Washington in this is cnn yeah im here on the east coast welcome to cnn this morning. Im kasie hunt. We have Breaking News right now. Violence on the Ucla Campus A crowd of proisraeli demonstrators clashing with members of a propalestinian encampment on campus after School Officials declared the encampment illegal in video from the scene, you can see protesters throwing a wooden pallet, fireworks, parking cones, a scooter. These classes lets have been ongoing for hours. There had been minimal police intervention, but we are told that the lapd is now on seeing that from tweets from the lapd and from the la Mayors Office joining me now is denial hartmann. He is with georgetown universitys emergency and Disaster Management at department and ill good morning to you. How would you assess the response here we know that there has been some reluctance on the part of these universities to call police for fear of escalating the situation. But the violence that were seeing at ucla does seem unique and an escalation from even from the taker of the building at columbia casey, this is a failure of planning on part of the university of Public Safety officials and administration especially when you have this amount of people, you may have competing a warring factions to not have a real physical Police Presence or barriers between these groups is really constable. This is something that weve done in many of the cities ive worked in, you have to be able to protect peoples First Amendment rights of you also have to be bearable, protect them from counterprotests and let this devolve into the anarchy that the viewers have seen on their screen right now is something that hopefully will never happen again and we wont see lapd. And the surrounding jurisdictions. Im sure therell be calling what we call a mutual aid are very good in adept at civil disorder. But theyre coming in late and behind the eight ball, so to speak, on this this is a believable the seas students on Student Violence in an American City in this time and age so dire now when we learned about What Columbia had, had done, so they sent police in to clear out Hamilton Hall last night and they put out a statement that said that they thought that there were outside agitators. It was not just students. How do you determine that in this kind of a situation . And what impact does that have in a situation like this . It has a tremendous impact and i study and analyze Homeland Security issues and domestic threats. And so i dont look at these particular demonstrations which started off as perfectly fine peaceful First Amendment protected activities in isolation. You will call for the last five or six months to director of the fbi, Christopher Wray has been wanting the American Public about outside agitation in our domestic politics, particularly as it pertains to the israeli Hamas Conflict he is dead in no Uncertain Terms as well as the the Intelligence Community that theyre seeing the highest level of external threats to our domestic security since nine, 11. And so what you see is a lot of foreign Terrorist Organizations and other agitators stoking violence here in the United States, stoking radicalization. Now i want to be very clear. Im not saying that these students are radicalized, but on the spectrum of radicalization, you may have a lone actor who is out there, whos becoming radicalized online. And its really easy to track these things online with social media and with some of the tools that Law Enforcement has so now standby for me because i want to bring in our Stephanie Ilan. She is onscene at ucla as this violence is continuing at stephanie. I know youve been trying to get into place here, but bring us up to speed on what youve seen so far and what we know about the State Of Play with the police had thank the lep lapd recently, just within the last hour or two saying that they were coming to the scene yeah. And as you can see, im going to talk about the shock cases so you can see the Police Officers are here now they are in their riot gear. What we have seen over the last few hours is the situation devolve that was out here all day yesterday. And i can tell you that you saw a little flareups that were quickly quelled from people who were from both sides of this encampment here overnight, this completely devolved and what weve seen now is that the plywood that was being used in there that was being tossed around. We saw the barricades that were loaded in and brought out yesterday afternoon. We see that they were being used overnight as well. We did see that ucla came out last night saying that this was now unlawful. And then as things evolve the mayor of Los Angeles Karen bass coming out saying that they were asking for help from lapd in the situation weve seen now that there has been a mobilization here around here, theres a strong Police Presence on this side of campus where we are. You can still share chanting going on. There have been skirmishes that have continued throughout the night here on the campus of ucla. And the presence now being felt. Theres not a lot of movement here. Ive seen a lot of videos of the Police Officers standing in place. But obviously what weve seen basically agitators on both sides here who have started up skirmishes. We then see also people on both sides trying to stop it, trying to quell these little skirmishes that become bigger as theyre trying to break down the tenth on the inside of the propalestinian sayyed. So still we can take a look at it, right now. You can hear through here. You can hear the chanting. You can hear that theres still a lot of activity despite the fact that its just after 3 00 in the morning. Can you at ucla. Casey, stephanie, you said youve been covering this for the past few days. Can you describe to us one of the things our Law Enforcement experts and banal has been telling us is that theres no there hasnt been an appropriate barrier between these two groups can you just explain to us where . These groups were in relation to each other . And what kind of barriers there might have been where those barriers taken down really skirmishes yeah. No, there there have been barricades that were up. There were barricades that were separating everybody can we have seen them being broken down . Weve seen them being thrown. We have seen all of that. But what ucla i actually did is separate both sides with a like a walking path. And they had barricades up on both sides and then barricades reinforced on either side of that that is what we saw. Weve now seen those barricades being broken down what happened versus what happened overnight are two different. There were probably about i would say probably about maybe ten feet of heart but what weve seen, what i saw yesterday and those little flares of tension is nothing compared to what weve seen overnight hears tonight. It has been much more aggressive. Weve seen much more anger. Weve seen a lot more of that compared to what we saw yesterday when there were just smaller little yelling at each other. And that was it. What happened yesterday versus what has happened overnight completely different stephanie, can you just give us a little bit more insight . Weve been describing these as propalestinian protesters and counter protesters. How do you understand what people are advocating for in each of these groups, and how, how theyre presenting themselves, especially actually the counter protesters a lot of it has to do with when you when you come down here, a lot of it has to do with the fact that its been so separated, like this front area here where i am, this has been the part where you pro israeli demonstrators whove been out here, theyre out here with their flags are out there showing their support. And then across the double barrier are behind that where you see those theres Plywood Walls and such that is where the propalestinian five, the encampment that has been here so when you were out here, you can see its actually clearly delineated. I think more so than in perhaps on other campuses here at ucla. Thats how theyve been able to hold this and we did see people from other sides encounter the other side and there would be again thered be some yelling, thered be some shouting. There was some tension, but they walk away. That was most of what we saw during the day here yesterday, but its very clearly delineated when you get further onto this campus and then to this greene casey . Yeah stephanie, whats your understanding of the next move for the Police Officers obviously, we can see in your shot and you guys have been doing a wonderful job showing us that they are there in a line clearly theyre going to have to involve themselves at some point. What is your understanding of how this is going to . Before Going Forward from what i can tell, this is not the only line of Law Enforcement here. There is also another line that is pushing on other sides and just moving the crowd in different directions. So you have this line here, i think probably to stop more people from going in if they dont want them to go that way. And then you have also lines of Law Enforcement on the inside that is moving around. So there are multiple lines here i have to tell you getting onto campus, theres a massive Police Presence. There were Police Cruisers everywhere there, Police Officers walking out towards the perimeter of the campus as well as here now, on the campus all of this very different than what weve seen here over the last few hours. Yeah, yesterday, there was no Police Presence or what was the Security Presence like when you recovering this before there were local security that was here on campus and there were some ucla Police Officers. How he did see walking on campus. And i saw some that were in cruisers watching to see what was going on in certain places on campus at different places on campus and they were watching. And then i saw them also after things seemed to calm down, they moved away and did two different things. So though weve seen Police Officers, but not in the numbers that were seeing right now . Definitely not compared to yesterday to today. All stephanie elam, 70 standby for me. Thank you very much for this great reporting and i know youre going to be gathering throughout the morning as this continues to be an unfolding situation, adeno harbin, you are still with us. I just want to get your reaction to what stephanie was describing in terms of the reporting of how these two groups were separated, this kind of ten foot Space Barriers that are being deconstructed potential really thrown at what, how does that, what is your understanding of how whether thats setup would be effective . Clearly, it didnt prevent this. Maybe it couldnt have, but youre the expert yeah. So i want to pull on a thread that stephanie said that while there may have been barriers, the barriers clearly warrants sufficient. I mean, we had Barriers In Dc to protect the capitol on january 6 and the protest has picked them up and throw them at Law Enforcement and sow these barriers have to be reinforced with a physical Law Enforcement presence to let people know that they can demonstrate peacefully. They can voice their concerns, but theyre not going to commit what we call interpersonal violence. And so theyll obviously be some afteraction report on how those barriers were set up. I have any honest with you, College Campuses are not used to dealing with this type of issue, but they better get used to it the longer that this is rarely Palestinian Conflict goes on, as the fbi and the Intelligence Community is worn this, the more you will see this type of level of discourse. And in some cases violence. We didnt see violence in Columbia University, it was civil disobedience. Those students were arrested and displaced without incident by enlarge. Here i think the energy is different and i think youre going to see a different type of unfold Law Enforcement action, unfold as this operation starts taking place. And a lot of thats because they didnt have the proper Security Posture in place at the outset to really set a tone that this will not devolve into the lawlessness that were seeing right now all right. So no harm and for us to know. Thank you very much for that coming up here, police clear Columbia Universitys campus of protesters making dozens of arrests for lives on that campus two plus a new cnn poll on Abortion Rights advocates still is passionate as ever, two years after the fight all of Roe Versus Wade how can experience boost help . It finds payments i already made, like insurance streaming, foam to build my credit. 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