Ramaswamy and his campaign after an incident involving protesters at his car. In iowa today, ramaswamy claimed the protesters ramped into his car at an event. But police now say that the driver accidentally backed into his car in a parking lot. That driver was not there to protest. And thats all for me. Thanks for watching laura coates is back in her hour starts right now. That was a quick turnaround i was just here, is a deja vu. Its like you never left. Look at this our airings match. Okay thats called alignment. A smooth handover is what we are doing right now. Its like air traffic control. Thank you very much abby philips everyone im laura coates good evening everyone. We talk about the news for a second. The former president Donald Trumps expected to endorse ohio congressman jim jordan to be the next speaker of the house. I want you to think about that for a second. It is an extremely important point and an extremely important position. Think about the role of the speaker of the house. The speaker is the second in line to the presidency right after the Vice President of the United States. And the duties, while a included Ministry Oath Of Office to members, giving members permission to even speak on the house floor. Counting and declaring all votes. Appointing members to committees, sending bills to committees, Signing Bills and resolutions that passed in the house. Thats a whole lot of responsibility. Today jim jordan has been prioritizing investigating what he believed to be a weaponized government. Now will that change in light of the other responsibilities . You know, i dont want to get ahead of myself because there are obviously other republicans who are vying for that gavel and even with the expected endorsement by a man who is called the head of the republican party, there is actually no guarantee that jordan will get the job. Its not entirely clear that he will get the required 218 votes. Or if really anyone on the bench can for the republicans can get that number. A source tells us that the gop conference is not even going to be meeting until six pm on monday, ahead of the Candidates Forum on tuesday. And then the election on wednesday. Now thats a pretty quick turnaround from that Conference Meeting to a vote and if you dont count the vote that it will have been a week between ousting mccarthy and that new vote. So what happens then . The cane can gets kicked down the road a little bit further . Remember its not just the duties of the speaker the house, remember all the things that house itself is not doing right now. Theres aid for ukraine, theres funding the u. S. Government, the Immigration Crisis at our borders being talked a lot about today with the wall. The epidemic of gun violence is Killing Thousands and thousands of us every single year. The Climate Crisis is fueling wildfires and floods and monsoons. Thats as former President Trump is facing for criminal trials. And there is the report that today that the former president allegedly discussed potentially Sensitive Information about the United StatesNuclear Submarines with who . A member of his maralago club. Thats according to abcs reporting. Did i mention that the government is running out of money in about 40 days . You think this is uncharted territory . Well you aint seen nothing yet. Just wait until the court dates in the Campaign Events are filling up the calendar and you are going to have to squint really hard just to between the court of law in the court of public opinion. Now people will tell you this is just politics as usual kid, but doesnt this just feel different . Is normal in the Rearview Mirror officially . And this republic. How do we keep it . Want to dig into all of this with michael eric dyson. Hes a distinguished professor of African American studies at vanderbilt university. Hes also the coauthor of an equal, a story of america. Michael i am so glad you are here tonight, when we think about this step back and what all this means. And the news tonight that trump is now expected to endorse jim jordan as speaker. Now he has been in congress in The Public Eye for nearly 20 years, but what would that do to the country in your mind . All, its great to see you laura, from being a Grand Marshal at your alma mater to seeing you here at cnn. I think it represents the extension of a neofascist uprising in American Culture where if you are dissatisfied with the speaker of the house and you are matt gaetz facing yourself in the past elise was serious allegations of harm, you are able to pull down this man with all of a power the egan muster and send the culture into chaos. I think that jim jordan is an extension of that same trajectory. That same kind of rightwing politics that is not good for the country. There are many conservatives that would do well in this nation because they love the country. Jim jordan doesnt appear to be cut from that cloth. There are many who find him very polarizing, others who might perhaps support. And lets break down these issues one of the time. Because as you mentioned a handful of republican rebels brought the peoples work on the capitol hill to a shuddering halt. Some say they had a non data reason, others are saying this might be the tyranny of the minority. How do you see it . Yeah, its definitely a vanda driven by the tyranny of minority. When you allow emotionally driven politics to determine the future of america, we are in bad shape as you already illuminated and reiterated, democracy is best when it has a healthy discord, a kind of dialogue that is based on serious intellectual and political differences. Not the kind of personal hatreds that have so clouded the american mainstream that bigotry seems to be normal and deliberation seems to be out the door. You know, its interesting because its not the first time in history we have had divisive rhetoric or politics or very personal attacks, but our system itself was designed from the start to make change slowly so we could not make rash decisions to change the entire structure of government. But i wonder if in these times that we are in, is it too slow to keep pace . Yeah, well depending on what side you are on, the thing is too much, too little, too fast, too quick or too slow. Look, thats why moderation has been of the Ringing Endorsement of a greek derived sense of democracy. That if we go too fast, we will get there but we will be in the ditch. And if we go to slow, well wait for the revolution to keep going and will miss it. The question is, are we able to summons the best angels of our nature to moderate either extreme and find ourselves in a position where we reflect not only the will of the people but the best thing for the nation and its healthy democracy . Someone says, why cant you get the best person for the job as a politician, because the best person doesnt want that particular job. Maybe the reasons youre talking about who knows . But this week trump is using increasingly violent rhetoric. Hes been calling for executing shoplifters, saying that migrants poison our country. Listen. We will immediately stop all of the pillaging and theft. Very simply, if you drop a store, you can fully expect to be shot as you are leaving that store. [applause] shot we will stand up to crazy nancy pelosi who ruined san francisco. Hauser has been doing by the way anybody . No nobody has ever seen anything like we were witnessing now. It is very sad thing for our country. Poisoning the blood of our country. It is so bad and people are coming in with disease, people are coming in with every possible thing that you could imagine. This is a disgrace and youre gonna go after this attorney general. Now we use the word executed, hes using the word shot. Not sure what he means there are not. But when you think of a former president saying these things, will be at the very top of every news broadcast. He would be everywhere. But they are not. Is it because we have become numb to this . We have become numb and desensitized. Is the former president willing to subject himself to the same penalty should he be found guilty of some of the pillaging and plundering in thievery about which he has been accused . Whether from his former university or lying about his money so he can hide them and so on . He has committed allegedly egregious crimes. Is he willing to be subjected to the same measure . Of course not. This is about the politics of purity in terms of ideology and the Hateful Stand that trump has unleashed in america and unfortunately and tragically too many people have tried to follow suit. Its interesting whether he would in fact believe his own rhetoric. But you often hear this phrase, we are better than this, or this isnt how it supposed to work in america. This is not us, this is not america. But americans elected these leaders, he is the presumptive head of the republican party. Obviously major party in the two party system. Is this who we are becoming . I mean, if we look back at Frederick Douglass or Abraham Lincoln or gunner myrtle, any other observer of america, yes. Who americas is a choice. When we say this is not america, or this is america, thats because we make a choice to be one or the other. This is an american experiment, a grand experiment in democracy. It is not yet settled, it will never be. It is an ongoing evolution of great possibility and dangerous demonizing instincts. The choices before us, and if we choose people who perpetuate a legacy of hatefulness and bigotry, this is indeed who we are as a nation. Democracy says america the choice of to be ours. Michael eric dyson, such a pleasure to talk to you tonight. Always great to talk to you. Well, they say that seeing is believing. But what about cameras in the courtroom for Donald TrumpsElection Subversion Trial in d. C. . Well it further divide us. Have or have people already made up their minds . Minnesota tourney general Keith Ellison is here to discuss. Next. Tonight more than a dozen major Media Organizations are asking the judge that oversees President Trumps Selection Subversion case to broadcast the trial. Now in order to argue the historic nature of this case and it is historic, warns to a very special rule that prohibits cameras in the courtrooms. Cnn is actually one of the media lets asking judge Tanya Chutkan permission to record and also telecast the march 24th trial. Want to talk about all of this with Minnesota Attorney general Keith Ellison, author of break the wheel, and in the cycle of police violence. He is argued against cameras in the past the Minnesota Police officer Derek Chauvins trial for the murder of george floyd, but his since changed his mind. And you know of course that trial was of course televised. Attorney general ellison, thank you so much for being here tonight. Im so glad to have a chance to speak with you about this tonight. People may have not realize having seen that actual trial televise, you initially didnt want to do that. Why . Thats true laura, i did not want to have the case televised because i feared that vulnerable witnesses might not be forthcoming if they knew that they were going to be having their image broadcast around the world. I was concerned about that the folks that happen to be on that fateful corner on may 25th, 2020, they didnt volunteer to be in the media limelight. But they just happened to be on that corner. And i was nervous that they would not come forward. But i learned that it was overwhelmingly positive. I learned that judge cahills right to order that the case be televised. He did it because of covid, because we really didnt have a gallery. That was because of covid spacing restrictions, but it ended up being the right thing. And you mention also one of the people who was so important to this case to people that actually captured on the cell phone was really a young girl, a young woman at the time. People were concerned about that as well, a minor. So it was evolution, but some people might look at this and say the reason not to have it is because the person is actually the defendant in this case. Trumps trial is about the Derek Chauvin trial. The nature of the defense is extraordinarily different, and you are well aware of the potential for his antics. How do you look at the fact that the former president of the United States, if donald trump specifically did that factor into whether you think there ought to be cameras in that courtroom . He has, i think because of those facts that you mentioned, those facts work in favor of cameras in the courtroom and telecasting that trial. Because look, there are literally millions of people that might believe he is innocent and there are some who think he is guilty. Lets look at the evidence. Lets let everybody see the evidence so we can squash rumor and suspicion and the far out interpretation. Lets just have it all put out for the world to see and if trump wants to testify he can do that. But i think that the country will accept the verdict whatever it is if this trial is televised and the world can see. People think that things are doing being done unfairly, they will see it. If they think the trial is being conducted in a fair, professional matter they will see that to. Thats a fair point because i have been thinking about that. Theres all this polling out there in, fact theres a gallup poll that shows the Public Confidence in institutions is low. 45 of americans who are very middle or low confidence in the criminal Justice Service system. 50 Free Television is for the trust. And the idea of the combination of these two things in particular would be very impactful, but you also have to wonder that the fact you have Donald Trump Former president speaking about this to tiered Justice System in the weaponization of the government and the socalled witch hunts and all the different states and sees making. Having people seeing it in realtime could really give that opportunity to see it for themselves. Doesnt really say things inside the courtroom the what about the fact that it would be broadcast during a Campaign Season as well. Does the politics at play here make an impression to you . Well, you cant take the politics out of american life. Its just there. I think its an inescapable thing. I think the only thing you can do is have some sunshine. Have some sunshine on all the facts so people can really know for themselves what happened, so they can make their own mind up about what the evidence means and how they can weigh it. Whether donald trump is being treated fairly or not. The Campaign Nature of this is something you simply cannot avoid unless you delay the trial beyond the point where all the electoral matters are dispensed with. But then youve got the problem of stale evidence, of justice delayed is justice denied, and the fact that there are a lot of things a can go wrong if you put this off. So i would say do it now, deal with the politics, and you should not be able to use and election to sort of avoid justice. And i think a public trial is part of the justice process. Thats fascinating especially given today because trump submitted a motion to have the entire case were talking about right now dismissed. Part of the reason hes doing so is because of the politics. I dont mean election related aspects of it, but hes cited president ial immunity, he cited his acquittal in the Senate Impeachment trial, obviously a political mechanism, but the alleged crimes that are centered on in this case of things he did after he left office in part. So what is this all about . Is it a way trying to hope that the public doesnt understand the nuance or the distinction or just throwing something against the wall and hoping it sticks . Well, i think its the latter. But let me tell you, president ial immunity is a thing, but it exists because when a president is discharging official actions that there needs to be some protection so that the president doesnt have to second guess every single thing he does and worry about litigation. What could possibly be official about committing a criminal act . In fact the definition of a criminal act is that it is exceeds your official duties. It is outside and in contrary and against your official duties. So i think that this simply doesnt work. You cannot commit a crime in the courts of your official duties in the turn around and say protect me because i was on the job doing official duties. A crime is a crime, nobody is above the law, everybody has to face the law. Attorney general Keith Ellison thank you so much. Well, theres a new report saying that former President Trump allegedly discussed sensitive Nuclear Submarine information with a maralago member. The possible National Security and legal implications are next. The power goes out and we still have wifi to do our homework. And thats a good thing . Great in my book who are you . No power . No problem. Introducing stormready wifi. 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