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CNNW The July 3, 2024

Is the easiest way to read do sugar how wed really happy with jesse l. Martin, sundays at nine on cnn this is cnn breaking news welcome to the lean. Im jake tapper and we are following the breaking news at College Campuses across the United States protests against the war in gaza, the Idf Activity In Gaza are up, universities are cracking down many schools bringing in Law Enforcement officials to curve the demonstrations which the students insist are peaceful so as a factual matter, they have at times been disruptive, some have been antisemitic. Cnns ed lavendera is watching all of this unfold on one particular campus, university of texas, austin were texas state police. Im moved in on protesters earlier, made some arrests and what is the latest there now hey, jake was the camp just moments ago . Hi, has essentially been cleared out of all of the protesters are letter photographer kind of stepping here through the crowd and kind of get a shot of what is left there were dozens of protesters heres inside this circle that has been cordoned off by state troopers, ut police, as well as austin police. And over the last two hours, jake we have seen several dozen people taken into custody. We dont have an exact number on the amount of people who have been arrested, but ut officials in a statement saying a short while ago over the weekend, they started receiving threats from the group, which they did not specify from that was organizing the protest here on the ut campus they also said that they believed that the majority of the people who have been taken into custody here at these protests are not students, but regardless, it has garnered a great deal of attention on the campus, on the south of texas. Campus where now that the protesters have been cleared out of what they had described as a yep liberated zone. Now the question becomes, what do the officers do now because theres a relatively large group of people who have been supporting the protesters in circling the officers who werent circling the encampment. So the question now becomes what happens to this particular area . How do they clear out Everyone Else was still here University City officials have been clear over the last week that they were not going to tolerate anybody trying to set up a capsule inside of this area. So look in sorry about that you see a number of tents and the protesters were able to set up going to camp camp areas, as they said that they were not going to tolerate any kind of longterm in camp me hear any of the protesters you are believed protesters who were here. Were doing a peacefully simply sitting on the grass on this lawn and didnt deserve to be arrested. But that is the tension that were seeing unfold im have seen unfold here this afternoon for several hours. Now jake. Thanks so much. Appreciate 11 darien austin, Cnns Omar Jimenez is at Columbia University, thousands of miles away in manhattan. Demonstrators had been given by the College Administration can a deadline of 2 00 p. M. Eastern to clear out their tents and encampments omar, it appears that the majority of protesters ignored that deadline. So whats happening at columbia right now . Yeah number of those protesters and students chose not to adhere to that 2 00 p. M. Deadline to clear the encampment or face suspension. You can see the you cant get behind me. Theres a good number of students in there right now and actually, you can see a good number of them seem to be sitting in a circle at the moment as right now as they do at times, either Sharing Discussions or things like that. But bottom line there are still folks inside the encampment that said we have not seen any direct action from the University Just yet as far as even suspensions that had been announced or anything further than that. But to give you an idea of earlier today, essentially in this track space for this walkway here students and protests of that deadline in circles the in camera and essentially to protect those from coming into the encampment and potentially either suspend the students in person or make them sign an agreement saying they would adhere to University Policies. That of course has died down. But we also saw Faculty Link Arms at the entrance of the encampment as well. So that is, this is where the encampment actually is. But i want to show you it has not just been propalestinian support, your rib obviously seen many of these posters here posted up. Of course it bring him bring them home now, in reference to the hostages, the israeli hostages held in gaza, many of them, and then of course on the other portions of grass leading into this other library here, weve had israeli flags planted here as well. So youve seen a number of even jewish students who have come and almost counterprotest protested here saying that they deserve to be on campus as much as those who are propalestinian protests in here as well. And those have been the dynamics that weve seen. But the bottom line here, jake is, while we do, here are some protests its happening outside the gates of the university, right now, inside right here, there is an air of calm, but we do expect an update from University Officials this afternoon and it remains to be seen, the number of suspensions they may levy or any further action they actually take after, again, imposing that 2 00 p. M. Deadline, omar jimenez on the campus of Columbia University and barnard college. Thanks so much joining us now a professor from columbia business school, robert ban tempo, hes an expert in negotiation. Professor brown typo helped me out in understanding negotiation on this one topic that you administration of columbia trying to negotiate with the Student Protesters on friday . The president of columbia Minouche Shafik released a statement that said in part quote, we have our demands. They have theres and i heard from other folks in the world of University Authorities that were surprised by that statement. Do you think as an expert in negotiation that president shafik gave away leveraged by suggesting basically that the university and the students are on some sort of equal playing field. Well, thats certainly a reasonable perspective its important to keep in mind that president shafik is an experienced the international diplomat. And in the early stages of this movement i think she brought from her own historical background in mediation approach, trying to create a dialogue and let all the voices be heard i think imagining that she could reach a resolution that would be satisfactory to all parties. But the breadth of this movement i think has taken us all by surprise. And shes now embroidering in a negotiation which is a very different process now, its about proposals, counter demands, and frankly power now its a very different game. Yeah, i understand. And appreciate being an international diplomat. I just also wonder if foreign administer for an administration trying to balance Freedom Of Speech with also allowing the other students. It seems like a majority of them who just want to learn and go to classes and live their lives that the Smaller Group that freespeech group in this simplification has been given more opportunity, more power than the other group with that approach of diplomacy as opposed to, a College President , its not a diplomatic College President s and authoritarian really well. Again, thats a judgment call, but the part of your comments is we can undo the past and its easy to criticize when youre not in the room. But i think looking back a Negotiation Approach would have been the right move, not a mediation hearing. Peoples voices. There was no opportunity for persuasion here. Shes facing a series of stakeholders that have multiple, conflicting and sometimes not overlapping demands the correct strategy is what shes doing now. Who are the Key Stakeholders i have to Pay Attention to . Who can i appease and how can i thread the needle and come . Come to a solution that will achieve our longterm goals. Now, her credit, shes been very, very clear right from the start clarifying her core values, safety, the students on campus is non negotiable Freedom Of Speech is a core aspect of the mission of columbia. And its only when those two come into conflict as youve been pointing out, that she faces a real dilemma. But whats happening now is a little bit of a slow motion train wreck where the administration came out some days ago arrest about 100 folks, then they backed paneled and promised not to use the police anymore. As of this morning, theyve threatened to bring the police onto campus and clear out the tense and that kind of inconsistency in her position. I think is creating an unhealthy atmosphere among all the parties what about the the that are crossed when it comes to the free speech, rights of somebody to Say Something abhorrence, like i support the october 7 attacks on civilians and israel and the people who died committing those atrocities are Freedom Fighters protected by the first amendment. Ive heard that said, at columbia, not just outside at columbia but theres also the right of students who dont think killing civilians just because there is really and or jewish is okay, are acceptable. What does a University President at a private university do . Well, jake, youve already had free experts and lawyers dive into that. The devils in those details were all in favor of free speech until somebody says something we dont like my personal conviction is the best way to fight a bad ideas with a better idea. And the best way to overcome bad speech is more speech. So i stand as a freespeech absolutist, but i certainly agree with you that calls to violence and incitement. There has to be aligned. And she gets paid the big bucks to find out where that line is. And im going to defer to the lawyers and the experts on helping her back that up. My role as a negotiation from the Negotiation Perspective is how she going to get out of this very difficult problem. And what she needs to do is find who are the Key Stakeholders. And lets not lose sight of these are very high sticks. There are many millions of dollars riding on these decisions donations from alumni, the Economic Impact of usc canceling their graduation airfare, hotels, restaurants, these are very significant financial costs and any Negotiation Analysis has to include both the institutional cost as well as the personal cost. Lets not lose sight of the fact that in 1968, a former president of columbia, grayson kirk lost his job because he called the police onto campus to deal with demonstrators in that case, it was against the vietnam war. So theres a very rich legacy here, and this is all on her shoulders. Riverbanks, apa, thank you so much, really appreciate your time today coming up. Were going to continue to stay on top of all these protests across the United States. Im going to be joined im by a former University President to get his take on the demonstrations, reaction to the cancel that university of Southern California graduation and whether he thinks other schools should do the same this situation with wolf blitzer didnt knighted six once cnn see idp disrupts cid derails lets be honest socks but living to see idp doesnt have to. When you sign up at shining through cid p. 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I want to bring in seen in Senior National security analysts, juliette kayyem, of juliette, we saw numerous arrests at the university of texas, austin is that an appropriate response to you based on what the students are accused of doing, which i suppose is these encampments that violate rules i think it is. I never think its the good first approach, especially on colleges and universities where there is, there is often tolerance for protest. So these arent the first protests. So you want colleges and universities to be consistent where there were no allegations of violence, at least at that stage, and where most currently the use of Law Enforcement without any ability to essentially provide off ramps, figure out whether things can be d escalated leads to the kind of conflict we have seen, leads to more people being energized, which is not great for the college or university. And i think significantly, as youre seeing pain leads to other stakeholders like these faculties, not not loving this and voting you know, doing these votes against the president. So theres an appropriate role for Law Enforcement in particular, access control. I cannot believe how long its taken for these colleges and universities to get serious about who is on their campuses and the swipe cards we do them all the time where i teach. Why colin state police over local police or Campus Police . So a variety of reasons in some of these instances, Campus Police are not authorized to make arrest. They are simply crowd control parties, making sure theres not disruption. So some of it is actually lead eagle that this the state police have authority on it. But but once again, state police are not trained for this kind of interaction. And i think weve seen some of the errors, right . They are told you enter this, it will they only, they only have one tool to end it, which is to arrest everyone i think what youre seeing actually jake is sort of a Learning Process over this week where there, there are attempts to deescalate. There are attempts to isolate and to put them, put these protests in perspective and then at some stage if necessary, utilized Public Safety i think its important that all students feel safe. I dont think graduations ought to be canceled these are manageable safety and security incidents if the universitys get smart about access, about about off ramps ratchet it up, and then ultimately outcomes for these students, including not getting their diplomas, not graduating academic penalties. This matters to these students and honestly it matters to their parents. All right. Julia cam. Thank you so much. Appreciate it joining us now, frederick lawrence, former president of bran

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