You numb thats right. His thunder loves soda again the whole story with Anderson Cooper sunday getty on cnn tonight, too big and important headlines out of michigan joe biden and donald trump win. But the numbers hint that they are both well wounded away they can cost them the presidency. Welcome to cnn special coverage. Im laura coats and Washington Dc and im abby phillip in new york, the 2024 president ial matchup looks more and more locked in tonight. Donald trump winning michigans republican primary, and joe biden winning michigans Democratic Primary. But both are showing real weaknesses with voters that they will need come november for joe biden, are voters just mad about his handling of the war in gaza or are they mad enough to stay home when it matters most well for donald trump, you can ask the very same question, abby, will republicans coalesce around his campaign . In november . Or will the third of the party who keep voting for someone not named donald trump to affect to the incumbent abby, lets go straight to harry enten at the magic wall for the latest from michigan. So harry, what are we seeing so far where are we are in this process . About 41 in right now as we hit a level mcleod, yeah, a little bit of a slow count here, but look, donald trump way up on nikki haley, 67 , nikki haleys 28 . You can see the map here. Its all donald trump red. Of course there are some areas where donald trump is struggling a bit more. Lets go all the way down. Lets see if i can hit it. There we go. This is where ann arbor, the university the of michigan is well educated area. You can see here a much closer race, 52 of the vote to 43 of vote, about 86 of the vote in. But look how few votes there are, relatively speaking, only about 23,000. And if you were to zoom out, lets say well go well go up to the northern peninsula, right . Lets go up here. Lets go up here to Chippewa County look at this. You see a much wider margin, 78 , 18 . We can go over here to mackinac county, again, 73 to 22 . So a very clear win for donald trump and harry. I mean, i want to just underscore what you just said there. What you were just showing was sort of excerpt county. This is a part of michigan. The suburbs detroit suburbs of lansing, suburbs of grand rapids. Suburban voters. Thats where hes going to struggle the most. And thats exactly right. Why dont we go to kent county, right . Gerald ford, kent county, again, 26 of the vote and donald trump, again doing more poorly there with 56 of vote to nikki haleys 36 of one other thing i just want to point on the Rub Public Inside Abby is, you know, weve had a bunch of contests so far, you know, a michigan right now, were seeing trump doing very, very well. Hes doing better there than he did in South Carolina. And hes doing better there then certainly he did in New Hampshire where you only got 54 of the vote. So this is Donald Trumps best night of the campaign so far with nikki haley, also on the ballot in a state and harry, what about the democrats . Whats happening on the democratic side . Weve been looking very closely at this uncommitted vote. Where is this number headed . Yeah, 41,000 at this 0. 41014 , i will note that barack obama, when he was back on the ballot in 2012, He Uncommitted in the michigan primary it was 11 . So this is doing slightly better than that. But not overwhelmingly better. Lets go back down here. Lets go back down to ann arbor, right . This is a place where with 53 of the vote uncommitted, its doing significantly better. 21 of the vote. And you go back to 2020. This was a place where joe biden really struggled. Bernie sanders got 45 of the vote, and that primary despite the fact that he only got 36 of the vote statewide. So the fact that its doing better in those welleducated, liberal areas, but its not necessarily doing significantly better outside. And you know, you go to, lets say, again, the northern part of the state, what do we see here . We see 14 for uncommitted and less liberal area. We see it again, a Peter Iron County 11 . So its really doing basically the same across the state. Were not seeing that Big Uncommitted vote as you might expect, if liberals were really upset about gaza, this just seems to be light and 43,000 is more than tHe Uncommitted candidates or campaigns said that they would get democratic source. I talked to you tonight, said it could be well over 100,000 that would be enough to send a message to joe biden in a state that he won by 150,020, 20. He didnt he want it by less than three percentage points, but again, i will point out joe biden getting 80 of the vote, while if you look on the republican side, Donald Trumps getting just set 67 vote so as that intro sort of hinted at both candidates have their own weaknesses. Absolutely. I mean, this is a pretty big chunk of the republican electorate right now, sending a message to donald trump, harry enten. Thank you very much, laura thank you. I want to bring in the Campaign Manager now of the movement behind tonights uncommitted vote. Listen to michigan layla elabed, who is also michigan congresswoman rashida tlaib, sister. Im so glad that you are here with us to night. First of all, i wonder what your reaction to tonights turnout is. And did you you send the message that you were hoping to send to President Biden i mean, we are just overwhelmed by the fact that we were able to triple our margin of victory of the original 10,000 votes that we were hoping to leverage to send a clear theyre in strong message to president joe biden, his administration, and the Democratic Party that we needed a permanent ceasefire now to save as many palestinian lives as possible in a leyla President Biden, as you know, in recent days, he said that israels response in gaza has been quoting him over the top. He said just yesterday that hes hoping for a ceasefire by the end of this weekend what more do you need to hear from him specifically to go from Uncommitted To committed to voting for him or is the concern that all of this is lip service or an Election Year yeah. We need more than just nice words and hope. We need a permanent ceasefire right now. At different times with the new york times, you had mentioned this and you said the very bare minimum that biden needs to do to get the vote is to completely overhaul americas relationship with israel. Demand a permanent end to hostilities and end American Military aid to Israel Police as long as its war in gaza drags on. Do you think that he would likely try to meet those expectations or are there some concessions electorally that you would see . I think if joe biden wants to avoid a nail alienating his core base and his core constituency. He will listen to tHe Uncommitted vote now and realize that he is going to be at risk. Come november for handing essentially handing the white house over to trump. And hes going to be to be accountable to that . We went today, we voted michiganders use their ballot box as a humanitarian vote, as a protest vote to demand that our government and our president call for an immediate and permanent ceasefire, an end the military funding of our american taxpayer dollars commit a genocide in 2024 helped me follow this thread in terms of what would be the next frontier lets assume that he does not meet the expectations as youve laid out or what youve just described does that mean that the supporters of your particular uncommitted movement is going to either going to stay home, will they vote for donald trump . Well what i can say is this is that tHe Uncommitted voters are not going to be voting in a monolith they are going to have to vote their conscience there are going to be groups, voters within this movement that already feel deeply betrayed by biden and his administration for the fact that Muslim Americans and every americans have been directly affected by israels aggression and collective punishment of palestinians and not only that, as democrats, we feel betrayed. Because why are we risking our democracy to align ourselves with someone Like Netanyahu . It has rightwing government the idea and you are correct to describe the absence of a monolith when youre talking about any voting bloc that people often will look to it. Ill be curious to see what ultimately it will be the decision of those voters voting their conscience, voting what they want. I want to mention that President Biden just released a statement thanking michigan but did not mention tHe Uncommitted whats your response i think that that is negligent on behalf of the president to once again, alienate the voices of his core constituency, largely who put him in support, who put him in the white house in 2020. Because this community largely supported biden based on the promises that he made during his campaign trail. And we know that trump is not a friend to our community and we know that he is not a friend to the antiwar protests hes fire community. But right now, we are appealing to joe biden as our president to act now. Before he risks losing his core constituency come november. But i want to focus on that. What does that mean to lose the core constituencies that mean that although you just said that because its you and see knows that donald trump is not a friend that causes that you describe. Does that mean that the couch is now the Third Party Candidate that means that we are we need to save as many palestinian israeli lives as possible and that we, this is a humanitarian vote. This is beyond politics. We, within the Ceasefire Movement, and we use our ballot box as a protest vote in order to save as many lives as possible. And to end this unchecked and unconditional funding that the United States provided provides to israel to commit genocide using american taxpayer dollars the signal and the message thats being sent to President Biden. I do wonder if knowing that he has not mentioned the constituency of uncommitted, whether the message has been received but what about donald trump, who obviously is also looking at this, wondering if this will inert to his benefit at this point in time although the policy is adopted all trump, but he has professed and articulated, are those an improvement to what the Biden Administration is doing now like i said, i cant answer to every voter who voted Uncommitted Today. But what i can say is we use the primary as a way to tell joe biden his administration what we needed right now. Were not focused right now. Whats going to happen in november, but what we do know is that voters are going to vote their conscience. And i dont know if voters will be able to pull their support behind a president that is complicit in genocide. As far as trump, i really, you know, i cant answer to every uncommitted voter, but i do know is that we dont expect our voters in michigan to stay at home we do expect and we encourage our, our voters to come out and vote. And there are plenty important races that are going to be taking place in november, besides the president ial election. Very true. Thank you so much. Clearly, the Voter Turnout has been there and a message has been sent. What will come next . Thank you so much, layla elabed, Abby Fascinating interview, laura, thank you. Lets turn to the panel here in new york. Weve got republican strategist alice stewart, former white house senior policy adviser, ashley allison, former senior White House Communications aide, Jamal Simmons and National Political reporter for the new york times, astead herndon. Ashley message sent perhaps message received because it seems like tonight that the story that you just heard theyre being told from the Ceasefire Campaign is being told over and over again. That is the conversation theyve wanted one i think its great that people are engaging in this primary and in this democracy. I think the most important thing is you go out and vote in a primary. You care about whats happening in this country and that in a whole is a good thing. I think that the Biden Campaign will need to assess, but its not just the campaign and sit administration because theyre the ones actually dictating the policy here. I think that they should really consider coming out. Now, biden said a couple days ago that he thinks is his buyer could come towards the end of the week if that doesnt happen, they might want to consider coming out in full force and actually saying it is time for a ceasefire. And that is not just saying it is time for a ceasefire for israel, it is time on both sides. This is not your time, hamas too. But to rally your troops to go and attack israel again, hamas and israel, you need a ceasefire and we need to get the hostages back. I think that after that in this moment right now, i would urge the campaign not to lead with the alternative was donald trump. That is not resonating with people they know what the alternative that seems to be aware what the alternative is. Their community was the first, some of the first people to be attacked by donald trump. I talked to one of tHe Uncommitted voters earlier and he said to me, or she said to me we voted for donald trump because we want it something different. And now we are telling joe biden, we want him to be different. And if he isnt, we will make us decision about who we vote. Mean they voted for joe biden miscues me. They voted for joe biden because they want it done. Right. So heres heres my question. I mean, ashley makes the observation she thinks maybe were getting close to a time where joe biden needs to endorse a ceasefire would that be enough for arab muslim voters in michigan based on your reporting . I mean, not a singularly, and i think thats partially because the political damage, as we see tonight, has been laid over a set of months. These are folks who are been consistently calling for the president to be more vocal on this issue its due to lead or to even acknowledge the consistency of the criticism. And they have chosen not to do those things. I think that if even if there were to be a ceasefire, you still see lingering kind of a holdover feelings. I think feed into a larger perception of biden as out of touch with the base. Now that is expressed here among there, but Muslim Community thats expressed among young people among the different way doesnt surprise among black voters in a different way, but its a larger feeling of a disconnect between but between administration and base by two things, the political question is connected to the Policy Question here, right . Like they were using the system to make a statement about what the Biden Campaign is doing right now in terms of its Support Connection to israel. And i think the biggest critical political factor here is what do they need next on the policy front . And if there is a messaging question, can they find themselves responding to the expression of pain that these folks are consistently telling them theres a separate way as an aside from endorsing a ceasefire that they can speak to these communities and they havent chosen to do that so far. Yeah, look, this is the crux of the question. I mean as somebody who worked in the white house, when you hear what a leyla elabed just said, which was not just a ceasefire. They want the end of us aid to israel. That would be the equivalent of a category five hurricane hitting us Foreign Policy lets see. Byd isnt even possible to, for biden to deliver on that i dont think anybody in the white house is thinking about changing our entire relationship with israel, right israels democracy in the middle east. So weve got allies keep are looking at the United States to see if we stand by. Our allies are signals to china and russia. This is a very complex conversation i think whats interesting about the votes tonight, as im watching this, a couple of things. One, you see what these boats are coming from washington county, which is basically ann arbor, which is university of michigan. Im seeing a lot of very highly Information Voters who were there. You see dearborn, dearborn heights. Im from michigan. Dearborn. Dearborn heights. Lot of arab Arab American, palestinian the un American Voters who are, it looks like that number is like way overwhelming. And that makes a lot of sense, right . That thats where it should come from. Now, whats not happening is i was on the phone with some of my low information voter relatives in the last 24 hours. And i said, how do you feel about being uncommitted . Uncommitted to what . There are African Americans who are in the city of detroit, which are a big chunk of the biden vote, who arent there. But will be much more concerning to me because this is a little bit of a low risk protest because the Democratic Primary you actually, voting for donald trump. If you vote for uncommitted, its a different question when you get to the fall well, what would have been more concerning is that these voters voted for dean phillips. Now, if these voters have voted for dean phillips, there wou