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Demonstrations or violent actions against u. S. Citizens is and interests, the department of state advises u. S. Citizens overseas to exercise increased caution. The u. S. Finds itself in the cross hairs of an international blacklash against israels retaliation against hamas, despite the fact that hamas slaughtered more than 1400 people. This morning in london, thousands are participating in this propalestinian demonstration urged opt by hamas leaders. This follows similar demonstrations friday in which angry protesters took to the streets around the world burning flags and portraits of President Biden, even an effigy of Prime Minister benjamin netanyahu. They assembled outside many u. S. Embassies, including those in indonesia and mahmoud lay ya, also on the streets of cairo, paes aris and islamabad. Meanwhile, the Rafah Crossing Into Egypt was briefly opened this morning to allow the first convoy of aid trucks to enter the gaza strip. For the latest, im joined by cnns Clarissa Ward in cairo. Clarissa, when all was said and done, what was actually on those trucks and what is needed, but whe was not provided . Reporter so michael, on those 20 trucks, you basically had food, water, medicine, all those things desperately needed, but one thing that wasnt on those trucks was fuel. Israelis have had serious reservations about allowing fuel to go in. They are worried it could be diverted by hamas, butt u. N. Is concerned that Fuel Supplies are now down to maybe two or three days, and that fuel is so desperately needed to power generators, which are the only things that are allowing these h hospitals to continue to function, to the extent they are able to function. Also important to note, 20 trucks is nothing in The Grand Scheme of things. Before this latest spasm of violence, you would have 450 trucks a day according to the u. N. Of aid going into gaza. Knew you have had two weeks, releaptless bombardment, no aid, mass displacement, humanitarian disaster, so 20 trucks could maybe meet the needs of 30,000 people. And reach about 900,000. Thats why youre hearing full throated calls from the u. N. , other humanitarian organizations say ing this needs to be a sustained, continuous humanitarian corridor and knot one off. Big picture, among the reasons for rafah being such a choke point is at this stage, its the only perimeter of gaza not sealed by israel. True . Reporter thats right. The Border Crossing is controlled by the egyptian side. The egyptians have said they also dont want to have a massive outpouring of potentially hundreds of thousands of palestinians into the pest nins la. Egypt has been fighting an insurgency for many years. Egypt already has huge social problems, poverty, so you have heard egypts president say, listen, the answer to this is not us taking a million refugees that we simple cant care for. The answer to this is agreeing upon a sustained continuous humanitarian corridor, establishing humanitarian zones inside of sosh gaza. We heard secretary of state Antony Blinken talk about that too. But the issue is getting all sides to come together and agree on the conditions that would allow for that. In the meantime, it sounds like a cliche, but it could not be more true. Every day, every hour is so crucial for the people inside of gaza, who are the not only face ing relentless bombardment, but what the u. N. Is calling an unprecedented humanitarian catastrophe that is unfolding. Thank you so much. Now today at that summit for peace in kentucky row, Jordans King Abdullah called for an immediate end to the war on gaza and a lasting resolution on the twostate solution. Joining me now is nad aba sheer, who is in ayman. Ayman has been one of the many scenes of an antiwest protest. It occurs to me that we are two weeks removed from the hamas attack on israel. Israel was the subject of such cruelty seems to have earned it no sympathy with any of those propalestinian protesters. Why . I think its an unfair way to characterize what were seeing. When we speak to protesters on the ground, the vast majority tell us this is not about hamas. This is not about expressing any indichbs to the attacks gen civilians. For the vast majority of the people we have been speaking to here in jordan, people we have been speaking to cross the region, this is about an kcon issue that began long before october th. These are demonstrating against israels airstrikes on the gaza strip, which have had a devastating humanitarian toll, a devastating human toll. That death toll rising by the day, by the hour. And for many here, this is a call for an end to the siege on gaza, an end to the blockade. For many, this began long before october 7th. This is about more than just what were seeing happening now in gaza. This is about the violence were seeing in the west bank. This is about the expansion of settlements, which are considered by many in the International Community to be illegal under international law. This is a crisis, an issue, a cause that is central to many merehere in jordan when more th half of the population that is felt and reflected across the middle east. Now you mentioned the king of Jordan Cob Demg the violence. Something he said today really characterizes and captures what many people across the middle east are feeling. Let me you what he had to say. The Bombing Campaign in gaza, as we speak, is cruel and unconable on every level. Its a flag rant violation. It is a war crime. Anywhere else attacking civilian infrastructure and starving an entire population of food, water, electricity and basic necessities would be condemned. This is the message from the king of jordan. This is the message we have been hearing across the middle east. This is the rallying cry we have been hearing from protesters here. As you well know, this is the message we have been hearing from sbshl rights groups, aid groups on the ground who are trying to alleviate what was ab unfolding humanitarian its a if i in the gaza strip. Sglu certainly understand that. My point was to say that notwithstanding the history and complexity of the issue to see Tens Of Thousands of people rallying, as they are, just does not seem to recognize the suffering that only two weeks ago the israelis endured. Reporter again, i dont think this is an expression of indeference. Thats not the message we have been hearing. The focus of these protests is on the humanitarian catastrophe happening in gaza. The focus when you speak to people on the ground here across the middle east is about what we are seeing happening in gaza. Gaza has been under a blockade since 2007. People cannot leave. We heard the evacuation order. Airstrikes have continue d. And as we heard from many on the ground, including medical staff we have spoken to on the ground, they are able to evacuate most of the majority of those living in the north or at least some of those living in the north. Were talking about the elderly, children, some in hospital who said they cannot leave, are doctors have told us they refuse to evacuate because they cannot evacuate hundreds of patients. They will remain in place in Northern Gaza to provide care for them. This is a humanitarian ka sfast ty. This is a densely populated area. S its about twice the size of washington, d. C. Hugely crowned with civilians. When we see the airstrikes happening, we know its targeted hamas positions, hamas targets, with put these civilian death toll thats rising is in some ways, inevitable. Because of how densely populated this area is. Thank you. Ng nga thank you for that report. How can israel and america hope to fight back against the terrorists without International Condemnation . Before israel has even launched its Ground Invasion, is it facing a daunting Public Relations battle made worse by widespread online misinformation about the israel and Hamas Conflict . Joining me is a spokesperson for the u. S. State department under secretary mike pompeo, where she was responsible for messaging on Foreign Policy actions to foreign influence campaigns. Morgan, how can the u. S. Reduce this global temperature . Its certainly a david and goliath battle. You have hamas use ing online Social Media Platforms and telegram to get their message out. Israel is taking a different approach. They know that they are not going to be able to convince most of arab street, thats almost somewhat impossible. Think really focus their efforts since october 7th on twitter. Thats where you find journalists, a lot of Government Officials in the west, which makes sense where their audience is. Michael, the only thing they can do really is to look at this from a Rapid Response communications perspective. So what does that mean . That means that israel and the United States have to be immediately transparent whenever theres some sort of action and making sure they are doing that via social media. Via online briefings to journalists, israel is starting to but should continue to up the amount of briefings they are giving to International Media so they can get their story out. They are always going to face things like what we saw with the hospital attack. Which was trusted Western Media sources believed hamas, including the United Nations, including members of congress. They irresponsiblien went out with the condemnations from hamas without having the facts on the ground. So thats going to be iz relates challenge. If you have trusted Western Media outlets, if you have the United Nations, if you have members of the American Congress promoting disinformation before the facts are out, then what happened. That got the arab street riled up. That got people protesting at israeli and u. S. Cities. If i can make this point, if it this is the climate today just two weeks removed, imagine the global picture if the Ground Incursion is to come. I want to put something on the screen, and ill read it aloud. Tom freedman, a most provocative, mustread column, i pulled just one paragraph out. He said this, if people cannot talk openly and honestly about a misfired rocket, imagine what will happen when the first major israeli invasion of gaza begins in our wired world, linked by Social Networks and polluted with misinformation, amplified by artificial intelligence. By the way, to be fair to tom, he issed a is vo indicating that an incursion in gaza be paired with sort of an allegiance made by israel to a twostate solution. Thats the thesis of his piece. On the point he just made, whats your thought . Tom is right. He had a column a few months ago about what the Biden Administration should do, and they were actively pursuing the peace initiative. And freedman pointed out in that column just how successful hamas and other groups have been at getting young people riled up through telegram, through digital games, through online games, and also through tiktok and other measures. Its not an insurmountable challenge. We understand the challenge. Dont forget around 2015, isis was producing incredibly slick videos on social media. They were advertising the caliphate, what a wonderful thing it was to come to the caliphate. They were convincing Young Women In Britain and in the west to be isis brides through their propaganda. So this is not something thats new. This is something we have dealt with. If you go back to the arab spring, if you go back to egypt and to tunisia, most of the arab spring started via twitter. So we have a good 12 years here of having dealt with the arab spring, been dealing with isis propaganda and what youre seeing today from hamas. Thank you, morgan. Thank you very much. Appreciate your expertise. Thank you, michael. What are your thoughts . Hit me up on social media ill read some of your spobss. I think theres no good information during wartime. Each side always promotes information allow ing their audience to infer their action is right. Alice, i get your point. But i also think in certain circumstances the facts dont matter. Relative to the strike on the gaza hospital, initially, it seemed that hamas was able to make great pr value of that, notwithstanding, that israel released intelligence. Today theres a pretty good Associated Press analysis, all saying the same thing this the rocket didnt come from israel. The Tens Of Thousands of people coming out in protest around the globe seem undeterred by that evident area presentation. Now for todays Poll Question. Heres what im asking. Should israel initiate a Ground Action in gaza . Interestingly, and coincidentally, a reporter asked President Biden a similar question last night as he was boarding air force one. Heres what happened. You heard him say yes, the white house sought to clarify climing the president misheard the question. An official told cnn that the president asked some hard questions about what was being planned and what the effects would be adding were not directing the israelis. The timeline is theirs, their thinking, their planning. Now i want to know what you think. Go to smerconish. Com and answer todays question. Should israel initiate a Ground Action in gaza . Up ahead, were two weeks into the israelhamas war. Whats the ultimate end game and the objective and the plan for gaza . Im going to get some answers next from a Military Expert and hamas released two american hostages on friday, but an estimated 200 remain. The israeli president said his soldiers found a copy of an Instruction Manual about hostage take ing. So what does it say and did they adhere to that plan on october 7th . The journalist is csing up. The president ial hopefuls have been trying to one up one another about who supports izs real more. When and why did this issue become sufficient a key litmus test and what might it mean for the 2024 election . Were two weeks into the israel war. I have a number of very basic questions. David deptula joins me now. He was the air forces first principle Attack Planner for operation desert storms air campaign. Hes now the dean of the Mitchell Institute for aerospace studies. Thank you for coming back. Question number one, is any Ground Action by israel conditioned upon whether the hospitaltages are released . I havent heard expressed linkage of the two. Michael, that may factor into the timeline of Ground Sb Operations in what form that might take, but most likely will not be the overarching driver. Remember, the Israeli Defense forces are already conducting Ground Operations in gaza. Its just not at the scale thats ultimately expected. If we get to the level thats expected, what is the mission . Define the mission for me. Im really not the one that determines what that mission is, the Israeli Defense minister is. Hes identified three main elements. First, the destruction of the h Mass Organization by leliminatig their military and governance infrastructure. Second, stabilizing the system in gaza, and finally, implement ing a completely different security regime, perhaps by handing it off to the arab countries willing to step in to govern the gaza strip. Question three and pardon my naivety, is the expectation that hamas will remain behind and seek to be martyrs, almost as if they ware being drawn into a fight in the corral . Why wouldnt hamas flee to the south with Everybody Else . Its an interesting question, and its difficult to answer it unless youre posing it directly to hamas. Why did they do what they did on october 7th . But the short answer to your question is, unless egypt lets them out, which i seriously doubt, they are going to remain in gaza. Is there going to be an exodus, now its from north to south, israel presumably has a Ground Incursion into the north, tries to dismantle hamas, now what . Do we repeat this drill in the south . Does everybody have to then come north so a similar operation can be carried out there . Once again, i think egypt plays a key factor here. They seem to be giving a sort of free out card by saying, well, were kshed because its difficult for us to handle a bunch of refugees. Then wheres the United Nations . Wheres the concern for the palestinian population . So its an interesting question, but the arab nations in the region starting with egypt are the ones this have a potential solution here. But make no mistake, israel is committed to the elimination of hamas and rightfully so. Unfortunely, civilian casualties, unintention al, wil be a consequence of these operations. General, how do we know when its over . When what is over, i dont mean to be difficult, but their military operations, the gove governance in gaza, the Palestinian Settlement issue, what youre get ting at is military operations, and my answer to that question would be when the leadership declares the elimination of hamas, its an effective military organization. Quick final question. Thank you for playing along with me. If half the country is comprised of youth, how do we prevent a

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