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Im Sunlen Serfaty in washington and this is cnn can doctors per divide abortions as part of critical Emergency Care even when theres a ban in that state Supreme Court taking up that case in a contentious hearing with both sides demonstrating outside plus congress coming to campus, House Speaker mike johnson heading to Columbia University a school thats been paralyzed by propalestinian protests. He may have a message for the schools president that its time to step aside and tennessees new plan to keep students safe, flooding, teachers carry guns one year after a shooter killed six people in nashville will speak to a parent who sends her kids to the same school for her take on the new law. Were following these major developing stories and many more all coming in right here to Cnn News Central the future of Abortion Access is once again in the hands of the Supreme Court. And right now, the justices appeared deeply divided over the latest case to come before them at issue is whether hospitals can provide an abortion to a woman during a medical emergency that isnt considered lifethreatening . Federal law would normally require doctors to provide that care. The Biden Administration is challenging one of the most restrictive Abortion Laws in the country in idaho. The law their bands, the procedure in nearly all cases with an exception to save the mothers life. Now the justices will begin drafting an opinion with a ruling expected by the end of june and its a decision that could have major implications for millions of women, emergency rooms, and for providers across the country for more on this, lets bring in cnn senior Supreme Court analyst joan biskupic, a joan, any indication based on what weve heard today on where the justices are on this. Well, a couple of things. First of all, it was a very vigorous set of arguments and to your point about how much this can affect things nationwide, there are at least six other states that are as restrictive as idaho, and there are more than 20 states that have new Abortion Regulations in the wake of the ruling two years ago that reversed roe v. Wade nearly a halfcentury of Abortion Rights the justices have already allowed the idaho law to take effect. So thats already a signal that theyre certainly open to it. And i have to say many of the justices on this conservative dominated court were very skeptical of the governments arguments looking at maybe the government reaching too far into state, state the medical issues that states should have authority over and were going to play a clip from that. But then im also going to mention a little caveat about some of the concern of whats actually happening on the ground. But lets hear first from Justice Neil Gorsuch was Donald Trumps first appointee to the Supreme Court. And some of his skepticism were going to essentially regulate the practice of medicine in the states through the Spending Clause. The answer, i think is yes, congress could prohibit Gender Reassignment Surgeries across the nation. They could ban abortion across the nation through the use of its Spending Clause already, right . Congress does have Broad Authority under the Spending Clause and yes is if it satisfies the conditions that the Spending Clause themselves itself requires, then i think that that would be valid legislation and the court had in many contexts recognize spent in Class Legislation Preempts so to the answer is yes. Okay yeah. I mean, it his point was that youre pushing pretty far here, but she kept trying to build in some restrictions. Basically the point from the government, from Elizabeth Prelogar, the solicitor general, is that theres really only a small category of cases, small but very profound and important were a woman health is seriously at risk. Whether her, her reproductive ability, whether she would have any kind of Organ Failure that doesnt rise to write frankly on deaths doorstep, which is the finding that idaho wants. Is that a woman has to there has to be a fear of death. Now, lets hear from Justice Elena kagan, who was one of the many justices who tried to get at what exactly is going on on the ground and how has this law already actually affected care in idaho . Read recently that the hospital that has the greatest Emergency Room Services in idaho has just in the few months that this has been in place, had to airlift six pregnant women to neighboring states. Whereas in the prior year, they did one the entire year. So if mr. Turner is right about what the state is trying to convey to hospitals about when therell be prosecuted like, why is this happening . Yeah. She was referring to Joshua Turner who was arguing on behalf of the state, who essentially said theres no real problem here that the government itself is overreading what this Emergency Medical Act would entail, and that the state is actually in sync with what it would entail. But i just wanted to say one last thing about the and a concern that Justice Elena kagan raised about how this plays out on the ground. Even some of the conservatives who are in the middle of the court, like Rick Kavanaugh and amy coney barrett, they seem to be a little concern there, but bottom line, the justices have already allowed this idaho ban to take effect. Joan biskupic really intense arguments before the court. We appreciate you bringing us up to speed. Lets turn now to jessica levenson. Shes a Law Professor at loyola law school, also the host of the passing judgment podcast thanks so much for being with us, jessica, i am curious to get your perspective on the fact that idahos attorneys are viewed that this federal reading of the law doesnt conflict with the states law. The federal government through the solicitor general, argued that there is a conflict even though it is narrow where do you come down on this . Well, i think this is exactly what you have to argue either if youre the government, the federal governments attorney, or the state governments attorney because thats what it all comes down to. Yes. This case is all about abortion. And yes, we are back here talking about abortion after we just talked about the big mifepristone dont case. After the court in 2022 said, were getting out of the business of talking about state abortion bans. But this is a different question. Its all about whether or not this federal law that youre joan talking about and this state law actually do conflict because if they do, then the answer is easy. Then we know that under so the Supremacy Clause of the constitution is the federal law that prompts it least where there is a conflict and thats why you have idaho saying these two things can live together. Theres no problem. And thats why you have the Biden Administration saying only in these narrow exceptions because Elizabeth Prelogar does understand that she doesnt want this to look like federal overreach only in these narrow circumstances, there is a conflict and therefore, the federal law, which allows doctors to provide abortions if it stabilizing care, even if its not healthsaving care, the federal law would trump it seems that there is this situation, jessica, where some of these patients are being treated like hot potatoes, right . There in the, youve got ers in some cases that dont even want to treat them because theyre worried that maybe their care at that very moment, it may not be emergent amina b. An emergency situation, but it will become one almost definitely in some of these cases, this issue to came up today of Prosecutorial Discretion, talk to us a little bit about what that means and how thats interacting with Hospital Decisions about whether they are giving women care that a reasonably i think a lot of folks might think they should yes. There was an important discussion just to your point about whether or not we would defer to dr. For instance, that they intact do need to perform an abortion because it is stabilizing care and at what point would idaho say . No, were not deferring to you. Were not different bring to your good faith belief. And so theres this discussion about do the doctors need to have a subjective or objective, reasonable belief that this type of care they need to provide and the issue of Prosecutorial Discretion comes in where you heard the justices say, but what if a doctor after says, i really believed at can the state prosecute anyway, and thats the question of Prosecutorial Discretion. Can a District Attorney can the Attorney General say we dont believe you and therefore, we are subjecting you to prosecution in just the threat of that prosecution is where you you can obviously see a real and immediate Chilling Effect on doctors. And that of course, deeply affects women on the ground who are seeking medical treatment. Yeah, were seeing that Chilling Effect. Its its the air lifts that are coming this past year that that didnt come the year before, jessica levinson. Thank you so much. We really appreciate your insights thank you. Were following what really appears to be an escalating demonstration at the University Of Texas Austin right now, youre looking at live pictures coming to us from then. This is, or this is moments ago, i should say an austin the Palestine Solidarity Committee of austin says this is a walkout and occupation of the school south line. We want to talk to Emilio Kimball about what were witnessing in austin right now. Shes the associate Managing Editor for the Student Newspaper there, the daily texan emilio describe the situation on the ground and what precipitated it so before processor has been gathered today State Troopers were on campus. Theyre in full riot gear there on motorcycles and on horseback. We have State Troopers, university of texas police, and Austin Police all here students students gathered in a central area of campus and then were to order to disperse within two minutes and then arrest started being made. There haveeen threarrest mates so far, at least o of thosconfirmed a students okay. At least one them confirmed a student. And what else are you seeing happening at this point in time . How are students responding and were they expecting anything like this . No, i dont think students were expecting this kind of response theres here are no plans to set up an encampment. There was only supposed to be a demonstration in a march. And so i dont think students were expecting this kind of response some students have dispersed, others are remaining in the crowd currently stay true in riot gear ha formed a blockade tir holdings, a towards students and there have been some physical struggles between police and students lets step back and give us some context to what things have been like on campus. Gng back to when we started seeing these kinds of demonstrations pop up. What is the climate been like . Theyre up until now so there has been i would say, a moderate sized movement in solidarity with palestine on campus this is certainly the most significant demonstration we had so far since, since kober but there was an interest in demonstrating solidarity with students at columbia and other universities around the country. And thats this demonstration was planned and just to let our viewers know, again emilia, were looking at live pictures now coming from ut austin. We see one person there, a man being arrested by State Troopers and you said we can see them there there there there there in riot gear. Tell us about again, how they showed up. What kind of Law Enforcement interaction there had been prior to this . It sounds like this all developed pretty quickly. It did, yeah. So i think the university and the police had had gotten wind of this demonstration being planned, and State Troopers were on campus hours prior to the actual beginning of the demonstration which is which has not happened at this scale at any of the, any of the, any of the prior demonstrations weve had in the last few and interactions between students and the police have been really ten. Some students that choose to disperse whenever arrests were threatened others have had stuck with the crowd and lots has been are a few at least have been jostled, pushed and or arrested by the police. Do you know emilia if there was any communication between the Demonstration Organizers and the Schools Administration about their expectations for today, did they the university give any warning as to what response there might be or any parameters for the demonstration there was a communication that i got access to that went out to University Staff that the university apparently told the organizers of thevent that it was not allowed to proceed. His being i dont kn, sometime last night or this morning . And so i think i think the university had told demonstrators not not to proceed with the event and students it anyway, thats all i know about about that communication though. All right. Amelia, lets listen just for amelia, stay with us. Lets just listen into this two here what is happening there on campuses for a moments ago and ut austin, lets listen shes got and value is were listening to this. Can you just tell us what were listening to hear it sounds we were hearing yells from troopers to disperse. And then it sounds like were hearing it was almost like panic gills coming from protesters i did just see a few protesters run out of the crowd, one in tears i dont know exactly what happened but there does seem to be like some escalating levels of distress protesters are continuing to chance the police are forming like multiple blockade to keep protesters from moving kimball. Thank you so much for bringing us the latest from the university of texas at austin will of course, keep an eye on the situation theyre one of many ten scenes playing out across College Campuses all over the country following israels response to hamas deadly attacks on october 7 we are also closely watching a planned visit by the speaker of the house, mike johnson to the campus of Columbia University later this afternoon to address some of the demonstration fins. 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