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Cnn this is gps, the Global Public square. Welcome to all of you in the United States and around the world im Fareed Zakaria coming to you from new york. Today on the Program President biden the state of, the union and americas role in the world i talked to Susan Glasser and ian bremmer, but great The Middle East, then much more also cnns jim sciutto on how close russia may have come to using Nuclear Weapons in ukraine. And how a new Global Nuclear arms race his apartment then allbirds, noah feldman on what it means to be a jew in this time of ever rising antisemitism but first, heres my take as weve watched the horrors of another war in The Middle East, its easy to get gloomy and depress. It seems that the region continues to be violent and unstable but that mrs. An important shift that has taken place in recent time, one that provides some cause for optimism about the future. The arab states that are now The Middle East leaders are playing an important and constructive role in stabilizing the situation and working for peace this is a sea change from decades past the country that have for decades define the worlds agenda was egypt, especially under its charismatic leader, Gamal Abdel Nasser and nassars Core Ideology was arab nationalism with a strong antiisraeli component. The other large arab states, syria and iraq, were equally fiery in their condemnations of israel. They often embraced a Policy Of Rejection Ism which was opposed to any concessions toward israel saudi arabia, as the custodian of islams holiest sites, joined in giving the struggle against israel of religious tone 2002, for example, saudi king fahd authorized a telethon to aid the relatives of palestinian socalled martyrs killed by israel, including those of terrorists. It raised 100 million today, iraq and syria are mired in dysfunction and the attitude of the other leading arab states could not be more different first, there has been reshuffling of what countries are seen as the regions leaders while, it used to be that the large arab countries were dominant because of history, size, armies, etcetera. Today it is the incredibly wealthy gulf states that set the agenda countries like egypt regularly depend on the rich Gulf Neighbors for bailouts and handouts second, there has been abroad shift of attitude against arab terrorism and towards some kind of reconciliation and Recognition Of Israel The Gulf States are now so rich that it has redefined their orientation toward the world. On a recent trip to the uae, saudi arabian, kuwait i was struck by how these countries elites predominantly worry about war and instability and im constantly looking for Economic Opportunities and they see israel as a potential economic partner saudi arabia in particular, has huge ambitions for modernization, violence and terror can only append these plans the shift in egypt is particularly important. President sisi came to power, Jailing Thousands of members of the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamist Group with affinity and ties with hamas. Hes deeply hostile to hamas and all such militant movements and eager to partner with israel to crush them the backdrop to egypt and the gulf arabs positions is there joined opposition to the rise of iran and its army of proxies from hezbollah to the houthis to have mass of course, there are complexities and nuances. Qatar has managed to play a role as an intermediary between israel and hamas because it is friendly relations with hamas and has also had long ties with israel, which will officially severed in 2009 after Israel Attacked gaza. Qatars Supportive Hamas has often been criticized, but the truth is, without a gobetween, know ceasefires or peace deals would be possible and the qatari government has, by all accounts been extremely constructive and responsible in helping broker negotiations arab governments are not the same as the arab people and Public Opinion in the arab world has turned sharply against israel and the United States and gets more critical by the day but even here, theres a Silver Lining as the Carnegie Endowment scholar, amr humza, we noted in november, Arab Attitudes since the war began have been far more moderate than in the past, condemning violence against civilians on both sides, rejecting terrorism and urging a twostate solution. He pointed out that this is part of a broader turn away from Political Violence with over 90 of arab surveyed in one poll in recent years, rejecting Extremist Organizations and condemning terrorism that backdrop might explain why, despite the vehement opposition to the scale and scope of israels military actions in Gaza No Arab Country has suspended its relations with israel even the denunciations have been somewhat muted and instead the focus has been on practical ways to help the palestinians such as cease fires, aid corridors, and postwar reconstruction all on the path to a Palestinian State american officials who deal with them have told me that they find the leadership of these arab countries ego constructive and helpful and searching for solutions. The saudi led plan for path to a twostate solution is according to these officials practical and workable . This sea change in both the composition of the leading arab states and the attitudes of the leaders will not solve the Israeli Palestinian issue. But it does suggest there is some support for peace, stability, and moderation in a region that desperately needs it. Go to cnn. Com slash fareed for link to my Washington Post column this week and lets get started it has been a big week for american politics. Donald trump all but clinch the republican nomination on Super Tuesday and all eyes were on president joe bidens State Of The Union, where he gave a spirited defense of visit administrations achievements. Both at home and abroad. He faces big chunk lng on both fronts at home with an intransigent Republican Party and abroad with the war in ukraine and israels continued seizure in gaza. Joining me now to talk about all of this Susan Glasser, a staff writer at the new yorker, and ian bremmer, the president and founder of the eurasia group, a global risk consultancy. So what do you think people will say, you know, weeks from now, months from now about that State Of The Union. I doubt theyll be talking about it because we have a very narrow timeframe on our news these days. But at least for the next few days, theyre going to talk a little bit less about joe bidens unfitness in age. And theyre going to talk a little bit more about the fact that that was a speech he needed to give. They havent seen him for an hour plus out there in front of an audience, engaging and then giving a speech. This could have gone badly for him in lots of ways. And he avoided those pitfalls in that regard. It was a very important speech. What im struck by susan is if you look at the polling, it does seem as though people approve of his policy shes more after the speech. Is that you think because, a lot of the things joe biden is pushing our popular, like having corporations and billionaires pay more taxes, like reducing Child Poverty with credits and things like that. Why what do you think explains that . Thats a fairly sharp rise in polling in a country which has often seemed very evenly divided well, thats right. Many of the things that biden is talking about, if people actually listen, its getting them to listen is the hard part. Reproductive freedom is another big theme of the campaign. This year, youre going to hear it over over and over again from democrats, from biden on down and remember Something Like twothirds of americans even many in very red states are against the supreme courts decision to eliminate roe versus wade. And that will be powering a lot of the turnout. The problem for aid is getting americans to Pay Attention to break through the noise and also for joe biden, i think he had to reassure his own Democratic Party base and people who might vote for him, that he was really up to waging the fight with donald trump, his bad poll numbers arent because republicans are against him. They already work in a vote for him. Its because he hasnt yet convinced his own electorate that hes really the guy to keep going for another term. Susan, when you think about that opening, what he did something very unusual and dramatic. He began hit the speech really with a very impassioned plea for aid to ukraine is there any chance that that changes the dynamic because this is a real problem. Ukraine is really needs it needs a lifeline, and it doesnt have it is anything going to change well, for you a couple observations. Number one, you saw Speaker Mike Johnson throughout the evening, barely pressing sort of his uncomfortableness with the speech and hes been very noncommittal, including in an interview that he gave to reporters after the speech on friday morning, where hes still refusing to even allow that matter of the 60 billion in additional Military Assistance and other assistance for ukraine and it binds, asks for, hes still not agreeing to bring it to a vote, which is really tantamount to killing it in the sense that it would pass if it got to the floor. But for months now, remember, biden sent up this request back in the fall in october and first was asking for more aid as early as last august. So its been months and months the delay, which is tantamount to leading to direct setbacks and deaths on the battlefield in ukraine. The other thing that he did for it that i thought was very interesting is hes making an explicit connection between trumps threats to American Democracy and Vladimir Putins threats to democracy in europe. And i think that thats going to be at Campaign Theme throughout the year. Yeah, it was struck by how hes looking at a chamber, those half republican and pretty squarely said, you guys tried to undermine democracy at home. You think that kind of combative rhetoric works well, unfortunately, no, because the countries to divided, i think anyone that supports trump believes that this is all part of the problem and that democracy only works for the people that are in power. The elites, the establishment, including the media including sort of all these institutions that they dont believe in anymore. So that argument doesnt work for them, but i do believe it was very smart for biden to start with ukraine. And a lot of people were surprised by that because the war is not going as well right now. But he knows that a Majority Jordy of the men and women in that room support him on ukraine and they applauded that includes speaker johnson. He didnt stand, but he did applaud when biden was saying we cant let these people down, we have to actually continue to provide support and privately, johnson has been working with democrats and republicans and senate saying we want to find the way to bring this to a vote. If you made me bet right now, i think that you are going to see additional us funding for ukraine in 2024 alright, when we come back, ill ask our guests to talk about The Middle East and where that goes on, become fareed. Zakaria gps brought to you by Fisher Investments . Clearly different Money Management at Fisher Investments, we may look like other money managers, but were different. How so . Were a fiduciary, obligated to act in our client thats best interests. 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Its all we do with local offices throughout the country on just how you get the compensation you deserve aid to eight to 44, 44 and we are back with ian bremmer, the president and founder of the eurasia group, and Susan Glasser, a staff writer at the new york susan, tell me what you made of bidens both speech and policy on israel, gaza he announced something that saudi bold, setting up a port that would allow humanitarian assistance, where when you look at the details that its going to take probably two months before this is setup. It didnt seem that much of a deviation from a policy that hes had how for months now, which is essentially to support israel yeah, thats right. I mean, what youre seeing is distancing, but it remains a cautious kind of distancing. And i do think the announcement of the sort of Temporary Port and gaza, its remarkable symbolic gesture nothing else

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