Of Breaking News on the trump legal front, the judge overseeing his First Criminal Trial has just expanded his gag order. And it now includes a ban on attacking the judges family after trump went after the judges daughter. Also the former president , just posted that 175 million bond, managing to avoid the seizure of his assets and a losing his quote, babies. The big question tonight is how did he do it . And i also knew reporting for you this hour. She was once considered to be one of Donald Trumps most trusted aides. And now hope hicks is expected to be called as a Witness For The Prosecution at his First Criminal Trial. Im kaitlan collins, and this is the source the hamer really just dropped after 8 00 here tonight in new york. And you can almost feel the reaction coming out of maralago donald trump, who has never at A Loss For Words and salts may affect his match tonight. And judge juan mug shot. Thats the judge who is overseeing his criminal hush money case. And in a rare evening order tonight, just expanded that gag order on the former president , banning him from speaking about the families of the judge in the Manhattan District Attorney alvin bragg. Of course, still allowed to talk about the judge himself. And bragg, this all comes after trumps relentless attacks on judge mark, sean and his daughter, whom trump by should know identified by name to his millions of followers the judges ruling tonight that trumps railing on Family Members of the court staff and ill prosecutors and im quoting the judge now serves no legitimate purpose and merely injects fear. Im joined tonight by the former judge of the us district court, Southern District of new york, shear a shetland and judge, its great to have you here tonight, especially with this Breaking News. I just wonder first right off the bat, what do you make of the judges decision here . Well, he did exactly the right thing. This order had to cover the families of the District Attorney and the judge because theyre not part of this case, they are independent adults. They didnt sign on to become a judge, and its wrong to allow them to be attacked. So the judge did what he had to do and he did it. Well, i mean, you spent 22 years on the bench. I wonder where this behavior by the former president going after the judges daughter. I mean, obviously also attacking the judge himself and posting his picture over the weekend, but but where does that kind of behavior rank among what youve seen from a criminal defendant . Its pretty rare. It happens in some cases that are high profile that the judge will be attacked. I was attacked. Other judges have been attacked with rhetoric, but never my Family Members. And those people who did those attacks were not the kind of people who had followers who might be violent and thats whats so troubling here, is that trumps followers, when he insights them, have acted this is actually happened. It happened on january 6. It happened with an fbi office. It happened with threats to judge chutkan. So we know that his followers are capable of taking his words and then acting violently. And that didnt happen to make a judge signs on and can expect to be attacked in the press and maybe get some letters the courthouse and the marshals read those letters and offer protection, but i never felt physically threatened. It is really remarkable because weve seen the influence that he has on his supporters. And when you read the judges, judge merchans decision tonight, i mean, hes talking about how he says the average observer must now, after hearing the defendants recent attacks, draw the conclusion that if they become involved in these proceedings, even tangentially, they should worry not only for themselves, but for their loved ones is well and he said its no longer just a mere possibility or reasonable likelihood that there exists a threat to the integrity of the judicial proceedings well, again, thats exactly right because there have been instances where Family Members of judges have been hurt there was the case in new jersey where the judges son was killed. There was a case in chicago. Are the judges mother, i believe it was. And husband were attacked. A judge in a Southern District was killed in his own backyard. So there have been attacks on joggers. In fact, years ago, the judge i clerked for was sent poison candy, and his wife, eight one. And luckily, she she lives through it. So Family Members can be at risk. Theres no question about that, and its done to instill fear, as you said i. Think the immediate question that everyone has knowing donald trump and having covered him for so long, it what happens if he violates this new expanded gag order . Now thats the 64 question as they say, look, the first thing you can do is to give a warning. I think thats been covered. The next thing you can do is give fines, which is what judge engoron did. But the third step and it has to happen sometimes with contempt is actually putting somebody in the cell until they understand and that the behavior is absolutely unacceptable. Now, is that what anybody wants to do know because they would only make him a martyr so nobody really wants to put him in a cell, but he has to know, i think that that is a real possibility if he doesnt stop doing what the judges ordered, that he stopped doing. Yeah. I think the idea of seeing that happen seems so farfetched to so many people, whether youre a critic of his or a supporter, but if he does violate the gag order and he does get fine and doesnt really make a difference to him. That thread doesnt happen. I mean, wouldnt that be seen as Special Treatment . Would that happen to you or to if we i did that gag order thats exactly right. Hes again, being treated differently than any other defendant because any other defendant would be incarcerated if the fein did not stop the behavior. But weve got a problem here. This is a former president United States is a candidate for president in United States, who has his rallies and im on the Campaign Trail and its really hard to muzzle him with the threat of incarceration because as i said, that would only make him a martyr. But what can be done, the Judicial Process has to have integrity and that we cant do without that in a Democratic Society yeah. And the judge is saying here that this this isnt limiting his free speech is just protecting people. Its not because the first member is not absolute. In any event, there have always been limits when in went danger, when theres a Clear And Present Danger to someone or to lots of people. So you its not an absolute right judge. Shira can land. Its great to have you. Thank you for joining me tonight thank you for having me and that is not all of the breaking developments that are happening on the trump legal front tonight shortly after earlier tonight, we saw the judge and the criminal case releasing that expanded gag order in the civil fraud case. Here, the one where trump was failed liable for years of Business Fraud in new york, we have now learned that trump has avoided financial disaster for the time being. He has posted at 175 million bond that prevents the new York Attorney general from seizing any of his assets as he appeals that ruling here tonight is senior forms editor, forbes edit or Dan Alexander deb. Were really talking about truth social and something else. But this Breaking News just came down before the show. What do we know about how trumps secured this bond well, the company that helped him do it is called night specialty insurance company. This is a company thats part of a group of companies owned by don hanky, whos another billionaire. Hes worth about 7. 5 billion interestingly, don hanky is also the largest individual shareholder or was for several years and access financial, which provided two key loans for trump against trump tower and his golf resort, doral down in miami back when he was facing that debt crisis around the time that he came out of office two times you see this Billionaire Stepping in and saying, these are Financial Arrangements that i can do. I think that i can make money on these and essentially saving trump oh, thats pretty remarkable that its, its coming from someone that he has gone to before yeah. Thats right and don heck, hes an interesting guy. He made his fortune in Subprime Auto loans. So this is somebody whos comfortable with lending money to people that other people wouldnt necessarily want and give money to. Hes a strictly numbers guy whos going to look at this and say, okay, yeah, hes got the collateral. Hes got the cash, which trump does. I can do this bond and were going to make money on it. And thats the end of story. And thats how trump ultimately was able to secure this. Well, on that front, trump had said a few things when this bond was reduced when he couldnt pay what it was initially. But when it was reduced, he kinda had said he would use collateral or cash. Then he said pretty definitively onetime leaving court that he was going to do in cash. Do we know what was the case here . Well, this was a bond, so you would expect that it would be collateral that he had posted not expect that the collateral that he posted with night insurance was kept cash. And when i say cash, i mean liquid assets. So you can take stocks, you can take bonds, you could take actually cash sitting a bank account all, of which trump has plenty, but if you add all of that up to serve a liquid assets category, youre looking at roughly 400 million for donald trump. And now between this one and the E Jean Carroll won the majority of his cash is now tied up in these bond agreements. And so thats going to limit his ability to grow. Or expand his business even to operate its business very freely. Thats interesting. And i mean essentially what this company is doing is saying that if he loses the appeal and he doesnt pay that, they will cover that 450 million judgment. I mean, but what this means as far as next steps, is it that the Attorney General herere cannot take any action for months against his properties until the appeal actually plays out. Thats right. So trumps properties will not be seized right now, which is really good news for him. The Attorney General had already started filing some documents that suggested that she might be going after even small assets that could have been really, really disastrous for trump because if she had started seizing small asset, selling them at fire sale prices then collecting little amounts of cash via several assets all of a sudden his empire could have gotten a lot smaller very, very fast. Now hes able to hold that off in hopes that he wins this appeal where hes maybe able to lower his judgment or Something Like that and be able to escape this without as much damage as you would have had . If he had had to pay the initial judgment at the outset or if he had had to go through the fire sale process. Well, one thing we had talked about you and i when it was how is he going to pay the patho billiondollar judgment that he clearly couldnt was truth, social, and the fact that it was going public and it started trading and he kinda stood to get this massive windfall from it, even though as you correctly predicted, you said it wasnt it didnt have the profitability that people were assuming it did. And when it actually went on the market, you predict that was going to change. I mean, we basically saw that that play out today yeah, thats right. The stock tanked today wipe 2 billion off of Donald Trumps net worth in a day. But have you had said, you know, 1 billion comes and and goes these days for donald trump. Hes going to have a very, very volatile fortune because so much of it is tied to this stock. Now, this thing is going to trade like a meme stocks. So yes, today there was bad news. They announced that they had lost a ton of money through 2023. Their revenues were declining on a quarterly basis. All the sorts of things that if you were a serious investor looking at the financials of this company, would give you a lot of concern. However, in this case, its going to be interesting to see how this plays out over the long term i wouldnt be shocked if the stock bounces right back up and then bounces back down and just, you yoes around because its so divorced from the logic or the numbers, the financials of this company. And its still all through it came down along way today as much longer way to go down before these numbers start making any sense. But i mean all of this had to do is because this is a 58,000,000 loss last year after a 50,000,000 gain in 2022. I mean, what does that how did people operate . But knowing what they know now, now that they can actually see the hard numbers about what truth social does or doesnt really have to offer yeah. Well, the key numbers to look at here are what the Operating Profits are of this company and whats really bad for trump is that in the last quarter of 2023, the Operating Loss was roughly 5. 3 million, which was up from its previous loss. The prior quarter of about 3 million. And that it looks like its the are just Operating Loss since this company has started taking in revenue. Thats a real problem. Now when you get to the bottom line, theres a bunch of sort of Financial Instruments in terms of debt, converted equity and that sort of stuff that goes into that final total. But if you look at the operating number, its a much Cleaner Number and it doesnt look good for chunk. Now, keep in mind the sorts of people were really excited about this and investing in, they one day too are not the people who are going to be looking to to closely at these numbers day alexander, you called it. 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