Although i do acknowledge that the garden state punches way above its weight when it comes to political scandals. [indistinct conversations] in 2004, the democratic governor of new jersey, Jim Mcgreevey, stepped into a press room just like this and became an Overnight Sensation when he admitted to a gay affair and resigned in the same speech. A governor coming out of the closet was genuinely shocking, a careerkiller at that time. Looking back, though, i cant help but feel that we were also quick to embrace the headline that we may have forgotten to dig a little deeper, because the reason why Jim Mcgreevey resigned is a lot more complicated than we remember. Ah, new jersey americas communal jacuzzi, or cesspool, depending on who you ask. [glass shatters] a land with its own unique culture and customs and a Political Landscape than can be rather. Shall we say, in your face. Youre done. Its 4 30. Youve maximized your tan. Get off the beach. New jersey is a roughandtumble place, man, you know . Its not for the faint of heart. The politics, the money, the press, the media, the scrutiny, are all larger. I teach new jersey politics, and when i say that to people, they laugh at you, and they say, oh thats gonna be a fun course about corruption. Yes, new jersey has a reputation for corruption being baked into the political process, with some political operatives of the belief that if you dont get your hands dirty, you probably dont want it enough. So when a freshfaced, squeakyclean kid from jersey city named Jim Mcgreevey won the governors office, it seemed too good to be true. So help me god. [cheers and applause] but this was jersey, so. It was. No sooner was he sworn in, and rumors started to circulate about the shady things he had done to get there. [reporters shouting at once] man come on over, governor we always had a perception that Jim Mcgreevey was unable to say no to certain powerful political allies. You have to make some deals with the devils to get the party line, get the party nomination, and mcgreevey, from my vantage point, was more than willing to do it. When it came to mcgreeveys rise in jersey, there were whispers that the devil in question was the Real Estate TycoonCharlie Kushner. Yes, of those kushners. There is speculation that kushner and mcgreevey had a quid pro quo relationship, that kushner was going to become his biggest developer, and he wanted certain things in return. Charlie kushner and the Kushner Family started to pour huge amounts of money into his campaign. These are the kinds of ways that oligarchs like Charlie Kushner develop their power. And then there were rumors that mcgreevey had hired unqualified friends for Key Administration roles. Reporter there were allegations of corruption, extortion, and nepotism in his administration. Tapper rumors of favor trading, backroom deals, and a Campaign FinanceFraud Investigation from u. S. Attorney Chris Christie were all swirling around mcgreevey, when one hot august day in 2004, he called a press conference, but instead of talking about any of that, he dropped this bombshell. So my truth is that. He was gay and having an affair with a man, and he was resigning. With headlines like these, who cares about Government Corruption . Tonight a stunning admission from new jersey governor james mcgreevey. The twicemarried father of two admitted today he had an extramarital affair with another man. It was shocking. Everybody about it was shocking. I remember one of the senior reporters at the paper, she lets out just this instinctive response of a gasp, like. [gasps loudly] mcgreeveys coming out might not seem gaspworthy today, but keep in mind, 2004 was a very different time, and the most prominent gay people that Many Americans knew were fictional characters on a tv show portrayed by actors who themselves were not openly gay. So pop culture and the media latched on to the gay jokes with the maturity of a 13yearold hopped up on pixy sticks. I mean, so the guys a fanook. [laughter] big deal, he had an affair. Every married guys got some action on the side. In this case, in the behind. [laughter] it was inexcusable, inexcusably hot. Oh. Chapter titles in Jim Mcgreeveys book. Politicians who left a bad taste in my mouth. All right, now thats just. [laughter] but heres the thing. There was such a fervor around mcgreeveys coming out that the story of all the political corruption surrounding him got lost. Mcgreevey said he felt forced to resign because he was gay. That, i think, is wrong, and i think that the people who pushed that storyline either dont know the story or dont wanna know the story. People were digging into it, and all that digging stopped when he resigned, not for that, but for being gay. While jim denies it to this day, is it possible that he didnt resign to escape the public circus around his sexuality but to escape an avalanche of other Corruption Allegations headed his way . With the benefit of a little hindsight, Jim Mcgreevey has emerged as someone both aware of and open about how he justified a series of disastrous political choices and how his overpowering ambition led him down a path of public and personal deception that seemed almost destined to implode. Governor, thanks so much for doing this. Oh, its a pleasure. So. Your story is so interesting because you were living a lie, this secret life, how did you justify this to yourself . Was this just, well, this is what gay men have to do, and i just have to pretend to be something else, and lots of other gay men are in politics pretending . Like, whathow uh, you know, i didnt wake up and say, you know, im gonna be deceptive for the sake of deceiving. Im gonna create this whole double ledger. No. I didnt make that decision prior to the gubernatorial campaign. I made it, like, at 7 or 8 years old. I can remember this as if it were yesterday. I go to my local public library, and im pulling out the card catalog looking for the word homosexuality, and it said underneath, see psychiatric illness. Really . And it was just like. [makes whooshing sound]. This thing, at least then in america, called gay, wasnt a good thing. I realized at that point in time that life is gonna be a very painful trajectory if i own this, and you just try to make an accommodation, albeit an unhealthy accommodation. But the irony is, in politics, it was actually a useful tool. Really . Because so much of the american political persona is to craft a narrative. Jim married his first wife, kari schutz, in 1991, and began to craft the false narrative that he knew would help him look the part for the role he really wanted to play. Youre perceived as straight, male, on top of the food chain. Right. And so that actually reconfirms in an unhealthy way thethethe rightness ofof the decision. [cheers and applause] Jim Mcgreevey was a very young, aggressive politician and wanted to be governor for a long time. He had gone to georgetown law school. He was a bright guy, and he also was a very ambitious guy. He was kind of a backslapping kind of guy. He wanted to be liked. He wanted you to like him. Thank you. You made my day. Thank you. I think jim clearly wanted to be governor and would do anything to get that job. Part of it was because i believe in the promise of america. I believe theres this great experiment known as american democracy, and i think i can work well with people. So much of it is also fueled by, you know, ego andand self. But i knew that these were, at that time, two mutually exclusive narratives. Ambition and being gay . Yep. Thatthat could not coexist. Chekhov has this theory about a gunchekhovs gun. Mm. If you introduce a gun in the first act of the play, its gonna go off by the third. Yeah. Yep. Was that gun. Your homosexuality, youryour being gay, or was it your ambition . It was both. It was the intersection of these two inextricable forces. At some point in time, the tragedy comes to a head. Can i get some more coffee . Is that possible . Crew yeah, absolutely. The governor will have some coffee, too. Mcgreevey yeah, yeah. Sitting across from Jim Mcgreevey now, he seems like an affable, easygoing guy, and thats exactly the political persona he cultivated to succeed in the cutthroat arena of jersey politics. By the time he ran for governor, he had been closeted for most of his life. Everyone has some level of accommodation, and for me, you want to run for governor . So you make this decision to be like what it is that america says is the right thing to do so you can flourish. Are you ready to rumble . crowd yeah the power in new jersey is who becomes governor. Reporter . The race for governor between incumbent republican Christine Whitman and the littleknown Democratic State senator, Jim Mcgreevey. Tapper because he was so little known and not independently wealthy, mcgreevey had to rely on his work ethic to get his name out. He didnt stop. Called him the energizer bunny. He just kept going and going. Reporter the governors race is tighter than ever. Tapper but work ethic could only take him so far. He lost his first race for governor by narrow margin. I would like to congratulate our governor, Christine Todd whitman for her reelection victory. [crowd booing] you lost to governor Christine Todd whitman very narrowly27,000 votes. Yes. Notnot that i remember, no. 27,000 votes. Iii actually remember where i was. Tell us about that. I was walking along the fraser river, and, um, i thought to myself, well, you know, what do i do . And there was a moment like, i can break out of this, but i have been too deeply shaped by my own history to, at that point, change the narrative. So jim dug deeper into his lie. After his first marriage ended, rather than arouse suspicion as a bachelor, he pursued his Family Man Image by marrying dina matos, an unsuspecting, pictureperfect political wife. Before long, she was pregnant, and he was running for governor again. I declare my candidacy for governor of the great state of new jersey. Jim was clearly the democratic frontrunner, and frontrunner gets you the county line. It gets you, uh, scares off your opponents. Money. [laughs] frontrunner gets money. Enter Real Estate Tycoon and democratic megadonor Charles Kushner. Bernstein Charlie Kushner is the father of former white house advisor Jared Kushner and a major new jersey real estate developer. It became clear to charlie that people with the power to make things happen were democrats and that he himself could be a kingmaker. Mcgreevey charlie was like a getitdone guy. Tapper so thatthat was an authentic connection that you had with him, you think . Yeah, oh, definitely, without a doubt. And he helped support you . He raised money . Yes. Its expensive to run statewide in new jersey. Its like a 40 million race. Oh, itsyeah. Back then. Yes. Mcgreevey needed someone like kushner to bankroll him, so kushner donated huge sums of money to jims campaign. Thank you. [cheers and applause] at the same time, there are benefits to having a governor in your back pocket. For someone like kushner, having a close relationship, who can grease all sorts of wheels such as contracts, zoning approvals, and tax abatements. Bernstein that is your ticket to power. So Charlie Kushner gave over half a Million Dollars to mcgreeveys campaign efforts. There is a word that can help you out with many ethical issues when it comes to money. That word is no. Kushner didnt just open his pocketbook for Jim Mcgreevey. Charlie would fund educational trips to israel, like the trip where mcgreevey met the man for whom he risked everything. You went to israel on a trip. Yep. And then Rishon Letzion you met golan cipel. Yes. Im traveling throughout israel, and this young person is sitting across from me, and he begins to dissect my campaign. He knows your race. He knows the race as well as i do with arguably better insights. And hes goodlooking and hes articulate. Was it an instant attraction . Yeah. Tapper and then he joined you when you mcgreevey well, he he corresponded during the course of the campaign. This is not an intellectual decision. This is not a head decision. This is a heart decision. But he meanwhile, you married dina. Yeah. In 2000. Youre running for governor in 2001. Yep. All this time, golan is making outreach to you. Well, yeah, and i think he also saw this as an opportunity, an opportunity to get involved in politics. So how cognizant were you that bringing golan cipel from israel to new jersey to be on your staff was. Setting yourself up for what happened . Thats a great question. Iii sincerely dont know the answer to that. You dont know. I dont know the answer. Golan cipel was eager to come to new jersey to join mcgreeveys campaign, but he needed papers to work legally, which would cost jim another favor from Charles Kushner, who had the businesses to sponsor the work visa. Now with all their fates tied together, mcgreevey, cipel, and Kushner Set Out To Win the new jersey governors race at any cost. Jim mcgreevey, the democratic candidate, has been able to spend 1. 7 million so far. Jim mcgreevey has spent about 20 million. I got a figure. Mcgreevey would say, how many fundraisers do we need to do . Ill be there. We have had eight years of failed leadership. Margolin ill speak. Youll pay. Ill collect. It was a welloiled machine, and everybody was working under the impression that this was the gravy train that was coming into station. Reporter Jim Mcgreevey will be the new governor of new jersey. [cheering] [amplified voice] im not anything special, but fundamentally, as i said in this campaign, im a jersey guy. [cheering] tapper in november 2001, Jim Mcgreevey was elected governor, and suddenly the whole world was watching his every move, because just two months earlier, the largest Terrorist Attack in u. S. History had occurred right nearby. Reporter New York City is in shock, and america is under siege. Tapper with terrified new jersey residents watching the horror of 9 11 from across the hudson, people were asking, how will Jim Mcgreevey keep us safe . Mcgreevey became governor just months after 9 11, the most significant Terrorist Attack on the United States in modern memory. Hundreds of new jerseyans and thousands of americans died in a single day, and now Jim Mcgreeveys constituents were demanding that Public Officials keep them safe. The city is now working on a detailed proposal to outline what they think could work. Mcgreevey lacked experience on the subject, so he needed to hire someone as a National Security advisor. He also had a seat to fill on the new York New JerseyPort Authority board, which would decide what to do with ground zero. So whom did he pick for these roles . His lover, golan cipel, and his friend and benefactor, Charles Kushner. Lets take those two bad decisions one at a time. When was it that you actually became intimate with golan . Um. Oof. I dont keep a diary. Im surprised that Jim Mcgreevey didnt remember the date, because according to his autobiography, it was one night when his wife was in the hospital recovering from the birth of their daughter. So the timing of this is interesting. You win election in november 2001. You and golan had your first actual moment as lovers in december 2001. And then a few weeks after youre sworn in, talking to reporters, you mentioned him. Yep. Publicly. Yep. In february 2002, at a meeting with the press defending new hires in Homeland Security, mcgreevey said, we will not skimp on security, and he added that golan cipel was, a Security Advisor from the Israeli Defense forces, probably the best in the world. Not probably. They do the best in the world. You still think he was qualified for that job . He washe wasnt home by the way. [stammers] he wasnt Homeland Security advisor. No, the Homeland Security advisor he was a counselor to you. Counselor, yeah. And it was one of the things in his. Yeah, that was in his portfolio. Homeland Security Advisor, had 20 years in the fbi. But i mean, sobut he you think theres something about being an israeli that does give somebody yeah, but should he been in should he at all been in that portfolio of answers . No. Clearly and unequivocally. But you brought him up. You brought him up in that meeting. You didnt bring up the fbi guy. Yep, yep. You brought up golan. Yep. I wasnti wasnt with the fbi guy. Did you want to be outed . Did you want to be discovered . Yeah. Youyouits probably a mix or components or factors as that decision making, not to practice psychiatry without a license, but at some level, i was doing something there. You know, these are great psych iiyou know, ive gotta get a therapist after having an interview with jake tapper. I dont know. I mean, like part of it was being in the closet or, you know, as they say in aa, were only as sick as our secrets. It was clearly not an astute political act. I mean, it was. Well, the next day, what happened . All these reporters were calling. Reporters were like, who is this guy . Why is there an israeli on the new jersey payroll . Which were all legitimate questions. Reporter cipel was a man mcgreevey brought to be his 6figure Security Advisor under a cloud of controversy. Golan did not have anything on his resume that would suggest a qualification for this job, and then given the fact that he was an Israeli National here on a work visa, he was not going to qualify for security clearance. Remember, its four months since 9 11. This is Homeland Security after the biggest Terrorist Attack on u. S. Soil in history. The people were like, what the hell . Yeah, its crazy. But we all didnt know it was. Jim mcgreevey hired his boyfriend to a position his boyfriend was not qualified for. There was a lot of coverage while you were governor of what was called in new jersey the pay to play. Yep. Give money to somebody. And. Of running for office and then you can get on a lucrative board of some sort. Board, yep. So Charles Kushner, you put him on the Port Authority board. Board. This is golden. The creme de la creme. Yeah. Its the economic engine, you would argue, for the region. People dont necessarily understand this, but the Port Authority is new jersey and new york, and it controls all sorts of decisions having to do with travel. Bridges. Bridges, yeah, exactly. Airports, roads, network. Ships coming in, everything. Ships, supports, development. And who gets those contracts is incredibly lucrative. Yep. I do have experience with development, approvals, um, business. This is the job that Charlie Kushner wants to be the head of the Port Authority when the whole world is focused on this piece of property. Tapper Jim Mcgreevey has consistently denied that kushner lobbied him for the Port Authority position, but in 2002, journalist ron marsico reported a different story. Jim lied. Jim didnt lie well. It was looked at as a quid pro quo for, uh, kushners political contributions, and i wrote a story about how Charlie Kushner had lobbied hard for this job. A few days later i got a call from one of mcgreeveys operatives. He said, ron, i wanna set the record straight. Charlie kushner did not lobby for that job. Charlie kushner demanded that job, ron. Determining whats in a legal quid pro quo versus just shady politics can honestly be difficult. But whats clear is that kushner bankrolled mcgreeveys campaign. People were right to be concerned about any potential conflict of interest. And when the new Jersey State Senate summoned Charles Kushner to explain himself, he backed out instead. Almost nobody noticed except for this guy. The u. S. Attorney, Chris Christie. After looking more closely at why kushner might have turned down the plum gig in order to not have to testify, Chris Christie discovered that not only did kushner funnel a suspicious amount of money to mcgreeveys campaign, the way he had donated to certain campaigns was illegal. If you are corrupting our political system, this office will bring you to justice. Charlie kushner violated fundamental principles of political giving. He would give money in the names of other people. If you are Jim Mcgreevey and you want money, this is a very beneficial practice, because it wasnt just the money that he could give, but the money that he could mobilize on someones behalf that made him particularly attractive to people running for office. He also secretly used Partnership Funds for political contributions, and when his siblings, including brother murray kushner, found out that their money was being used to fund politicians without their consent, they started cooperating with Chris Christie. If you choose to violate the law, you will be caught. You will be prosecuted. Charlie kushner gets wind of whats happening, and he thinks, what is going on is my sister and my brother are conspiring against me, and i need to shut them up. He decides to find a sex worker to proposition Charlie Kushners brotherinlaw and get it on videotape, and decides that hes going to send the videotape to his sister. Thats right, Charles Kushner tried to get his siblings to back out of testifying against him by blackmailing his brotherinlaw, his sisters husband, with a sex tape featuring a sex worker that Charlie Kushner had hired. Only in new jersey. And they now have a new charge witness intimidation. Every incredulous news report about the scandal included that in addition to being that kind of guy, Charles Kushner was also governor mcgreeveys biggest donor. It was the kind of Attention Mcgreevey really wanted to avoid, especially considering the skeletons in his closet and the one on his payroll. Mcgreevey was in full retreat. Kushners criminal Campaign Donations kept mcgreeveys name in the papers, and the governor realized he needed to clean up his act. So he ended his sexual relationship with golan cipel and terminated his contract, but it was too little, too late. In that world of new jersey politics, there was some chatter about that there was a relationship between cipel and mcgreevey. At this point, we know Jim Mcgreevey gave golan cipel a job and enabled him to get a visa. He was certainly on the radar of Statehouse Reporters and people were covering it. Nothing about the rumors about golan are provable and printable. Obviously, their relationship was strange and newsworthy. In mcgreeveys autobiography, he writes, after Press Questions about his qualifications reached critical mass, golan had taken to calling me day and night to ask for his job back. The longer i stood listening to my former lover, the closer my world came to imploding. You told him you would walk away from all of it to be with him. Yep. What did he say . No. No. Because he wanted to be with the governor, right . Yeah, thats what i believe. Yeah. He didnt wanna be with Jim Mcgreevey. Yeah, yeah. Mcgreevey kept Helping Cipel with employment and other favors, perhaps trying to keep him quiet. But in the spring of 2004, golan cipel threatened the governor that he would go public with claims he had been sexually assaulted by mcgreevey. Coming into the summer of 2004, there winds up being an unbelievable tidal wave of scandal thats crashing down on the mcgreevey administration, and in fact, its hard to find the right metaphor. Was it a circus . Mcgreeveys top fundraiser under investigation for, among other things, violating Campaign Contribution laws. Was it a carnival . Reporter mcgreevey was being undone by nasty rumors of soap opera proportions. Was it a merrygoround . Forecasters predicted that things would get worse for the governor. It was every single day. Anything to say going in . Do you feel optimistic . Oh, thank you. Hes running from reporters. He wouldnt come out for public events. Reporter 1 are you gonna leave early . Reporter 2 will you talk to us after your meeting . Tapper at this point, the Public Perception of Jim Mcgreevey had transformed from pictureperfect young governor to just another messy, corrupt new jersey politico. As the tensions built, remember that loaded chekhovs gun of political ambition and closeted identity i mentioned earlier . Well, that gun was about to go off. In that moment, mcgreevey arrived at a fork in the road where he had to, in a sense, pick his scandals. What was gonna bring him down Charles Kushner and corruption or the boyfriend . He accused you of sexual assault. Yeah, which was. And they wanted 50 million, but they would settle for 5. Yeah, exactly. I remember my attorney. He says, ive got good news and bad news. Im like, i could use some good news. All right. He came down by 95 . Bad news, he still wants 5. I said, all right, thank you. Did you think that you were gonna be able to weather the storm . No. And continue with your career . No, i didnt. Man no more audio checks. Okay. Sorry. Ill count to 4 this time. [laughter] it was a hot august day, and i was sitting in the newsroom at wnyc where i was working, and i get a call in the afternoon. [amplified voice] testing, testing, 1, 2. Editors are running into rooms. [indistinct conversations] mcgreevey i mean, theres flanks of cameras. [camera shutters clicking] parents were there. Dina was there. It was the hardest and most honest speech i had ever given in my life. I mean, obviously, i would have preferred to do it in a more lowkey, subtle way. [camera shutters clicking] margolin everybody was gathered around the televisions in the newsroom. Good afternoon. Margolin hundreds of people. It was so quiet. You could hear a pin drop, and mcgreevey says the nowfamous line. My truth is that i am a gay american. So he got there on that stage with his wife standing next to him, giving him what is the most amazing, like, four minutes of side eye that anyones ever seen. Shamefully, i engaged in an adult consensual affair with another man. There was no way that that marriage was gonna survive. So ive decided the right course of action is to resign. [reporters gasping and murmuring]. To facilitate a responsible transition. You know, my parents were there. Dina was there, and i really appreciated it. Dina was mad. Yeah, she had a right to be mad. Furious. She was mad because she felt humiliated. Yeah, and she had a right to. I was wrong. Its important not only that i recognize the damage to myself but the damage to people that i love. Reporter mcgreevey, a father of two, said he had grappled with his identity for years, was forced into what he called an acceptable reality. The National Conversation cant we let the guy be gay . Hes married, sure, but he was forced in the closet by an american puritanism. This countrywere still making it very hard for gay people to live out their lives honestly. Reporter still, there is a sense of something unsaid in this discussion, and mcgreeveys words hint at something more. It just seemed hard to believe, and it seemed hard to believe that Jim Mcgreevey was gonna resign an office that he had spent his whole life trying to get. By falling on his sword for the gay thing, there was no longer a real reason to pursue investigations. He was on his way out anyway, so whats the point of digging into his association with Charles Kushner . That all kinda went away. Thank you. What would the american public, with its puritanical streak and its obsessive interest in peoples sex lives rather think about . This. Mcgreevey made the right choice as to which scandal was gonna bring him down at that moment. [applause] tapper back in 2004, i was surprised that the news media treated mcgreeveys coming out like it was a bigfoot sighting, but in retrospect, this was really the beginning of mainstream News Organizations covering gay issues as anything other than a political liability. That was the year that that happened to you, and it was also the year that it became. A national issue. Yeah. Gay marriage was the wedge issue that president bush was using to win reelection. Yeah. Marriage is the most fundamental institution of civilization, and it should not be redefined by activist judges. 2004, everybody was antigay marriage. Mcgreevey was antigay marriage. Barack obama was antigay marriage. A man and a woman, when they get married, are performing something before god. Savage 2004, when mcgreeveys moving up, it would have been impossible to support gay marriage. And so i dont hold that against him, necessarily. I am not apologizing. But his desire to be seen as a sympathetic, tragic case, that this at all had been done to him, as opposed to the choices he had made and things he had done to others, maybe im just too catholic for that shit. My truth is that i am a gay american, and i blessed to live in the greatest nation. When mcgreevey said, my truth is that im a gay american, and immediately framed everything that would come after the resignation in that line, it set the tone. It was a spectacularly wellconceived pr strategy. Reporter Apparently Mcgreevey thinks he left office as punishment for his homosexuality. This is nonsense. If anything, his admission of sexual preference won him more support. Reporter 2 polls taken after the announcement gives the governor the highest job Approval Ratings in two years. He said he was living a dual life all these years, and now he can be free. You end up telling the truth about who you are to one of the, uh, fixers. Yeah. And his response is, thats perfect. Thatll really sell [laughter] and i thought. Youre gay holy [bleep] [laughter] mcgreevey in that moment, wrapping himself in the rainbow flag, he had no right to. Hed known he was gay forever. Why was he telling us now . Because he had to. He tried to make it seem like he was being forced out because he was gay, when that wasnt the case at all. He was being forced out because he had put a lover on a State Payroll in a position of security just months after 9 11. He had been so reckless and so unbelievably stupid, jim was forced to resign because he realized his position was untenable. Tapper im honestly torn on this. On a personal level, i know american politics then and in too many places in the u. S. Now makes it tough for Lgbtq Americans to be who they are. But as a journalist, i also know so much of what politicians do is calculated and contrived and spin. So the speech mcgreevey gave on National Television was spin, just like his entire marriage had been spin, and he made his wife play an unwitting role in both. What was her first reaction . I think confusion. I didnt even know up till, you know, a halfhour before my husband went on television what he was going to say, so i was really in a state of shock. Even though golan cipel never actually took mcgreevey to court, the damage had been done, and mcgreevey was out of office. One could only imagine that hed finish the week thinking the worst was over, but Charlie Kushner said, and im paraphrasing here, hold my beer. Reporter the spectacle of a political career derailed by a secret double life wasnt all that new jerseys resigning governor had to confront. There were some awkward stories for him and for new jersey this morning. Jim mcgreevey resigns as governor, and five days later, Charlie Kushner pleads guilty to Campaign Finance violations, tax fraud, and trying to entrap his brotherinlaw to have sex with a sex worker to intimidate his sister. It is a remarkable confluence of moments. Jersey governor really just cant seem to shake the scandal. His Biggest Campaign contributor is in federal court, billionaire real estate magnate Charles Kushner. One month after charges were brought against mr. Kushner, he has pled guilty. Charlie kushner eventually pleads guilty to 16 counts of tax fraud, witness tampering, and lying about Campaign Donations. Hes sentenced to two years. That was the end of Charlie Kushners influence over the new jersey governor. And with the engine of his Political Machine behind bars, and the Tabloids Feasting on his private life, you would think that Jim Mcgreevey was done for, but this jersey boy wasnt finished just yet. That downfall in the eyes of the world profoundly changed my life. Theres a transformative experience. You cross that abyss, and youre in a different place. Business. Its not a ninetofive proposition. Its all day and into the night. Its all the things that keep this world turning. The gotos that keep us going. The places we cheer. And check in. They all choose the advanced Network Solutions and round the Clock Partnership from Comcast Business. See why Comcast Business powers more Small Businesses than anyone else. Get started for 49. 99 a month plus ask how to get up to an 800 prepaid card. Dont wait call today. Like the psalmists of old, i have asked god to create in me a clean heart. Three months after he announced that he is gay and resigning, mcgreevey spoke of being a changed man. And so today i still have a dream. Thank you. [applause] ill never forget the day after i resigned. Before that, as governor, theres 14,000 calls, texts, calls. And then the phone goes dead. You can hear the birds. In politics, its boom. The day after, youre irrelevant. But it wasit was the beginning ofof, god willing, crossing the abyss and beginning to rebuild the life thats authentic and honest. So Charles Kushner what happened with him and his family . It was sad. I mean, hes a friend. And hes beenhes been nothing but supportive very quietly. All i can do is reflect on myself. But youre in a very different place in the second half of life. Was Jim Mcgreevey a politician who dove cleareyed into the muck, who traded favors and influence with unsavory folks to make his way to the top . Sure. Was his resignation a Public Relations master class in skirting responsibility, for, among other things, putting a lover on payroll . Absolutely. But i think at the end of the day, more than anything, Jim Mcgreevey was a guy who flatout wanted out of the persona he had created for himself, and this meant not only coming out of the closet, but out of the thunderdome of politics and ambition that had consumed him for decades. And by saying, i am a gay american at that podium, mcgreevey finally escaped two prisons of his own making. At what would seem to be the lowest moment of your political and personal life, its like the moment that you become free. Yeah. Ititsas you break through the artifice, and being closeted is just, uh, is a very toxic place. In the void that remained after mcgreeveys resignation, dina filed for divorce, and Jim Mcgreevey, without his wife, began to quietly carve out a new life for himself. Hi, sweetheart. Ive never had that happen on this show. [laughter] [applause] [amplified voice] however long of a journey it took, im very proud to be a gay american. Thank you. [cheers and applause] a lot changed in the 10 years after mcgreevey resigned. In 2015, the u. S. Supreme court legalized same sex marriage in all 50 states, and mcgreevey, who at a decade prior, opposed gay marriage, was now one of its leading advocates. Being gay isnt an option. It isnt a matter. Right. It isnt a discretion. It is who and what i am. Do you think if you had been born 20 years later. Oh, my life would have been so different. I mean, you know, it just, you know. You justyou would have been out of the closet. I would have been out of the closet. You wouldnt have married kari. You wouldnt have married yeah, exactly. I would have been in a healthy relationship. If i could rewind the tape, if i was brutally courageous, i would have said, this is who i am. I happen to be a gay american, and im not here because golan cipel is suing me on sexual harassment. Im here because i know who i am. If i could go back in time, thats the speech i would have wanted to have made, but i didnt have the courage or the wherewithal to make that speech at an earlier point in time. So i made it. At the last possible second, when iwhen i had to make it. Jim mcgreevey probably would have been an even better governor if he was able to be himself. Its a terrible thing to out someone. Mcgreevey really set in motion a set of circumstances that wound up outing mcgreevey. He outed himself. But sometimes to be outed against your will is the best thing that ever happened to you in retrospect. The moment before its terrifying, the moment it happens, its oddly freeing and liberating. That downfall was actually a path to grace. Yeah. The thing that i was most afraid of, jake, the thing that i was most afraid of, jake, was i, like, i embraced a place of total radical acceptance. Ultimately, you have the rest of your life to live authentically, and god willing, virtuously, and to do good things, and every single day, im working with addicts. Im working with people coming out of prison. Im working with combat veterans. Reporter its behind these prison walls where former new jersey governor Jim Mcgreevey has found a new calling counseling inmates and working with them to prepare for life outside of jail. I guess i just wonder, like, do you wanna show the world that you have changed . Yeah. You know, i believe in a god of second chances, and you can cross this threshold and get to a healthy place because im here with you. Im arm in arm. Im not going anywhere. So this story has a happy ending . This story has a great ending. Yeah. Jim mcgreeveys postscandal life has been a lesson in walking the walk. He is a model example of a politician turning a political downfall into an opportunity for reinvention. So it seems like mcgreevey has learned a lesson. But have we . When he resigned, we focused on the gay affair, not the Corruption Allegations, and that obsession with sex scandals, with the private lives of our politicians over the public good, or over the harm they can cause, that is still alive and kicking, and when the next scandal arrives, the hot take might not be the right one. [ bell dings ] holmes it was my home away from home. I made a few Million Dollars in las vegas. 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