We dont want billions and billions being spent when we dont have money for health care, jobs with a living wage, decent housing. Its part of the legacy of Martin Luther<\/a> king jr. Let the bombs drop over seas land in Community Resources<\/a> here. That was the spirit of that gathering. You said youre against funding to ukraine, and youve said you blamed nato for russias invasion. Russia has said that is kremlin talking points. You havent said what terms of a ceasefire you would accept. But i dont blame nato. I blame the United States<\/a> using nato as part of their imperial policy to provoke russia. But russia provoked russia. Russia didnt invade a nato country. They invaded ukraine. Its a small empire. Its repressive. Putin himself authoritative. Its small compared to the United States<\/a>. Russia has 30 militaries around the world. Weve got 800 around the world. But my point is this, though. My point is this. We have to be consistent in our critiques of oppression, wherever it is. If its russian oppression, were critical of it. It can be oppression in iran, precious young muslim sisters. It could be oppression in guatemala, uganda. Weve got to be consistent. But we have to take u. S. Responsibility. And u. S. Responsibility is what . Special operation units, 150 countries, 800 military units, and over 85 countries. Youre speaking about specifically. But nato was a particular expression of u. S. Power. It has been from the very beginning, you see. That doesnt in any way justify the criminal invasion of putin. But it means when you provoke any nation, if russia had missiles and mexico and canada, what would be the responsibility of democrats and republicans. Blow it to smithereens. We disagree on this every time. Do not provoke that invasion. We had the disagreements on that. But thats all right. Somebodys right or wrong. Its a conversation we appreciate you having. Dr. Cornell west, now running as an independent. I salute the work youre doing. You put a smile on the folks in prattville, alabama. Thank you. A new guilty plea that could mean even more trouble for the indicted republican congressman George Santos<\/a>. Well tell you who it is, next. The former Campaign Treasurer<\/a> for George Santos<\/a> pleading not guilty in a blow to the already embattled congressman, her charge, conspireing to defraud the United States<\/a>. She admitted she falsified financial documents and donation records for the santos kbcampai. Essentially saying that she tricked these republicans into supporting santos and helped falsify documents, that does not mean good things for him . Oh, no, no, no. That spells huge political problems for him and serious legal consequences as well. The political problems are obvious. Shes going to be sentenced to prison. This comes with a recommendation that she serve as much as five years in prison. Shes going to be sentenced in april. In those six months before that happens, she is going to be talking obviously with prosecutors. They were indicted at the same time. This is a campaign that benefitted him. The crimes she admitted to in court today were really on his behalf. While he claims he had nothing to do with it, thats going to be a very, very difficult claim to explain, both to voters and to oh prosecutors. She doesnt have a Cooperation Agreement<\/a> yet, but this seems to guarantee shell get one. Thats right. The filings were preposterous. She had to plead guilty. Theres no way she could have survived a trial. There were things like 250,000 worth of unitemized expenses each of which was 199. 99 which is the threshold for explaining what you spent the money on. It was an outrageous campaign. There were people listed who had never donated to anyone. There were addresses given of the address of where the donors live where there was no one there. She explained why it was done, how it was done. For George Santos<\/a> to say this person, my close associate did all of this behind my back, is absolutely preposterous. Its as unbelievable as the filings themselves. Just adds to this ever growing story. Thank you. Thanks. Of course, well be right back after a quick break. Cmon, were right there. Cmon baby. Its the only we need. Go, go, go, go ah Touchdown Baby<\/a> touchdown are your neighbors watching the same game . Yeah, my 5g Home Internet<\/a> delays the game a bit. But you get used to it. Try these. Theyre noise cancelling earmuffs. I stole them from an airport. Its always something with you, man. Great solid greek salad . Exactly dont delay the game with verizon or tmobile 5g Home Internet<\/a>. Catch it on the xfinity 10g network. 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