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Welcome to a decisive primary Night Edition of the source. Im Kaitlan Collins here in washington along with Anderson Cooper in new york. Okay. And kaitlyn, the primary dominates this hour with President Biden clinching the nomination just a short time ago, and the former president expect to do same just about two hours from now when results start coming in from Washington State. And of course, the other Big Story Anderson here in washington is the reaction to former Special Counsel robert hur and his testimony before the House Judiciary Committee today, taking fire really from both sides of the aisle, as he explained his decision not to prosecute President Biden over his handling of classified documents while he was out of office. First, this pivotal primary night for that, lets go straight to cnn its david David Chalian. So where does trump stand in the delegate count . And when do we expect them to secure the nomination . Hes so close. Anderson he needs 1,215 delegates. Hes he there in the upper righthand corner to win the nomination, donald trump is currently at 1,184 delegates. This is after he won hello gets in Georgia In Mississippi already this evening, it puts him 31 delegates away from the nomination. Take a look. If you look at it by percentage anderson, donald trump has won 92 of the delegates awarded so far in this republican contest, you see nikki haley, there has only 17 the 0. 1 . It sort of begs the question whether this nomination was winnable for anybody not named donald trump all this time and take a look at what donald trump needs in order to win the nomination, he only needs 2. 7 of the remaining available delegates, and were only on the second tuesday in march. Hes got going to cross that threshold. Most likely later tonight when Washington State reports, its votes after the 11 00 p. M. Eastern hour, anderson, President Biden cross the threshold to what he needed earlier tonight. Word is that delegate total stanford him . Yeah, hes now over that 1,968 needed to win the democratic nomination. Hes currently at 2011 delegates. He also won a slew of delegates out of georgia and mississippi so far this evening, and hes going to keep adding to that total tonight. He overwhelmingly just trounced any nominal competition that he is todd in this race. So given all the talk about his potential weaknesses as a general election candidate, it never really materialized inside an actual contested battle for the democratic nomination, anderson, David Chalian, thanks. Gayla and joining me now is the national cochair for the Bidenharris Campaign and the former mayor of new orleans, Mitch Landrieu mitch, its been about 1,225 days since the last biden trump election. Im not sure people are looking forward to the sequel, but now that President Biden is the Presumptive Democratic nominee, what is going to be his priority in the coming days . Well, i think that what you saw today was really a great victory. You mean this is the nomination thats been clinched that this early in two decades, the president had a great day today. The hur report, basically today case closed not guilty. Time to move on. But dont forget the donald trump still has 91 criminal indictment its pending against him. So this election has always it was going to be and its going to be in the future. A choice between two very different people in two very different futures for america, you got a guy that wakes up joe biden every day fighting for the people of america, trying to include people trying to think about the future Donald Trumps thinking about the past. Hes thinking about revenge and retribution. And i think theres going to be a very clear choice for people going forward. You mentioned that her testimony today, i mean, there were points though where you looked at the transcript versus what you saw in the report, but then as congresswoman Pramila Jayapal was questioning him, he interrupted her to say that he had not exonerated President Biden. What did you make of that moment . Well, first of all, that is legally incorrect. Then a prosecutor is trying to gather evidence. They either have the evidence and bring a case or they dont. If you dont have evidence to bring a case, the person is deemed not guilty. Thats the way that i law works, and that is essentially what the report said. Putting aside whatever the Special Counsels hurs opinions are about the president and any other way and for people that are interested in whether the president is up to the job, i just refer you to the State Of The Union that he gave the other night. I mean, the president s ripped up and ready to go and is on the job and making things happen the real part of this though, is that his age is a concern for voters. And so what is the pant plan for the campaign to address that over the next eight months for those who are concerned about it, even democrats well, let me say this. I think that is clear that you have a 77 yearold and an 81 yearold who are going to be running against each other. So age is not going to be the determining factor. Not all their ages, but the age of their ideas is joe biden is thinking about the future Donald Trumps thinking about the past, there is a clear distinction between these two guys. And i think donald trump is going to be on the trial with the American People to, as he is in six separate courtrooms in america right now, which is just amazing, even to contemplate. But President Biden shows up every day. Hes bringing the receipts. I dont need to go over all the successes that hes had. The distinctions between these two guys as, as wide as the golf just yesterday, President Trump said ill leave that hes going to cut entitlements. Joe biden said, im going to protect him. Donald trump wants to take away health care. Joe biden is going to protect them. Donald trump is he eviscerated womens rights in america. Joe biden is going to protect them. Were going to build an economy from the bottomup and the middleout, Donald Trumps going to do it from the top down. Thats never worked before and so were here for the battle. Were ready to go. And the president is on track. The Washington Post is reporting tonight that rfk junior has selected his running mate and among the New York Times and Washington Post reporting, the names that are out there are jesse ventura, rodgers on one robin. Your name wasnt on there . But honestly, you thank god you list. But but can i ask you what is your plan to deal with rfk junior because this could come down to the margins. You know, how much the margins matter to joe biden in 2020 . Listen every vote, every vote counts in these elections, and all of the experts on the panel with, you know, about that, you cant tell whether hes going to hurt us or hurt trump more, but that list is just i dont even know what to say about that. I dont want to dignify it really, whether response joe biden is going to get up every day. Hes going to try to earn everybodys votes. Hes going to bring the receipts of creating 15 million jobs having the lowest Unemployment Rate in the last 50 years, wages have gone up as you see, inflation continues to go down and were going to battle to protect peoples rights and freedoms in america. Thats what this race is about. And the choice is going to be between donald trump and itd be between joe biden of future that includes everybody or future or past that excluded he does every body and we just got to have to take the battle to them and win in the battle place of ideas i mean, it is a real question though, of who could it hurt or help more donald trump or joe biden. I mean, what is the level of concern inside the campaign about him well, first of all, again, like i said, every vote is of concern. Theres really no way to tell thirdparty candidate its if not fared very well, but they have an impact on races. But well let all the genius has tried to figure out what the heck is going to matter, but all we know is weve got to go out there and earned everybodys vote. Continue to talk to them about the future of the country as President Biden sees it, you have a guy thats planned, pity, pity pity plaque with dictators. He had victory or ban at maralago this week. And now john kelly in a book by one of your colleagues, is talking about how much he reveres hitler. I mean, you know, the choice is a pretty clear about what direction we should be going into this country. Mitch landrieu, if you come out, is that running mate . Im going to call you. Thanks so much for joining us tonight. Up fleet, Something Like god thank you. Anderson, back to you again over on the republican side, the foreign president waiting for polls to close the Washington State, which is expected to put them over the top soon as Kristen Holmes has been talking to her sources in trump world joins us now is what are you learning about the strategy for this campaign moving forward . Well, anderson, look, leaving, acting as though donald trump is the nominee now for several weeks, a lot of this is trying to talk about how theyre going to build out their strategy and their ground game in those critical battleground states, were talking about georgia, michigan, arizona, and nevada. But the other part of this is really learning how to navigate with these legal issues. And part of that is the trial that starting at the end of this month im talking to sources who say donald trump wants to attend every day of that trial, even the days that arent mandatory. So even at the beginning of the trial, when its jury selection, it just has to be lawyers, donald trump is saying he wants to attend, so theyre looking into plans for that and also how hes going to actually compete in a general election campaign. So right now, they are talking about wednesday on saturday being the days that they actually have events because those are the days that they arent in court. Now, donald trump, he has said that he would go to court during the day and then in the evening you would campaign what im talking to these sources they acknowledged that that could be very difficult. They just dont know how theyre going to get him in and out of the city where its close enough. What kind of rally or eventual so right now, its just figuring out how to navigate these several weeks of trial, which donald trump is going to be in court. And of course, as we have seen in the past, he is expected to use those cameras to his advantage, but remember in this new york trial, this Hush Money Case, this is not the same as the civil fraud trial. Were. There are cameras everywhere that you can go out to. We saw im trying to navigate this when he was court just recently having to walk all the way out to this pool camera where he essentially was shouting. Its just not quite as easy, so theyre trying to work around how theyre going to use those that courtroom as a campaign stop. But also how to actually work on the campaign because they know that this is going to be a very close election. Any tight rematch with joe biden, Kristen Holmes, thanks so much. Kaitlan back to you anderson. We are back here the panel and also have David Chalian with us along with andrew mccabe, paula reid, tia mitchell, kate bedingfield, and doug heye. Doug, i mean, listen to kristen lay out what this is about to look like for the next eight months is kind of scary. But if youre a republican operative, how much scarier is it i think its very scary for republicans for a few reasons. One is were seeing in georgia, donald trump is yes, hes winning overwhelmingly, but hes lost 61,000 Georgia Republicans right now. He lost the state by less than 12,000 votes. That has to be very concerning. The other thing i think should concern republicans is in the state of colorado. Ken buck has announced his retirement is imminent retirement soon. There are a whole lot of Congressional Retirements Skewing republican. Were gonna have a lot of open seats defend those are hard things to do. Its also going to hurt that majority, that republicans are already dealing with those already slim, but i just wonder because brian kemp today, this is not a surprise he told basically everyone that he was going to do this, but he did go and cast his vote for donald trump. And i wonder as someone who is deeply reported on their politics what you make of that, given that is something that we could see from other republicans who say, yeah, im not a huge fan of Donald Trumps, but i also really dont like joe biden, so im going to pick the republican on this ticket. Yeah, weve heard that time and time again. Even nikki haley has indicated that if trump is the nominees, shes going to support him. She definitely would not support biden under any circumstances. So what we hear from a lot of republicans, even those who are critical of former President Trump is that when it comes down to a matchup, a rematch, they still think trump is better for the country than biden. They think biden is awful. They think his tenure has been awful. They think that theyd rather deal with another four years of trump, then deal with four more years. Heres a biden and were seeing that kind of writ large. I mean, i think its also just like a political calculation. The republicans who stood up to trump and said never trump, no way, not anywhere are in a political nomansland. So i think in a way that its understandable that those who still want to be relevant to them the party, at some point believe they have to fall in line once its clear that trump is their nominee. Yeah. I mean, David Chalian, were seeing that play out in georgia right now. I mean, can you just explain what were whats happening with these numbers because nikki haley is there about 14 . Obviously, she is no longer in this race. But what do you make . Of what is happening there given that margin that doug was talking about, but her name on the ballot still allows this protest vote is nontrump vote inside the context of republican primary. I mean, one of the great mathematical equations to be done, this election season will be okay, well, how many of those folks just put on the republican jersey and stay with the republican nominee. And how many are actually potential biden voters in the fall, but largely i think when you look at these two unpopular nominees that come into focus tonight, the negative partisanship is going to drive so much of this because politics is always not an either or but a both end. And so these candidates are going to have to really he Gin Up Enthusiasm in their base and theyre going to do that with the negative partisanship that exists in society and playing into the polarization a bit and then theyve got to be able to add to that with some folks in the middle and in the middle, both of these candidates are suffering and to davids point, weve just had a week of democrats saying joe biden is back stronger than ever. Theres no question about his age and that this is a game changer is what Congressman Raskin said earlier. The game hasnt changed. If you look at the polling, bidens numbers havent moved here at a very good night, but theres been no follow through on that and thats why this race sort of remains the movable object against the resistible force. And voters are saying we dont want to see this movie at all, okay . I think that the partisanship, the partisan divide is also the reason the races is sort of effectively stagnant until it comes into focus. And so both trump and biden, clinching the nomination tonight. That is a good thing for the Biden Campaign. The sooner they can turn peoples attention to the contrast one of the issues we havent really talked a lot about tonight is abortion, which we have seen time and again is motivating both democrats. You talk about this base issue. It is absolutely an issue that is motivating Democratic Base voters. The coalition of voters biden needs to get energized and come out but we also saw in 2020 2. 20, 23, its motivating independent voters suburban voters who are also turned off. But were also the voters who are most turned off by Donald Trumps rhetoric. So that combination is really good dynamic for the Biden Campaign and theyre going to have to try to drive a lot of republicans down ballot who say a lot of crazy things. Mark robinson and North Carolina gubernatorial candidate kari lake, who we all know, they cause problems up and down the ballot. They cause trump problems and they cause their other candidates problems as well. The one thing though that the Mitchell Andrew mentioned there, theyre counting on as well, is trumps criminal trials. You mentioned multiple of them, but paula reid, i mean, as weve been reporting, were not sure that any of them are going to happen beyond the case that is slated to start in new york later this month, the Hush Money Case which is seen as the das office says, this is still legally perilous for him, but but is not seen as bad potentially as the jack smith cases. Yeah, absolutely. If he had to pick one case to go before the election, this would be the case that he would pick. No one wants to be criminally charged in the middle of a Campaign Season are ever but this particular case of the nature of these the allegations people refer to it as the Hush Money Case. The District Attorneys Office is framing it as the 2016 Election Interference Case, arguing that the hush money that was paid to Stormy Daniels was done so in an effort to influence the election, lot of folks in trumpworld dont believe that is something that is really going to influence voters, even if there is a conviction but hes going to have to be in a courtroom monday, tuesday, thursday, and friday. Itll be wednesday is off. Look, ive seen weve seen in courtrooms across america, the campaign is very portable. He will likely turn these into campaign stops, even though he wont be able to travel. So logistically, its complicated, but if he had to pick one trial, this is it. And it is unclear if they can get a conviction here and maybe melania trumps least favorite trial notice. We have not seen her out on the Campaign Trail at all. This season, but andrew mccabe, i think wed got a taste of what that could look like if these trials were happening, they would not be on camera, but there would be reporters in court. We would have the quotes. We know these witnesses who would be on the Witness Stand and one of them we talked to him last night in the classified documents case. He was previously only known is trump employee number five. Hes now known as brian butler. He worked at maralago for a long time and we talked about the pressure that he faced to stay inside the trump fold. This is what he told us i mean, i think the American People have the right to know the facts that this is not a witch hunt. I mean, he can go on and tv and say this. Thats one of the reasons for doing this and quote, the pra says this and that i its all bogus but people believe him you think its a fair investigation . Absolutely how much of a difference do you think it would make if people could hear from the brian butler is the other witnesses every day leading up to the election. Well, were going to find out because in a number of filings over the last last week or so, the Special Counsel Team has turned over to the defense and in discovery, the names, the identities of witnesses, their actual testimony from the grand jury. So they are fighting right now in court, as we know to keep that information under seal and not share it with the public, but well see how that that motion turns out in either case, we are likely to see more and more witnesses identified, maybe some coming forward voluntarily, like mr. Butler did yesterday, and that will initiate a process for them personally, theres little subject them to unbelievable scrutiny from the defense team. Donald trumps lawyers will go well after each and every one of these people to uncover every stone that might have a negative fact underneath it in an effort to prepare for their ability to crossexamine these folks in the trial. And im just going to get very tough for them. He talked about the moment where you kind of exhaled when the Special Counsels team said, by the way, all of your testimony has now been turned over its right to trumps lawyers, advocate. Thank you for that. Everybody standby up next. We are following todays other massive story is the former Special Counsel robert hur, and the other classified documents case as i told the House Judiciary Committee, why he neither indicted nor exonerated President Biden over his handling of classified documents. Were going to speak to former for trump, Deputy Attorney general, Rod Rosenstein for his take on the testimony and the politics surrounding it and how it compares this own experience handling politically the hot legal topics. Many of them later on tonight, new reporting from cnns David Culver On what is happening in haiti the Prime Minister resigning a Multinational Security force put on hold an armed gangs now in control of the capital. His report ahead here on the source tonight Erin Burnett Outfront tomorrow at seven on cnn everyone loves an extra hundred dollars in their pocket. He should he do to have a turbotax expert file your taxes for you by march 31st to get 100 back. Instantly only from Intuit Turbo Tax Liberty Mutual customized my Car Insurance and i saved hundreds. Thats great. I know ive been telling everyone how many people did you tell only pay for what you need . 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This comes after we saw some fireworks on the hill today is house lawmakers, both democrats and republicans got their first crack at questioning the Special Counsel who declined to charge President Biden, despite robert hurs say that he did determined Biden Willfully retained classified information. Both sides, arguing that politics were at play in hurs report. And one name in particular kept coming up and you later join the Trump Justice Department as the principal associate Deputy Attorney general, working as the righthand man for another known Federalist Society member, Rod Rosenstein isnt that correct . I served as mr. Rosensteins Principal Deputy bill barr didnt name bob muller as a Special Counsel molar was named by Rod Rosenstein. Thats thats a huge difference. And how this whole thing works Rod Rosenstein was the Deputy Attorney general in the Trump Administration and oversaw the Muller Investigation and his appointment. He happens to be sitting next to me right now. Great to have you here as you were named, dropped several times during that testimony. Obviously, robert hur also was your deputy when you were at the justice since department with him testifying today. And as you were able to read the transcript of his interview with President Biden, do you think it was reflected fairly in his report you know, kaitlan rob had difficult job to do here to make a determination about whether criminal charges were warranted and that required him first to determine what are the facts . And some of the facts were ambiguous and its often the case and they sort of investigations youre not sure what was somebodys intent, what was their State Of Mind and so thats what lead rob to produce such a lengthy report with so many details that reflected his factual findings then he had to exercise judgment about whether those facts so it gave rise to sufficient evidence that would warrant a criminal prosecution. But do you think that what you saw on the transcript made the report look fair the way that he had constructed it, knowing it was going to become public. Okay. Kaitlan, ive read the whole report which is 350 some pages. I didnt read all the transcripts, so i cant answer that fully, but i think he fairly summarized what was relevant to the investigation. Yes. You said that you agreed with his decision overall on the report here once it was initially issued, not to bring charges against President Biden when it comes to the age part specifically, there was this argument from republicans or excuse me, from democrats pretty shortly that partisan politics drove his report. What, what do you make of that . Knowing robert hur. Well, thats ridiculous. Kaitlan, but what you saw today was a prosecutor up against 40 politicians. And they have different functions. And i think that really played out very dramatically today. Rob hurs job, like everybody in the Department Of Justice, and hes one of the best its one of the best people and best prosecutors ive worked with in my 30 years, the Department Of Justice, both democrats and republicans. He plays it straight. Here are the facts. Heres my analysis and what does it mean in terms of the legal significance is the is the suspect culpable or not of committing a crime. The politicians are interested in the political Go Significance of those findings, but that wasnt an issue for rob, that wasnt his agenda. That wasnt his goal. And so he produced a report that reflected the relevant legal findings and simply ignore the political context. Republicans now want the audio of the recordings of those interviews that he did with multiple witnesses, including with with President Biden himself if you were at the doj today, would you support releasing that . I would say yes, kaitlan, im having already reduced already produced the transcript. The substance of it is all out there and so i dont see any reason to withhold the Audio Recordings given that the transcript is already public. One thing that it was strongly contrasted with today was was done trump, your former boss is classified documents, indictment republicans saying that it was unfair that trump was charged with if biden wasnt democrats saying theres a big difference in what happened here. We spoke with one of the witnesses in the trump case last night. This is what he told me. On that day. As youre loading helping load these these boxes, unwitting into the plane and handing them to the pilots trump is back at maralago. And did you know that his attorneys were there that day . Its its funny because i remember seeing this taller guy think flick back silver hair. I think it was ever netanyahu, i now know to be Evan Corcoran and i saw a bunch of other people in the living room. I had no clue. Im just seeing all these people and it was Evan Corcoran, trumps attorney and members of the fbi, jay bratt, which i come to realize now, at the same time, hes going in there. The boxes are going from somewhere into a vehicle, which are eventually going to the plane which i load with walt how powerful of a witness do you think hed be if this goes to trial . Okay. Then im not in position to comment on the witnesses in the trump case i think like any every case, its going to depend upon all the witnesses and not just the prosecutions witnesses, but also the Defense Witnesses in the theory of the defendant lays out so i dont think you can comment on how you think the case is going to come out just based upon one particular witness, the last time that you were on cnn, the Immunity Case had not yet gone to the Supreme Court. It is now before the Supreme Court. Theyre going to hear arguments on it. Do you believe the president s should have full immunity from any prosecution while theyre in office. We know kaitlan. My my history ive worked on im investigations of president , so i worked at the whitewater investigation. I was responsible for the russia, a Special Counsel investigation and the issue that those investigations raise is an appropriate number one, to investigate conduct that involves the president. And then if the evidence word approve, the president committed a crime. Could you prosecute the president either while in office or after the president leaves office obviously, i believe that those investigations were appropriate, that it was appropriate to conduct that investigation. The question raised in this case in part is whether or not the conduct at issue in the indictment was within the scope hope in the president s official responsibilities, if it was, then theres an argument for immunity. If it wasnt if it exceeded the legitimate scope of president ial duties, then i think that theres no argument for immunity there. And do you think that what hes alleged to have done is in the scope of president ial duties i dont want to comment kaitlan on the issue before the Supreme Court. I think ill wait and see what they have to say. So you dont want to say whether or not you believe that he has immunity in that Election Interference Case . Well, i will say that The Dc Circuit Opinion was unanimous opinion and was quite an effective summary of the law then the probability yes, the Supreme Court will uphold that, but its up to the five justices. The Supreme Court. Yeah. Ive got ask you one more thing. I know youre not overtly political. You stick to the facts and the law, but but you did work for donald trump and the justice department. And there are questions about what that would look like in a second trump term. And he they marry. Well, be the next president. He posted other de that one of his first actions, if he but office and im quoting him now, would be to free the january 6 hostages being wrongfully imprisoned. I dont to tell you, there have been more than 950 convictions, but i mean, do you believe that would be appropriate . So kate and i worked for President Trump. I also worked for president obama and for president bush. You are us attorney under president and my approach, like robs, he worked all three administrations as well, was was to focus on the facts and the law. I dont think anybody who commits a crime involving assault on a Police Officer should go free. So thats my opinion about that. Rod rosenstein, former Deputy Attorney general, good to have you on here tonight. Thank you. Glad to be here. Thanks much for joining us, anderson back to you, kaitlan. Thanks back with our legal and political team, elie. Your reaction to a rosenstein. So i am similarly impressed with robert hur. I dont know robert hur, Rod Rosenstein work closely with him. I never have. But lets think about what robert hur just accomplished. He pulled off a yearlong investigation of the sitting president. He talked to dozens, over 100 witnesses. He put together a 388 page report and he just sat there while 44 political members of congress tried to pick them apart and they didnt find a single factual error or contradiction in his report. He wasnt flustered at all. He stood by his report. He came across to me just as an observer, as completely nonpolitical. He wasnt out there to harm trump are hurt trump or to harm biden or to help biden. And i think he deserves credit for that. Its extraordinarily difficult thing about the way that Robert Muller came through his report, right . Not as cleanly as this. Think about the way john durham came through his report. I think very political, nowhere near as cleanly as this so wrong. You dont by adam schiffs argument that the language he used to describe the president s cognitive abilities was unnecessary. I agree that that particular language was unnecessary, but i absolutely disagree with adam schiff when adam schiff tried to impute partisan motives on him, adam schiff was just making ad hominem attacks on robert heard that robert hur rejection, why do you think he did it that way . Because prosecutors approach their jobs differently. Sometimes prosecutors, right. More or less, people could write a 100 page report, a 20 page report or sometimes they include more or less detail and looking at that, if i was his supervisor, i wouldve said we dont need this level of granularity. This is an unnecessary detail, but i dont take that to me and hes got horrible political motives. I disagree with adam can or jessica. Im just going to say the regulations that govern Special Counsel is required hire them as her mentioned today, to explain in a report that submitted to the Attorney General the reasons for their Declination Decisions or prosecution decisions here declination. So he was required to submit a report that explained his decisions. But the regulations dont specify what level of detail he has to provide his reasons and he really in my opinion, shouldnt have exercised better discretion and judgment about how he characterized President Biden in the report . I agree with elliot was not it wasnt necessary to his determination that no charges were warranted for him to characterize the president as he did. And longstanding doj norms provide that you really shouldnt impugn somebodys reputation aware of that. And he did it anyway, is that political well, thats certainly the implication that the democrats in congress were suggesting. I cant get inside his head. I dont know what his motivations where i just think it was a serious error of judgment at a minimum isnt that what am i missing something perhaps here, but wasnt that one of the main reasons . For the declination was that if he did go to trial, this is how he would be observed by the jurors. Therefore, i am not going to proceed with this this prosecution. Her said that and he said i had to explain my work right when you actually read his report work carefully, i thought it actually wasnt critical to his determination. So again, it goes to a question of judgment about whether you include everything that was that was that you noted he says it was integral to him. If hes acting in good faith, thats why he included it, but i think he actually had the discretion to make a judgment about what he included in this report no way that it was going to be made public. And let me just say, if robert hur had an agenda and he just wanted to hurt donald trump, he could have written this report differently. He could have written this report to say, i believe that a prosecutor could walk out of a grand jury with an indictment of joe biden. However, im not confident that a jury would unanimously convict him. That would have been way more damaging. He didnt go there though. Well, by the way, donald trump very well may be president again, and one of his biggest regrets of his Previous Term was that he did did not choose to go after Hillary Clinton over the emails. There is a reality in the sounds crazy to say, but its donald trump that he could direct the Department Of Justice to reopen this where he to become president again. So i wouldnt even argue that this is completely out of the woods. This is something that he has talked about, how hes going to use the Department Of Justice. And a second term, dont think it gets nearly enough attention well, i mean, i think that two things can be true. On the one hand, he could have been more careful but hes not necessarily corrupt. And i think thats what schiff was doing was saying because you werent careful, you are there for corrupt. And i think i agree with you from earlier. Thats dangerous. We do especially in democratic partys like now, we got to defend all these institutions. We dont want to. I think castles kind of aspersions without real evidence and i didnt see the evidence. I just saw the accusation as well, so i thought he was saying youre corrupt. I think he was just i think the part of the goal of democrats was to ascribe political motives and to acknowledge that you are old enough nuff and why is enough to know that when you write a document like this, you do have some discretion and then it will actually face some scrutiny and people will look at your words and they will dry judgment from the words. I think he was more holding him accountable for. Dont tell me you didnt know what people were going to take from saying hes so kindly old man. And the fact that the transcripts were released that didnt actually really seem to support the characterization. I thought sort of cast this in a new light, seem even more unnecessary. And we really was interesting that you literally cells biden. Yep, a photographic memory in the transcripts you have to put that in the report. So i think that but that was better for biden legally listen, theres certainly the Audio Recordings, right . Clearly that we dont know because the byte, if it was completely exonerating the Biden Administration would have pushed those out this morning and everyone will be listened to him right now. So theres something those Audio Recordings that may go to what hur wrote and one while you wrote it, that there may be pauses, there may be nuances that you cant hear on a cold record. Cold transcript that were not so you can bet the House Republican conference is going to call for those arguments. Border funding, ukraine. Youre worried about so do you think therell be more hearings with the Audio Recordings are at work . I think theyre going to ask for it right there push for it, and they can use it as the Talking Point. It becomes a Talking Point that says wheres the audio . Why dont you released the audio . Weve you know, we know that regard, but lets be clear. This hearing did not go how i think House Republicans thought it was going to. I think that they thought this was going to be a partisan republican who was going to side with them and who was going to really go after bidens Mental Acuity and he didnt he was very nuanced whos very careful . He didnt overstep and it wasnt a slam dunk. They thought that it was gonna be it wasnt great for joe biden either, but that was not what the committee had set out. Little brother, another point on Audio Recordings that they didnt get really made a lot was that the biographer, right . His when he his Audio Recordings of his conversation with joe biden after the Special Counsel was appointed . He pressed delete is Audio Recordings with joe biden, which is a little bit as a former prosecutors, i think that is thats probably a nogo category provided transcripts of them are even the ones that were deleted and they were able to get back. But however, you dont once it or charging once you once you get a notice from prosecutor, theres something going on. You dont go through your email to start deleting files, right . For sure. 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Joined now by New York Times senior Political Correspondent Maggie Haberman. Its interesting this idea of using the Court Appearances as a way to stay active on the Campaign Trail. I mean, both just from a practical standpoint, it makes sense, but theres also been effective for him thus far. Its ben what he has done this entire time he did it through the primary cycle to great effect. Now, i would argue that legally his performances in court during the E Jean Carroll trial and during the new york ag trial, did not go paternally well for him in terms of the judgments that came down, but they certainly created a lot of noise and a sense of motion as he was in these primaries in the final stages. And this is what that well be especially because hes going to be in court for days a week. Wednesdays will be a break. So the only days that he can really campaign are saturday and sunday and yet he knows that so many cameras are going to be at the courthouse and theres not videotape inside the courtroom, so theyll need to occupy their time talking about stuff. So his appearances there, well get tremendous pickup. Thats exactly right. And this is something that we had expected was going to happen and may still happen if theres a federal january 6 related trial where there wont be cameras in the courtroom there, as you say, wont be cameras in the courtroom for the bragg trial. And so trump will go out and hell give his span and hell say whatever hes going to say. Hes going to hope that hes going to drown now, whatever the Witness Testimony is and whatever damaging evidence is offered in the case, is he trying to i mean, in terms of campaign strategy, to build his base, is he trying to just pick away some black voters from President Biden, hispanic voters, whomever he can get. I dont think thats what hes doing in this coming court case. I dont think thats the target. I think the target is essentially survival to be honest, and i think his aides are hoping that he does not do himself damage because as we have seen in recent days, he is saying things that are not helping him. Its not like its always a net plus, when he talks. But in general it is true that part of their math is they are trying to make a play for black voters. Hes been very explicit about it. He also has been trafficking and all kinds of racial stereotypes as he does it. But he refers back to his record as president , even if he doesnt pick up those votes, even if the public polling showing him getting a much higher percentage of black voters is wrong. Part of the strategy is just peeling it away from biden either. So people stay home or torta an independent candidate, it is its just bizarre. You think about john kelly telling jim sciutto about the hitler comments and hitler did some good things according to john kelly thats what the former president said. It didnt nobody seem to care i mean, in any other time, this would have been just unbelievable. Theres an enormous vault for a couple of things i would say about that. Theres been an enormous volume of information about things that donald trump said as president , things that he said in his past we have talked about it here. Weve written about it at the New York Times that, that piece of information actually first appeared in a book by my colleague mike bender. And so some of these things have been around so long that i actually think that the public has gotten almost numb to them. And i think that that is for people who dont like the former president. That is part of their challenge if you look back at the reporting around the muller report and we wrote about this at the time. There was so much reporting that went into this investigation. And what was happening with that investigation that the public sort of heard a lot of it along the way. So by the time the actual report came out, there wasnt a ton knew that the public was learning, and that seems to be the case here. I think the public is two and a lot of it out. They may not in the fall and i think thats what were going to make a Big Fire At Mass Firings at the rnc under with larry trump was unsurprising, and i think its really mostly under Chris Lacivita who has come in as, you know, hes a top Trump Campaign official and hes the de facto Chief Of Staff now at the rnc, unsurprising because theres bloat there or in surprising because they have been telegraphing that this was coming for some time. I think there is not a lot of happiness around some of the celebrating that was going on by some folks on the Trump Campaign about it. And its a strange message to cheer people getting fired. But especially when you were trying to win over more votes. But look, we will see if it makes a difference. We will see if they end up hiring some of these folks looks back, we will see what the rnc ends up looking like, but its not surprised to see this mass shakeup Maggie Haberman, thanks so much anderson, donald trump and President Biden both winning georgia and their respective primaries tonight, it does state that is going expected to be at least a critical state. Again, this november in 2020, biden defeated trump there by if fewer than 12,000 votes, cnns gary tuchman is in atlanta tonight with a group of undecided voters who could help swing this election. Gary, how are they feeling about their two choices now that its in clear view tonight okay. When will i will tell you is when it comes to president ial elections, its hard to find undecided voters. But they can be found and we have found them here in atlanta, georgia. This is a very important swing state, georgia, six voters and. Since ive met you all and talk to you Yesterday And Today has anyone changed her mind . Is anyone ready to vote for trump or biden for sure hands are down. So let me start asking you first. We have here advani and catchup wife and husband. Youre not ready to vote for either the judge to know why dont you like joe biden for president . Its the hardest job in the world. Its the hardest job in the world and we keep Hearing Stories about how he is so sharp u, so on point behind closed doors. But i havent seen it. I havent seen it and catch up. Why dont you like donald trump . Well, i mean, i just dont they use a good human being and just the things that come out of his mouth makes me cringe every time and not to mention all the indictments against him. So youre both independence might you not vote in the election november, unless they give us a compelling reason to change her mind. Scott, youre an independent you told me theyll youre kind of a libertarian. Youre fiscally conservative, but socially youre progressive do you like either of these two gentlemen for president could there be to worse options right . Biden is weak and all the wrong areas. Trump is a polarizing salesman, not a statesman. We need better. So might do not vote know. There are too many reasons to go and exercise my right to vote. So i will vote, we vote for i dont know right now considering going third party, i think to who would that be . I think kennedy has lots of rfk junior. Okay. Let me ask you, dana, you are a democrat but you were telling me that you want to nikki haley . Yes. I think over trump, she just seem to like she was for the people versus trump, who i feel like is after his own personal vendetta and now that shes out, is there any chance you vote for either these two gentlemen currently now, im undecided. So does that mean you wont vote the election november i may not. You may not vote. Delancey urine independent. You also liked haley and you told me you voted for democrats and republicans in the past. What do you think of these two candidates . The president and the former president . Well, im not a trump fan. Ill be honest, but i like biden. I think hes a good guy. I think hes too old right now. I think hes just his his time has passed. And i also think both candidates are so polarizing that its hard for our country to get behind anyone. So might you vote for joe biden . If theres not a good thirdparty candidate yes. Youre looking for thirdparty can who might that be . Well, one person that i dont think wants to do it, but as governor kemp, because i see him as governor. Yes, because i see him as someone who stood up to trump and is still popular and wellliked. Okay. Well doesnt look like hes running. So the final person we have here is lew and i should tell all our viewers that lew and i are friends. We went to eighth grade together and school when we were in high school, jimmy carter was being gerald ford but i can take weve never talked about politics and all the first until the other day when i found out that you were undecided. Yeah. You told me, you know, youre not going to vote for biden, youre an independent, but you dont like trump very much either, and youd like nikki haley also. So what are you gonna do . I do i really like nikki haley and im so sorry. She she dropped out of the race i thought she was sharp. I thought she really had all the elements of what i look for in a president. But much you vote for trump probably will what about third party . If there was a great candidate that came in . Yeah. But at this point, i dont know if thats going to happen. And yeah, i would probably vote for him because i think he can execute on the things that are important to me i want to ask you all if this makes you sad as a patriot of this country, all love your country. Thats one of the reasons i wanted to talk to all of you. I asked you, well, how much you love this country and you love it. Thats it. Make you sad that youre not really dig in these republican and Democratic Candidates for president yeah, i know when we spoke, i was saying that since ive become of age to vote, this is the first time that i really dont know. This is the first time i feel motivated to just stay home. Well, what i want to tell you your vote is going to be sought because youre from georgia itll be sought big time thank you all for joining us. Kaitlan back to you. Gary tuchman, a loved hear those conversations you have with voters. Thank you for bringing that to us. Just ahead here tonight, well step away from the elections here for a moment. Focus on the political and civil turmoil that has happened getting in haiti, what is going to happen now that the Prime Minister has announced hell step down. 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Mesothelioma is really all we do. 80087 to 4901 i want to spend a few minutes now on the Breaking News out of haiti after its Prime Minister announced he would step down in favor of trends, Transitional Government, one of the gang leaders responsible for the unprecedented levels of violence ravaging the country now says that they will not accept a new Transitional Government david culver joins us now from just across the border in the dominican republic. So what do we know about this new government when it might form how quickly that may happen . A lot of eyes here on the timeline of all of this anderson, and its a Transitional Council president ial council as its been characterized by caricom. Thats the regional bloc in which the us is a member state. And essentially its been crafted to at the end of everything, stabilize the government enough to have president ial elections. But its going to be made up of seven different members and theyre going to come from members of different political factions within haiti. And theyre going to appoint in the interim Prime Minister. And then hopefully get to that i play some stability. But you pointed out the reaction already in haiti, were hearing one gang leader whos very popular, known as barbecue, saying that he wont recognize anything that comes from foreign force. Thats echoed by a former coup leader defelipe, who is saying that this is not representative of the haitian people. And there is frustration that we you actually heard more than two weeks ago when we were in haiti and important prints that folks were saying they felt like they didnt have a voice. Theyd come up to us and theyd say to the us, to canada france, let us make the decisions here so it still remains unclear, anderson that this is really going to create that stability that its so badly needed. On the other side of the border people are desperate for stability given all the violence weve been seeing, what is reaction. Youve been monitoring from, from people in haiti when were with you a few days ago when we had heard about some of the folks that we were with a couple of weeks ago and in recent days, its been a desperate situation i mean, its been terrifying for folks who some of whom have had seen their homes torched by the gangs that are getting more and more control, seizing a lot more territory, then youve got people who maybe not are in gang territory, but are hunkering down there trying to stay safe and theyre fearing that at any moment theyll have to flee from where they currently are. We refund, touch with police source, who tells us theyre really frustrated and they feel like theyre the last ones holding the line right now and they point in particular to the Kenyan Police its officers who were supposed to be deployed any day now, but now were hearing that kenya has put that on hold. Well, wire kenyan officials positives. Its because theyre looking in at this Transitional Council that is not yet in place theyre saying that ariel henry, the Prime Minister, is resigning. So theyre saying, wait a minute, this is what we signed up for originally this is not the agreement that we decided to put our Police Forces to support. And so they want to see, again, stability before theyre comfortable putting their forces into haiti. And that remains unclear when its going to happen. Meantime, youve got the pentagon anderson tonight. Theyre warning that this could be a possible mass migration situation. And youve got the World Food Program saying, at the end of all of this, weve got to look at the humanitarian aspect, the hunger situation. People are desperate to supply lines are getting caught et off and you have, as they characterize it, 1 Million People now who are one step away from famine, anderson, david culver, thank very much. Kaitlan before we go tonight, we do have a heartbreaking update as we have now learned, that one of the last six american hostages thought to still be alive and being held in gaza was actually killed by hamas on october 7, and his body was taken into gaza. Thats according to the Israeli Military and an update that they provided today. Day, he tai hin, a 19yearold dual us israeli citizen, was serving in he gaza border that day, his parents have been working relentlessly to bring him home, to bring awareness for the other hostages and their families ever since tonight, they say that their hearts are broken with this update. Heres what they told jake tapper just last week i actually havent liam two days ago. Two nights ago where i saw the vision of hesitant biden the thing to us and saying, well, your kidney tie, hes on a plane back home. I still hope that that might be able to happen ruby, his father was raised in new york and i should note a tie was the second of three sons. He was a former boy scout, not that long ago is to add, said he was also a fierce Basketball Player and fan. His 20th birthday would have been on february 2, and our hearts go out to his family and friends tonight. Thank you so much for joining us. Cnns primary coverage continues right now with laura coats and abby philip tonight two big check marks. One has already happened, and were expecting the other any minute now. And when it does, you can officially lock in your ma