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Com if you or a loved one have mesothelial will send you a free book to answer questions you may have call now and well come to you 808 to one 4,000 this is cnn Breaking News we are following Breaking News right now at multiple College Campuses around the country right now, Columbia University in a tense standoff earlier today, School Officials gave propalestinian protesters a 2 00 p. M. Eastern deadline to leave their encampment or face suspension, and youre looking at images from earlier today on Columbia Universitys campus the protesters there at columbia, they held a vote, they rejected that ultimatum from university administrators. They are now in circling the camp and there is a big question, how will the university respond . Cnns omar jimenez has made his way onto Columbia Universitys campus. So former. What are you seeing and what are the students telling you yes. All right. Now, weve been Walking Around at different parts of the campus and what were seeing right here, this is the entrance to the encampment right here. Faculty have actually come over here and locked arms at the entrance of the encampment. Here we spoke to one of the professors earlier and he told us that hey did not think that the students here should be suspended merely for protests. In fact, you to use his words, he believed the university was criminalizing protest after, of course, referencing when the nypd was sent in in the initial phases of this, i also want to bring in because obviously students have been negotiating with the university throughout all of it. I want to bring him up. Mahmoud khalil thank you so much for taking the time. I know i know you have been speaking to the university trying to negotiate on behalf of the encampment. Are you guys going to listen to the university and leave the encampment here . Of course not. The university is the one who should listen to us. They should listen to their student buddy, who are demanding to end. There their investment and award thats happening in palestine i would our demands it clear our demands regarding divestment from from the Israeli Occupation that companies profiting and contributing to the genocide of our people again, the university, once again, they are so stubborn and listening thanks to their students they, they, they are treating this method as a disciplinary matter. They not theyve not treating this as an Antiwar Movement and Antiwar Movement that, that actually god, theres thousands of students here that actually spark thousands of students across the United States and so when that 2d pm deadline came, obviously were seeing the encircling protest. What happened leading up to the 2 00 p. M. Deadline. I understand there was a vote leading into it. And then how did this protests began to unfold . One that were seeing right now . In various this morning that they send notices to these students that they should disperse by 2 00 p. M. Otherwise, they will face they will face suspension and maybe expulsion thinking that this is threatening tactic, well well stop these students from, from being here and university does not understand that this is nothing compared to what its happening to the people of gaza. All the students sayyed, we are well aware of this and they are willing to take the risk until columbia divests. And what do you say to the folks that look, there have been many jewish students. Weve spoken to who have said that the encampment just is not created an environment where they feel safe here on campus so much so to the point that theyve gone home what do you say to those folks who say . Urine cabinet has created an unsafe environment here, this encampment again is a movement for social justice, for equality, for liberation our, our jewish brothers since this, this odd part of this movement, in fact odd, odd, an integral part of this movement. And we believe that the liberation of palestine and the jewish people are intertwined and they go hand in hand and not, not the kind of antisemitism symmetric. This is kind of the rhetoric that some politicians in this country used to to crack down in this such movements and look to this point, the university came out this moment and that this morning and said, we are not going to divest in israel how far are you all willing to go here on campus . Were going to go as far as as as we need to do to pressure the university from from the question of the infested today, vessels from the occupation. This is up to the group, to the leadership of the group to decide how, how far they it will go. But now its clear that a student, its would remain here. They will stay here until they achieved their their demands for let you go ahead. You have you received notification from the university that people are actually being suspended right now already only this morning, we received only one notice from the university so the students here, they were handed these notifications im not a participant inside the inside the encampment. Mode play representative outside of the encampment, just in case the university decides to close this in caffeine while i appreciate you taking the time. Those who dont know my mood has been coming out here and sort of as you said, acting as a Student Representative here, we talked a little bit about the antisemitism at some jewish students have faced here on campus. Thats something that the university has pushed and said that is its that theyve dealt with the president of the universitys even all that dynamic, very tragic. But as you heard from him and as we have seen as well, there also have been jewish students who have taken part in some of these protests. And as you can see, weve showed some of the faculty he, that have linked arms at the encampment as well. You see the circling of these protesters, many of whom were actually inside the encampment prior to this. So obviously this city tuition that is continuing to develop this afternoon again, well past that initial 2 00 p. M. Deadline all right. Lets go now were watching these pictures at the University Of Texas At Austin, where you see protesters who are trying to encircle an encampment. There and resist as police are trying to stop them from establishing an encampment. They are being arrested by Law Enforcement. There. We have chief ramsey with us to talk a little bit about what were seeing here. This is the according to a State Senator chief the university had said that they really wanted to avoid there being some permanent encampment. And what we have seen here, and its hard to see because there are so many people is that there was a very small encampment that was being set up. And this is in the area where lawn. This is the area where commencement is going to take place. But tell us about what you see happening here, especially in light of what happened last week where there were dozens of arrests. And yet all charges were dropped and the university actually back pedaled and ended up allowing all of the students who were arrested back on campus well, first of all, is as far as the encampments though, may start off small, but i guarantee you they grow in size and so the sooner you disassemble the encampments, the better off you are, because it becomes more difficult over time. Youre already seeing in austin some of the problems are having in trying to arrest some of the demonstrators that are resisting. So i think its really wise to try not to let the encampments get get started to begin with. So thats what youre basically seeing now in austin of course columbia, you have a very large encampment there now i dont know. Its going to take place, but im sure that at some point in time, the university will request police to come in and clear that as well. Chief ramsey stay with us. I want to go straight to our ed lavendera, whos on the campus of ut at austin. Added does appear like things have escalated in the past few moments. Weve seen more arrests. We can see those pink tshirts of what i believe are medics who appear to be treating some of those protesters. What are you seeing . Yeah. Weve seen a couple of times where medics have gone inside the encircled area and pulled some people out, but we have also now seen State Troopers going im starting to forcibly remove some of the protesters by our count and its a rough estimate at this point, so were in the process of trying to gather this, but we think weve seen about at least six different protesters that have been taken into custody and the way its playing out here, alex, is that as the State Troopers have encircled this cabinet, they are clearly like going through and isolating individual people. And then theres a group of four or five, six officers that will go in im specifically grab one person and pull them out so suspecting that these are probably people they suspect of being ring leaders or people who they believe are agitating others inside of the encampment area. And thats kind of the operation in the mode that weve seen officers kind of going in and slowly removing people. Theyve been also going around this area, small and canada, which is i dont want to estimate the number of people in there but its i cant imagine its more than 100 people inside the area that theyre describing as a liberated zone here in the south mall of the university of texas and there are a handful of tents, but these officers have also been going through removing tables that they were using as a barricade is a wall to protect their inquiry closure. And many of these protesters are locked in arms. Theyve been there now sitting down on the ground. And here you see another group of officers making their way back inside the circle. Well here these are some of the officers that have been slowly removing each individual protester. Theres another one that we see is in custody now, so just a a slow operation of taking people into custody one and it appears like at least for the time being, and that is the scene that weve seen unfold here for the last hour alex i mean, ed, is this i think we have to think back to last week where, you had arrest. I wonder if youre observing in anything different today compared to how last week was handled, does it appear different to you . How Law Enforcement is reacting its different in the sense that last week the protesters were on the move. They were moving from one part of camp because and trying to get into this particular area what is different today is that the protesters and in a way that i think perhaps caught a lot of people off guard, they were in this area of the campus on the south mall, kinda doing very quiet poetry readings. There was some Artwork Sessions that were going on, people making Protest Signs and that sort of thing. So it had the air of just being a very peaceful, calm situation. Can end up about 100 yards away. There was a group of professors that were holding a silent vigil. And then as soon as that silent vigil broke up hes protesters appeared to quickly scramble and set up this round barricade using the Folding Tables that have been brought out here for what had been described as an educator missional time, or educational protest, if you will. And also the number of tents that you see inside the circle. There. So this situation is different from last week we on in the sense that this is one focused in one fixed area where the protest is taken place. What we saw last week was a situation where they were people kind of moving. It was much, much larger in terms of the numbers of people who work here on this campus. This is an area that is very small compared to what we saw last week can also compare just to the university as a whole. And then the the State Troopers that have been circled this encampment. This is exactly this is the only area where were seeing any kind of this kind of activity taking place right now ed, your Photographer Shot is very helpful right now, because now we can see how big that encampment is in the middle of that campus, where you see what it appears to be a relatively small gathering, not that huge of protesters there in the middle that have been completely encircled by those State Troopers, some facing inwards towards the protestors, some facing outwards to keep others like the journalists and other spectators that weve seen away. Ed lavendera, i want you to stay with us as we bring in cnns job hush campbell, who is not only our inhouse security expert, but also i believe an alum of ut josh, when you look at this scene where you have multiple Law Enforcement agencies, we now have a better sense of the size of this encampment. Weve seen a handful of arrests ed lavendera put it it around half a dozen. He believes. What do you make of what were looking at and what we might be able to expect in the coming moments. While this is certainly an escalation by Law Enforcement, there at ut, and this is multiple agencies. Were seeing both utp de the campus police, austin police, as well as the texas State Troopers that are there and theyre crowd control gear. Now this is much more organized. I will say then the incident that we saw last week on the campus of ut, which was a lot more confrontational that we obviously saw over 60 people that were arrested there during those skirmishes. But as weve been reporting on these various incidents the colleges across the campus, it has come down to Law Enforcement called upon by these universities in order to remove trespassers from their property. And weve been reporting as these things kicked off, that regardless of where one falls on this ongoing debate over the israelhamas war, that theres no First Amendment right in the to protest on private property when the university says, we want this group disbursed, that then comes down to Law Enforcement to try to do that. Obviously, the hope is that that would be done in a way that is not that doesnt increased tensions. That obs for deescalation. What we saw just a short time ago as ed was reporting there on the scene, is that the first group of officers . To move in . Were local police who essentially move to disassemble this Makeshift Camp that group that youre seeing there right now on the ground, they were surrounded by various tables that they had set up. And other items that were essentially in circling them. We saw the police move in, pull those items out, and we saw, as you mentioned, about half a dozen people well taken away. We dont know if there placed under arrest or simply detained, but what we can expect right now by this Law Enforcement president s is that obviously their goal is to try to get the group to leave on their own. But if they dont, we will then see likely Law Enforcement then move in to try to detain individuals one by one. We see some of the officers there with those plastic with the call flex cuffs, those are used weve seen a lot of those then brought into that area essentially a way to restrain individuals once you actually detain them. But again, this appears to be much more a coordinated of an effort than weve seen. And we saw last week and at other colleges as well as ed lavendera was mentioning and that is an alarm of uti as well. This place where this is happening is perhaps one of the most iconic spots after ut campus. You can see in the background there the Texas State Capital behind the cameras as the iconic ut tower. This is the area where Commencement Graduations take place. And we know obviously what University Officials had feared there was at this camp would then continue to grow. That could pop potentially impact the upcoming commencement ceremony. So it appears that Law Enforcement certainly trying to move in quickly to try to dismantle that the final point ill make is that weve seen a texas a much different posture than weve seen in other areas where Law Enforcement have focused on deescalation its worth pointing out that after the incident last week at ut austin, the republican governor greg abbott, came on board very forcefully, essentially saying all these protesters need to end up in jail so again kind of a different approach here in austin than weve seen at some other university please. And of course, the hope is that if authorities do decide to then move in that this happens up peacefully. But certainly its an escalation. Were seeing on the campus they did end up in jail last week most 60 of them. But then all of the charges which were entirely of trespassing were dropped and even the University Officials backtrack c