Physically, remove them, and take them to the transport vehicle. Chief ramsey are present your time. Nick watt as well. Well continue following the story throughout the night. The news continues. The source with Kaitlan Collins starts now Breaking News from the source tonight, brand new indictment against Donald Trumps close this is the allies, including mark meadows and rudy giuliani. Now charged with conspiracy, fraud, and forgery in arizona, part of that Fake Electors plot to overturn the election. Trump himself, though, an Unindicted Coconspirator my source tonight is mark meadows is onetime top aide and confidant turned witness against her former boss and donald trump, Cassidy Hutchinson. Hutchinson is here hours or where the Supreme Court takes on the enormous question tomorrow, our president s Above The Law . Also a major decision is still looming tonight for trump in that hush money case over former president be punished for his repeated apparent violations of that gag order. Really the bigger question, how im Kaitlan Collins and this is the source were going to get right to that Breaking News tonight as former top aides, attorneys and allies all close to donald trump with that in common, have now just been charged in the state of arizona over their efforts in the Phaco Lecture Scheme to help trump desperately tried to overturn the election that he lost and to keep himself in power. 11 people in all have been charged among them, rudy giuliani, former white house Chief Of Staff, mark meadows, boris epshteyn, name you may not be familiar with. This is the first time hes been indicted, but also a former trump aid or i should know, it remains to this day, one of his closest top advisers, also protrump attorney john eastman, former Trump Campaign lawyer, jenna ellis, along with 2020 Campaign Official mike roman. Donald trump himself. You dont see his picture there. Hes an Unindicted Coconspirator. We are told this indictment includes charges ranging from conspiracy and forgery to engaging in fraudulent schemes this is arizonas Attorney General, kris mayes, announcing these indictments tonight. The people of Arizona ElectedPresident Biden, unwilling to accept this fact. The defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency whatever their reasoning was, the plot to violate the law must be answered for an i was elected to uphold the law of the state lets get straight to, the source tonight with Cassidy Hutchinson, a former top aide to mark meadows, and now a frequent target of Donald Trumps after her explosive testimony before the january 6 committee. And cassie, its great to have you here tonight. I should note we had already scheduled in an interview with you before this news broke this indictment that was just handed up in arizona, that it doesnt name your former boss because his name is redacted, but cnn has confirmed that mark meadows is one of the people who has been indicted here. I mean, this is now the second time hes been indicted. What do you make of this . Caitlin its indictment did two straps. I havent had a lot of time to process it. Ive said for a long time since the day that i decided to come forward and comply fully with the january 6 committee that i hoped mark already had been doing the right thing with the Justice Department and ive said every times been asked since and i believe this way that i wish that he would you know, i think its unfortunate that at appears that there are still people not complying fully with their civic duty that they owed the American People oh, but i cant really say im overly surprised at this point either why why do you think youre not surprised . I think when looking back at the last few years, there have been a lot of people not just mark people in the former president s orbit some who have also been indicted, but people who were also just complicit in their silence around things. And i think whether you are close to donald trump or you worked for donald trump, we all owe the American People the truth about donald trump. We owe them the opportunity to know who he actually is and its not easy. I was very loyal to donald trump when i worked for him and it took me a long time to make that break der lot of consequences you have to weigh when you make the break with trump world but what i fear more is the deceit that donald trump will continue to perpetuate if more people dont stick up for the truth it must feel really surreal. Just, i mean, you worked with mark meadows on the hill. I remember when i was covering the white house and you worked there you are kind of everywhere that he went, you were on air force one, you were in his office, you worked right outside of it it must know what really surreal to see him get indicted a second time. Its really sad i was really close with mark. I really believed in mark as a principle thats why i chose to take drop with the Chief Of Staff so its difficult to see him in this position. But i think on the greater scale to free look at how mr. Trump has conducted himself through his Business Career and also his political career i almost relate it to bodies around him, but he takes out everybody who is loyal to him because its all about his personal gain and what he can gain from those people. Donald trump is inherently about himself. Thats why america is in the position that it is today because he did not want to give up the presidency and now running again and hes been indicted in multiple jurisdictions. It reminds me of what bill barr told me. He was sitting in that same seat that you are now and he said, but trump kinda like leaves this path of carnage in his wake of people who sign up to go work for him and then end up with their names in an indictment. Yeah. Its people go i would hope for the most part you go into Public Service to serve the American People. And its incumbent upon all of us whether youre a Public Servants or its citizen of this country, to make sure that were maintaining our Democratic Institutions donald trump does not show respect for our Democratic Institutions. In fact, i would argue he shows the exact opposite. He shows contempt or institutions but when you signed up to go into Public Service, thats not what you sign up to go into. And i think there are a lot of people who like myself who believe theyre going there to do the right thing and to serve the american when people and they get caught up in something thats so much more dangerous and they actually anticipated. But i think there are some people that went in with their eyes wide open and unfortunately they knew and they feel that their loyalty is o to donald trump in this next election cycle, especially as we look ahead towards the Supreme Court arguments starting tomorrow, its really important to stress that the American People were not given the truth about donald trump in 2016. And he one he almost wanted 2020 and he very welcome glenn again, if the American People do not are not made aware of who he actually is, do you think mark meadows is one of those people who went into it with his eyes wide open that he knew what he was getting into i cant i cant comment on that specifically. I cant crawl into the psyche if mark meadows at the time that i worked for him, i believe that he wanted to serve the American People i cant comment, especially now on how he sees his role participating in some investigations are not at all. And you havent spoken to him in a long time . No not since january 20, 2021. Wow. I mean, he has kinda downplayed his role and the Fake Electors Scheme, which is what these former trump aides and those close to him, rudy giuliani, boris epshteyn, are getting indicted for here. What do you remember about what he was doing between when trump had clearly lost the election and up to january 6, mark was involved in almost everything he was feeding a lot of information to a lot of different people. So some days i felt that mark would acknowledge that mr. Had lost the 2020 election. Mark had believed that himself but then thered be other days while i was working from our where i sort of question my own belief that because it seemed like he was also feeling the Conspiracy Theories and the lives surrounding the 2020 election now we have the power of hindsight. And thanks to a lot of the work done by the january 6 committee, and also what we have known for limited public releases from jack smith and his team its a lot more intricate than even what i knew. I was privy to a lot with mark. I was not privy to everything so when i look at his role in the post2020 election, he was involved in a lot, but he also knows a lot. Hes a person that has critical information, i believe in every single investigation, he owes a to himself. He owes it to the American People and he owes it to the duty that he swore to defend and protect constitution to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth to every investigator. Did you talk to investigators for this . Im not going to comment on investigators. I may or may not have spoken with in the past but what i will say is moving forward i will comply fully with any cooperation they ask me. Do you remember mark meadows ever saying that trump did lose the election in that time period, acknowledging that he, that he had lost. Yeah. I mean, mark and i had conversations is early. I cant remember the exact date off the top of my head, but about potentially moving to florida with the former president mark was having meetings with people about a biden transition. So there were times that mark would seem to acknowledge these things. And its consistent with the testimony that ive given to every investigative body that ive spoken with in the last couple of years, which was just a few. Its many at this point but then thered be other days to that and some of it has been released, but he was texting back and forth with the team crazies about promoting these Conspiracy Theories. And he was putting this information in front of the president s two. So again, its difficult its hypothesize or speculate about what marc truly believed yeah. Ill ill leave it at that. You read through this and theres all these names of Arizona State officials, people who worked in the white house and the Trump Campaign that are indicted here in this elec Fake Electors Scheme. The one person whos not, here. This is how we figured out that it was mark meadows is because it said he was Unindicted Coconspirator one Chief Of Staff, Unindicted Coconspirator wanted is donald trump . I mean what do you make of the fact that rudy giuliani, mark meadows, boris epshteyn, Christina Bob. Theyre all indicted here. But donald trump is not yeah, i have not had time to read through it. Its a bit curious because this is the first indictment that has been brought trump is not, i guess michigan but yeah, he was indicted. George obviously. Correct. Along with everybody else i dont i dont know. I i dont im not sure on that one. You mentioned the Supreme Court, the hearing tomorrow on immunity. Its really remarkable because what trump is basically arguing is that hes covered because what he was doing to try to overturn the election, they argue were official acts i mean, when you look at that, his lawyers were say, hes just doing his job. But is that how you saw it when you are inside the white house that trump is fulfilling the duties of the president at that no from the moment that mr. Biden now President Biden was declared the winner. I felt strongly that he did win the election. He want it fairly and a lot of my former colleagues, i believe, also felt the same way i dont believe under any circumstances of president have the authority to thwart the results of a legitimate election go through multiple processes to try to skew the election in his favor. And as a last resort order, a mob to attack the foundation of our government because their ego is so wounded that they lost an election and they will not just admit defeat located on and well talk about leadership and the next election and the Supreme Court. And we tie all this together in communicating with the American People policy is important for who elect to the oval office but what i argue, especially in this next election cycle is the character of the individual matters far more than any policy that they may or may not implement. Donald trumps character has an evident for very long time. But hes had a team of people around him who have really isolated him in this false identity of a strong man. And somebody that truly believes that they want the best for the American People. Thats what he has action show those. Hes not for the American People, hes for himself, hes willing to go to whatever necessary to make sure that he is not put in prison like he is currently facing at the American People dont know the truth about him its important at the Supreme Court acknowledges that he does not get to evade consequence and accountability for this. But its also really important that we hold him accountable in the public court of Public Opinion as well. Its safe to say youre not going to be voting donald trump. My door is and has been completely shut to voting for donald trump in 2024. Does that mean youll consider voting for President Biden i would absolutely consider voting for President Biden. I would encourage other i would never tell americans how to vote, but i do know there are a lot of americans who currently are on the fence about who to vote for these are active conversations that we need to engage in over the next six, seven months but i would encourage people on that fence to really do a deep dive and look at the damage that donald trump has done to our democracy and what he would continue to do In A Potential Second Trump Term and to really weigh that when theyre considering who to vote for and to tie all this together, the Fake Electors Scheme trump running for office. Again, the people that hes been considering for Vice President , weve interviewed some of them and asked, would you do it . Mike pence did. On january 6, several of them is dead. No. Mean the solder Republican Party has been completely you served and taken advantage of by donald trump, and thats something that he has done somewhat accessible, yelled at him, credit words do. Hes a very good liar, manipulator, and he has manipulated the entire are almost the entire Republican Party especially in congress right now to be the party of his image. And its really unfortunate that we see a lot of individuals who i once regarded as nobilo states men or the future of the Republican Party to disregard the rule of law and the constitution in the way that they are now Cassidy Hutchinson i want you to stick around. I would just have a few more questions for you on some really important issues, including what trump has been saying about you personally in recent weeks and months. Well be back in just a moment, but much more of our oneonone interview, the Cassidy Hutchinson freeze, dryness, breakage, new dove, ten and ones serum hair mask with Peptide Complex fortifies hairballs a molecular level helps reverse ten signs of damage in one minute keep living real key, preparing hey, theyre brenda. Its carroll exactly, which like are we operating on . You mean arm . 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