On the border with the state of israel wanted us to live on the border. Wanted him to live on the border and now they should pay back for all these, its like what i said, just need to bring him back and bring everybody back. Im sorry for what youre going through and your family is going through. I hope they all come home soon. Thankou. Cnns coverage in israel continues. The source with Kaitlin Collins starts right now. Good evening. Im Kaitlin Collins. Welcome to the source. A live update on the latest on the ground in israel with Anderson Cooper in just a moment. I want to start with some ominous Breaking News for donald trump. Im not even talking about how a third former lawyer of his just took a plea deal in State Of Georgia earlier today. Which jenna ellis did do in a courtroom through tears. More on that in a second. But according to a new report tonight, Special Counsel jack smith has secured his most valuable witness yet in federal election Interference Case against the former president , his final cheech of staff mark meadows. Abc news is reporting tonight that meadows has been granted immunity and has met with smiths team at least three times this year alone including once before a Federal Grand Jury while he had that immunity. According to abc, meadows allegedly told investigators that he did not believe the election was stolen and that trump was, quote, being dishonest when he claimed victory after the polls closed in november of 2020. For more on this Breaking News and what could it mean, i want to bring the New York TimesPolitical CorrespondentMaggie Haberman and ellie honig. Cnn hasnt confirmed this reporting yet. If this is the case, if mark meadows did get this level of immunity and hes there testifying, how devastating is that for donald trump sf. Based on the details in the abc neews story, they show Mark Meadows Disvowing his own book. Under oath. I dont know what it means, because i dont totally understand the description of the type of conditions he was testifying under. I dont know whether immunity is being used or whether theres something more tailored. I dont know. I assume that will become clear as time goes on. Ellie, what does that mean what would be the difference between a proper agreement . A lot of different flavors of cooperation. Three different levels. The most informal, a proffer agreement, a witness comes in, offer these items and we want to hear what you say. Its the feeling out stage. The next level up is immunity, formal immunity, okay, we prosecutors are interested in what you have to say, we think its truthful and important. Youve taken the fifth. We say as prosecutors well go to a court order giving you immunity. Meaning that youll testify fully and we wont use your testimony against you and for all practical purposes we wont prosecute you and then the top level is if you think the person has participated in a crime and has to be charged accordingly then you enter into what we know a full cooperation agreement. Youll plead guilty. To what we charged with you and well enter into an agreement that youll give full testimony at the end of that. Prosecutors will write a letter to your lawyers. If that was second tier, i mean, there was a court order, what would that mean for what hes telling them in a Federal Grand Jury . Prosecutors dont hand out Immunity Deals like candy. What youre saying as a prosecutor well give you a free pass here, essentially, two things, one, we believe this testimony, we think its correct, true and credible. And two, we need it. You have to do internal paperwork at doj, we have this witness, hes taken the fifth, heres why its worth givie ing a pass. Something that jack smith approves or Merrick Garland . Jack smith as Special Counsel is giving enough independence that he can make that approval himself. Were hearing from a trump spokesperson tonight. They say, wrongful, unethical leaks underscore how detrimental this is to democracy. Mark meadows was doing something with prosecutors because his name wasnt on that indictment that came out in washington. Correct, very little of mark meadows actually in that indictment carefully identifiably himself. He was dealing with jack smiths team. I dont want to say cooperating. But dealing with georgia, which he clearly turned his back on and where he was charged. The fact that he was charged in georgia. But this raises for me anyway some questions about how much immunity he would be given because hes already a problematic witness in a lot lot of ways. He wrote a whole book that he testified much the opposite to, right, he gave a bunch of other public statements, theres a lot of things that a Defense Lawyer could use to try to poke holes at him. I glad you brought the book up. What abc is reporting tonight is one of the quotes that mark meadows told to jack smiths team, obviously we didnt win, is what he told them. And the election that was stolen, rigged from the liberal media, also in the book the people who rigged this election knew eventually these irre irregularities would come to light and attacked anyone dare ask questions. If youre jack smith, if youre a grand jury, testifying now, his book that came out of election. Im having flashback to my prosecution years. The reality is in Perfect World someone like mark meadows would come clean right off the bat and wouldnt have lied to the public for three years but the reality is sometimes you have to take your coop ray or thes as they come. If theyre going to be on the inside of a crime they did something bad usually and the question is, do you believe that person has fully come clean and two, can you put this person in front of the jury . He zmr were kind of getting into the weeds of this. Obviously the three of us have followed this closely. If youre sitting at home and trying with a white board good luck with that. But what do you why does this matter . Why is this bad for trump if this accurate . The doj believes they can use mark meadows testimony. He was right hand of donald trump. Yes, mark meadows is also somebody who to the point of what, you know the things he said at various points, we talked about this before on air, mark meadows is somebody whos known for saying Different Things to different audiences, he was known as trying to please whoever he was talking to and this was the first example we have seen in detail look, he testified in georgia for several hours. So theres examples there that are under oath or at least but this feels a little different in terms of the specifics of what he said. Abc saying bluntly, this wasnt stolen, he supposedly told trump they werent proving this and he had questions about it. I think people like bill barr and all the people there would have a lot of questions. And so i think were going to hear more, right, about what he may or may not have said. Mark meadows was at the center at so much of this. He was talking to so many people. So, in the context of all of this, this report came out tonight, also this morning, something happened very quickly to where only one cnn reporter was in the courtroom because it came together so quickly in georgia, jenna ellis, she accepted a plea deal. She pleaded guilty today in the State Of Georgia in that election of Interference Case, i want remind our viewers who jenna ellis is, what she used to said previously and what she said in court today. An elite Strike Force Team thats working on behalf of the president and the campaign to make sure that our constitution is protected. President trumps right that there was widespread fraud. We have this overwhelming evidence of fraud. This election was fraudulent and corrupt zbld all of these false and fraudulent. I endeavor to represent my client. To provide me with true and reliable information. If i knew then what i know now i would have declined to represent donald trump in these postelection challenges. Maggie, as someone who read her tweets, its kind of stunning to hear the tears today. Deep regret, a different thing than remorse. But yes, what she was saying for a very long time was that, you know, donald trump was in the right and she was going to be right. She was one of the biggest proponents around this. She was traveling with Rudy Giuliani to these hearings. Two other attorneys in georgia, shes the one who actually really had the most contact with trump and she had the most contact with giuliani, shes actually in a very different position than they are. How bad is this for donald trump . Maggie hit on the main point. I want to know as prosecutor, what was her dealings with donald trump . Its notable to see her, she was so aggressive in pushing the Election Fraud lie. You can see the contrast in that clip and its notable that shes saying its b. S. And she knows it. Prosecutors may soon that. Ellie and maggie, lot of developments tonight. Thank you both. Up next, were going to go back live to the ground in israel. Anderson cooper is there. Disturbing new audio played out loud today at the u. N. A hamas Fighter Bragging to his parents about killing jews in israel. Tonight cnn has obtained disturbing audio and im not even sure disturbing goes far enough to describe what it is youre about to hear. Its of a hamas terrorist they say two called his parents to brag about how many jews he killed during that october 7th attack on israel. The terrorist in audio claims to be calling from a phone of a woman he murdered. I should note cnn cant confirm the audio, part of this push by israeli officials to remind the world of the heinous acts that happened that day. Anderson cooper joins me now live in tel aviv, anderson, obviously weve spoken to israeli officials what theyre trying to do by playing that audio out is to remind people of atrocities. The push theyre making as people are waiting to see what israel is going to do with the Ground Invasion, and kind of making their argument for what happens next. Reporter i mean, look, its been just 17 days since the slaughter took place here and i think theres many people here in israel who feel that much of the worlds moved on or no longer wants to hear the stories or and its just now that we are really learning the full and not even the full were just starting to learn the details of what happened on october 7th. And those details like that audio, are just sickening and something its something new. I mean, some of the things that we saw here, it wasnt just the personal brutality looking people in the eyes as they were slaughtered. It was the desire to videotape it with your iphone and to call your parents about it and brag about it to your parents and when a 75yearold woman in nir oz was shot in her living room the gunman gained access to her facebook account and they live streamed an image of her laying on the ground in pool of blood and her family and friends got that facebook alert to logon and look at it and thats how members of her family that kind of personal terror is something that is something new and were seeing just the documentation, the desire for killers to document on a large scale what they were doing to use that for propaganda purposes, to show off to their friends, its this stuff is just now coming to light. And i mean, what im struck with that is its everywhere. So many of these parents of children, their family members, their relatives who are still being held hostage theyre having to look at a lot of these videos that hamas is posting on telegram channels, looking for any shred of information about their loved ones and having to see all of this. I mean, this is you know, there was such a lack of information early on and chaos and confusion here there wasnt information from the idf the idf was trying to hunt terrorists who were still roaming around along the border and families still are looking through ji jihadist videos online and looking through these videos online just for a glimpse, some word of their loved one and it is, you know, an dignitindignit top of an indignity. Families of over 200 hostages still desperate for information. The families and they supporters with outside the United Nations including the family of a 23yearold american, theyre demanding answers about his condition, his whereabouts after he was attacked and kidnapped by hamas at the site of that nova Music Festival on october 7th. In attack his left hand, part of his arm were severed from his body. His parents Rachel Goldberg and paul are here with me in studio. Rachel, something that you said today that struck me, you still have no answers. Right, right. How do you deal with that on a daily basis . Well, ive said this many times. We live in a Parallel Universe from when this started to happen, were like in this other dimension than people who havent had this kind of trauma happen. We talk to other families with children who are missing or other loved ones who are missing who feel exactly the same. For us we try very hard every day to work and work to try and figure out other ways to find out information, to help push the cause of how do we get all of these hostages home. We stay very busy whats the latest youve heard from the u. S. Government the Israeli Government, has anyone given any kind of update or a glimmer of hope from these talks that are happening behind the scenes . No, got no information. No updates. And no specific reasons to have a glimmer of hope other than what we hold on. Thats driven on by focus on the mission, not based on anything weve heard or learned. I know one thing that is kind of youve been piecing this information together yourself, you have team at your home in jerusalem on trying to figure out more, something you learned from a woman whos in the shelter with your son, as hamas was attacking it, Throwing Grenades into it that a man came in and did something really remarkable. It the ally made me feel like this whisper of positivity, because she explained that when all the kids from the Music Festival went running into this bomb shelter, there was a man who worked at the kibbutz across the street who also ran in for shelter and as hamas was getting closer he said to the kids, everybody be quiet im going to go outside and talk to them and he went outside and in arabic he explained im a muslim, everybody in there is muslim, its my family. You dont have to go check. Trying to save them, because he knew, you know, bad things would be happening to them. And he could have just gone out and in arabic say im a muslim, yeah, okay, great, they would have left him be. Instead because he was trying to protect these 29 kidssmushed in there, they beat them brutally. Thats when the whole attack began. Just that he had the courage to do the right thing, and in a scary situation, to be really human in a place and in a moment where the whole world was upsidedown. It really just made me feel hope that theres still goodness in the world. When were so bifurcated and its us versus them. Its not. When you look at the video that anderson showed you of your son i know that was a remarkable moment for you to be able to see him. Hes gravely wounded, though, and its tough to even see that video, when you know what kind of condition he is at least medically, he needs real attention and when you see whats happening with these talks, hamas wants more fuel and a ceasefire to let more hostages out, do you think a ceasefire would be helpful at this point . Look, our main interest is bring home our son, we understand theres also a national interest, although to be honest through both of those lenses i think we should be buying time and so youd like more time . Id like more time. I think all the Hostage Families feel that way. Anyone that ive spoken to, its hard to say no, go ahead, go in, this Vulnerable Group of 200 whatevers left, 218 people, let them feel more vulnerable. Counterintuitive if youre one of the relatives of those loved ones. Well see, well see what happens. Do you fear that if israel does forward with this Ground Invasion that makes the release of your son just by practical terms of how ugly do you think it makes his release less likely . I mean to be honest with you, i tonight think theres a rational playbook here. So i dont know what the intentions are long term, short term. War, ceasefire. I dont know you know the psyche of the people in charge in hamas who are deciding the fate of these 216 or 218, the number keeps changing. Theyve released four people. Then the number went up again. Its just a big unknown. It seems from testimonies from the four who have been released a little bit that theyre spread out the hostages, theyre separated, many of them at least are apparently deep, deep underground in hidden tunnels. Its chaos already. As things escalate, that chaos is not going to be diminished. Lot of people watching right now who are sitting at home wondering how you have the strength to come on and speak in an interview, go to the United Nations, get out of bed, what would you say to them . I really think honestly we get a lot of very encouraging whatsapps and emails. I honestly think i dont any parent who wouldnt do what were doing to save their kid. I just dont. I dont think what were doing is unusual. For this situation. I just think this situation is really unusual. So people arent put in this situation. But theres no parent whos not going to run to the end of the earth to save their kid. I think that ive said theres no partial success here, its not like we can be 50 successful or 98 successful, either we bring hersh home alive or we dont. When its that black or white theres no choice but to run 21, 22 hours a day, hop on planes, hop off planes to try to accomplish that mission. Yeah, were all hoping that youll be reunited with him soon. Tha