This is gps, the Global Public square. Welcome to all of you in the United States and around the world. Im Fareed Zakaria coming to you live from new york. Today on the program, the Israeli Security cabinet has just officially declared a state of war. After yesterday mornings stunning Surprise Attack by hamas. More than 500 israelis have died in the assault with thousands wounded. The death toll on the palestinian side has surpassed 300 as Isreal Retaliates against gaza. The idf said its goal is to control all of the gaza strip and kill all of the terrorists in our territory, unquote. Ill talk to former Israeli Foreign minister zippy liveny and mustafa and Naftali Bennett about what has happened so far and what comes next. Also, tom freedman, one time jerusalem times bureau chief will help us look at the big picture of todays middle east. Lets go straight so Cnn International diplomatic editor Nic Robertson who is on Theize Raely Side of the border with gaza near the Northeast Corner of the gaza strip. Hes in the town of sderot where the Police Station was liberated by by Israeli Forces in recent hours after having been taken over by hamas militants. Nic, Prime Minister netanyahu promised a mighty vengeance. Are you seeing that on the ground as they begin retaliation . Reporter i think were beginning to see the precursor of what it will take to begin to put in place the plans for a mighty vengeance. Getting control of the area that hamas militants took control of yesterday, this town, sderot, you see the Police Station are heavily damaged, there was an outbreak of gunfire around the corner a few minutes ago. There were intercepted of more rockets over our head out of israel. So securing the area around gaza, where there is still a high intensity operation to confront militants that left gaza yesterday, or today an have gone into israel territory, that has to be part of an important precursor, because you condition fully deploy battlefield troops, lots of tanks, lots of artillery, lots of Armored Personnel Carriers an bring in reservists for the type of response that Prime Minister netanyahu is talking about. And at the moment, we have seen a limited number of tanks, main battle tanks into the area along with a few howitzers, but that is not going to make amill incursion. The political decisions are being made. The military has taken control of of this territory which will open up for the big deployment that we expect if there is a ground incursion, fareed. The difference this time is that hamas has taken many hostages. And presumably theyre going to place those hostages strategically in places that israel might strike. Hamas headquarters and things like that. Has israel factors in this problem, which is that there wil will be risking the lives of Israeli Citizens if they were to strike any and all hamas targets. How are they thinking about this problem . Reporter yeah, about an hour or so ago, i interviewed a major in Israeli Defense forces communication department, one of the principal spokesperson, an i said what are you going to do, because he was telling us about the situation here. Were standing here and he said literally off these streets here people were rounded up by hamas and taken just a few miles across border into gaza. I said what are you going to do about this the hostages . And he like the other spokesperson wouldnt say how many there are, but he said what i could tell you is that we are not going to leave anyone behind. That is a very strong statement. It is elderly women, young women, children, men, Service Personnel taken. That is a very strong statement and undoubtedly everyone will calculate that hamas will use these hostages as Pressure Points on Prime Minister netanyahu. Theyre very likely make videos, theyll be the potential for more executions an the potential for threatening executions and the potential for real executions. All of which hamas will use strategically and carefully to maximize over time its pressure on the decisionmaking of the Israeli Government, a principally not not to stop the Israeli Defense forces being able to have a big incursion into gaza. I think that is what everyone is expecting. How it unfolds preceisely isnt clear. Israeli has been caught on the back foot in intelligence and hamas has a certain amount of initiative. Theyre going to see that, some of this, in the coming days. That is what were likely to see. Ni cia, for last few months, since Bibi Netanyahus government formed, we were all spending a lot of time talking about the constitutional reforms, the role of the court and such. What was going on with regard to israelipalestinian relations. What is the backdrop here . Reporter theyve been deteriorating. Theyve been deteriorating in part because there is a recognition on the palestinian side that there is a very strong nationalist, very right of center, very security driven israeli leadership. The leadership was focused principally on what was happening in the west bank, weve seen incursions into jeannine, to go after gunman there. That is bought the Israeli Defense sources a certain amount of success in those operations. Theyve captured and neutralized the personnel that they wanted to there. But at same time, a certain blind eye seemed to be turned on gaza. The fak that hamas wasnt supporting the militants in the west bank, was sort of taken that they dont want to confront israel at this time. Where what is emerging is that hamas was very clearly plotting and planning this massive significant groundbreaking operation and then internally Prime Minister netanyahu and his government have faced huge internal dissent from the changes that he wanted to make to the judiciary for example. That has brought hundreds of thousands of israelis out on the streets. So hes fought these political distractions. The pressure internationally not to have high palestinian casual in the west barnk, but it is making a deal involving the United States and saudi arabia to normalize relations. That is been for him his golden prize if you will. And it does seem if it has caused him, doesnt explain his Intelligence Services, but drops of the ball here, but it does appear to have caused him to divert some of his attention in this pressure situation. Nic, thank you as always. Next on gps, israel Foreign Minister zippy liveny when we come back. Yesterdays attacks on israel came 50 years plus one day after another set of Surprise Attacks. The ones that began the 1973 Yom Kippur War. We continue our coverage with tzipi livni, israels Foreign Minister and Justice Minister. She joins me from tel aviv. Welcome. Let me ask you to begin with the magnitude of this intelligence and security failure, because we are comparing it often to the Yom Kippur War but in some ways it strikes me as even greater. It was a war that was a failure to see what was happening in foreign capitols. This is gaza, this is a place that Israel Occupied for decades and a place that israel still has a tight blockade on, security controls on. What do you think happened . How was the idea of taken so much by surprise . Well it took us by surprise unfortunately but here there is time, there will be time for inquiries the day after. But i want to make another difference between the situation now and the Yom Kippur War. Because were speaking about a war and about hamas didnt wage war. In war you have some limitations, and rules and laws, what hamas did was massacre. In a dreadful manner against civilians, children, women, families. So when we are speaking about war between the state, the country and a Terrorist Organization, it is not just, you know, something really technical. This is what we are facing. That they are acing against civilians in a very cruel manner and this is what is happening in israel for the last two days. Do you think that the taking of the hostages will change the idea of calculation about how it could retaliate . Well, it is clear that this is an issue that very sensitive to everyone. We have also been told in the past and im sure that hamas has decided to do so. To get some initial immunity from israel retaliation, but this is the decisions that the Israeli Cabinet need to make. But i think that something important needs to be explains because people tend to take this as part of the israelpalest israelpalestinian conflict and it is not. The conflict is based on a National Conflict between two National Movements and it is hopefully solvable. But hamas in a way represents religious conflict that is not solvable. And i know that there are those saying that using violence even in a dreadful manner is the only way to achieve freedom or achievement to your people, but this is not the situation in gaza. Israel left gaza. We pulled out our forces, we dismantled the settlements, and in order to get legitimacy and to open gaza, and now there is noize noize no israeli there and the entire world including u. S. And russia and u. N. And e. U. , said that hamas could get legitimacy only if they stop renouncing violence and accept the agreement and abide to it and accept the right of israel to exist and theyre not willing to do so. So, it is important that we bear it in mind when people are speaking what about israel needs to do and for those of us believing in peace, hamas is an obstacle to peace. It is not just a tactical matter, it is a strategic matter. You pointed out something important which is this con flick is unlike the 73 one, not between the arab nations and israel. And as a former Foreign Minister you must be watching this carefully. What is your sense of the reaction of the arab countries who would certainly decades ago Something Like this would have happened, one assumed the arab countries would have cheered on, th there would have been demonstrations on the streets. Im struck by the fak that you do not have much of that. I wondered your thoughts on it . Yes, it is not a first time. We saw the division in our region in the last few years and even more that the vision is not between the other world and israel, but it is between the moderate in the region, the more pragmatics and the extremists. And the religious Islamist Groups and in lebanon, so it is different camps in the region. And for them, hamas, they represent this kind of religious ideology for them it is not winning something. Its something that could have an impact within their own countries. And therefore it is clear that hamas doesnt represent any arab cause and any palestinian cause. And speaking if i may also about the International Community, i think that it is time to understand that when this kind of Terrorist Organization has a political brand and a military branch, it is the same and we see it with hamas, with hezbollah in lebanon, the abuse of the political power, they are abusing the democratic rules to get more and more power and to use it against others and against israel or unite the region or even against their own citizens and that is what we see in gaza and lebanon and from International Community and the support coming from the International Community and the United States and President Biden is touching and important. But lets also speak about the future. I think that it is time to recognize what we are facing, what is the meaning of hamas and hezbollah, a Terrorist Organization that represents and some religion conflict and not to legitimatize their Political Branch in the future as well. Tzipi livni, thank you as always for your perspective on a day of tragedy for israel. Thank you. When we come back, well hear from a palestinian former view, from the former information from the authority, mustafa garboti. According to rl jazeera, the leader of hamas has said the group is on the verge of a great victory. After its incursion into israeli territory. Political leaderish mail has blamed it on the occupation of Palestinian Land. For another palestinian view point, i wanted to bring in dr. Mustafa barghouti, a former Information Minister for the Palestinian Government which is in control of the parts of the west bank but does not control gaza. Welcome, minister. I again want to make sure that viewer viewers understand that they have been opponent of hamas so you are not affiliated with hamas. You represent the Palestinian Authority which has control over parts of the west bank. All of that said, what is your reaction to what you have seen so far . Well, first of all, im not part of the Palestinian Authority as a matter of fact i represent a democratic Palestinian Movement called Palestinian National initiative which is not hamas. And we have of course im not affiliated with hamas. But i think this situation that has evolved is a direct result of the continuation of the longest occupation in modern history. Israeli occupation of Palestinian Land since 1967, this is 156 years of occupation. That has transformed into a system of appetite. A much worse appetite that in south africa. Yes, maybe hamas did not recognize israel, but the Palestinian Authority did. What they did get . Nothing. Since 2013, the Israeli Government will not even meet with palestinians and what you see today is reaction to several things. First of all, settler Terrorist Attacks on the west bank that has rev has evicted many and settlers in the west Bank Including 40 children. Attacks on the holy sites, the muslim and christian holy sites as well as the declaration of netanyahu that he will liquidate the normalization of our countries and he dared even to go to the United Nations and carried into the United Nations a map of israel which includes the whole of the west bank, all of gaza, all of jerusalem, as well as the golan heights. He declared annexation of the occupied territories. So palestinians turn to resistance because they see this is the only way for them to get their rights. The question here is not about dehumanizing palestinians as it happening and calling them terrorists, it is about asking the question, why the United States supports ukraine, in fighting what they call occupation, while here they are supporting the occupier, who continues to occupy us. But let me ask you if that is the analogy you wish to draw, what hamas is doing, is they are targeting israeli civilians, women, children, grandmothers. No, they are not. Is that is that not a classic terrorist isnt that classic terrorists. Theyre not fighting the government. Theyre fighting ordinary people. That is one way of putting it. But it is not true. Think hamas mainly attacked military establishments, Military Installations and most of the people there, they have arrested and taken as as military people. I did not accept attacking any civilian. I dont know accept that they are attacking civilians. But look at what the planes are doing in gaza. They are bombarding housing and bringing Down To Earth and youve shown on on your screen, whole apartments, whole buildings, highrise buildings are brought down to the ground and we already are reporting receiving reports of families that are killed. Nine people in one family, ten people in another family including children. I do not want any civilian to be hurt. Neither by palestinians or by israel, but the question is how to end that. Will it end by attacking gaza strip another time . Israel has already conducted five wars on gaza. One of them lasted 51 days. They destroyed everything. This did not stop hamas, did not stop resistance. There is one way to stop any violence, and that is to end ththe Israeli Occupation and to be fair, the United States could not say that israel has the right to defend itself but we dont have the right to defend ourselves. Let me remind you of the case of who was not only palestinian b