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CNNW Erin July 3, 2024

Into our viewers. Thanks for watching. Erin Burnett Outfront starts right now. Ill front next Breaking News, trump lashing out making the judge in his new york trial just hours before that, judge holds another trump Gag Order Hearing and more breaking whos at this moment, the nypd tonight going into another city campus the biggest city in america, as violence spreads around the country on campuses, new york city mayor eric adams is out front, plus Marjorie Taylor greene saying she doesnt give a rats you know, what about what her party thinks she plows ahead with her plan to oust for johnson. Lets go out front good evening. Im erin Burnett Outfront tonight from the trial to the trail for President Trump, in a rare break for the courtroom today, hitting the Campaign Trail and he gotten a plane and flew out to michigan. This is freeland, michigan where youre looking right now, live pictures of trump, right now on the podium. Him. And he is maybe coming out swinging today using the stage to tear into the judge overseeing his Hush Money Trial belongs is no crime. I have a crooked judge is a totally conflicted judge. Then i get indicted again, and then i got indicted again. And then i get indicted by fani with her boyfriend a coca judge, a conflict a judge. Well, that is the judge who is holding a hearing first thing tomorrow morning about whether trump violated his gag order four more times. Now remember the judge juan merchan ruled that trump had already violated the gag order nine times, and if he was crucial, what he said in the room that we all saw in there was trump, isnt careful in the future, he could end up in jail because of these violations. Here are the alleged violations that marchand is maybe thinking about right now, but will be likely ruling. First thing in the morning. What are they going to look at all the lives that in the last draw that line, then the last trial so he got caught lying pure lime. Thats yuri was picked. So fast, 95 democrats, you think of it as just a purely democrat area its a very unfair fair situation. Michael cohen is a convicted liar and hes got no credibility whatsoever. Davids been very nice and nice guy that last comment was about trumps longtime friend, david pecker, who was witness in the trial. Trump saying nice things about him when he was on the stand the translation though for trump will be there tomorrow. And just hours. He will be 15 feet or so away from Stormy Daniels, former attorney, who already in great detail laid out conversations he had with Michael Cohen about the 130,000 payment to Stormy Daniels it was crucial testimony and trumps team will likely get a chance to push back on daniels, attorney and his claims and possible crossexamination if they get there tomorrow, paula reid is outfront, new york to begin our coverage. Paula, what more are you learning about the Gag Order Hearing tomorrow or and this is hearing that could have dire consequences for former President Trump. As you mentioned, this hearing is about four four additional alleged violations of the gag order, but these violations allegedly occurred before the judge issue that 9,000 fine and threatened trump with jail. So at this point, its really unclear if that threat is going to have a Deterrent Effect on trump but aaron is speaking with sources and observing trump. Its clear that hes not being quite as prolific and his violations of the gag order as he was instead relying on allies to attack prosecutors and other individuals who are protected by this gag order and making these political attacks that he was making. Now we heard a short time ago you play that clip of him attacking the judge. Thats completely fine. That is completely valid under the gag order, he can attack the judge. You can hack the district attorney, alvin bragg. Now, tomorrows hearing will give prosecutors and Defense Attorneys a chance to argue about this, but this will all happen outside the presence of the jury. An error in the big thing, im looking for is whether trumps attorneys are going to switch up their tactics because remember that last Gag Order Hearing, it was a disaster for the defense. They wanted to focus on their big picture constitutional arguments about political speech. The judge wasnt having it. Instead, he wanted to go post by post, comment by comment. At one point, he even threatened to have a trump testify under oath during the Gag Order Hearing. So im watching to see if defendant its attorneys change up the approach to tomorrows hearing, then after that concludes, the jury will come back in and hear more critical testimony from Keith Davidson. All right. Paula, thank you very much. Downtown manhattan at that courthouse. And our experts are all here so joey jackson. I want to go with the gag order moment, but obviously were hours away from trump pulling back in that courtroom has a serious talk about he does in the same way and the same order with the same people carrying the same boxes every day, Groundhog Day down there and Keith Davidson, Stormy Daniels, attorney is gonna be back on the stand. So crossexamination may begin for what weve seen from keith. So far, what what does trumps team have to do . And can they do it . Yes so what they have to do, aaron, is distance trump from those actual negotiated deals, right . And so remember what the testimony is. This is the lawyer who gave the indication that he negotiated the Stormy Daniels deal and the Karen Mcdougal deal with michael owen and so i think the issue will be under crossexamination. You spoke with Michael Cohen. Is that correct . You exchanged emails with Michael Cohen. You had several discussions with him, you were not privy to what, if anything, was said between him and mr. Trump, are you in fact, you have no idea who directed this if it was trump or anyone else, or if you act get on his own, you cant give us any indication as to that, can you . And so why do i say that the cross has to suggest that this was something that cohen was doing, right . And it was hes the fixer he was doing it. Not necessarily that he included his boss told his boss whether he was looking for Brownie Points or whatever, perhaps thats a defense, but you move trump away from it. Matt and thats what colins job was. Why would trump have any knowledge of this . Thats what thats going to be their play. And terry, so far, you here a couple of takes from What Davidson has said one is a well, he thinks that he knew this was gonna help the campaign. He knew all of that the other is he doesnt he doesnt have at least so far any knowledge of trump telling comb when or said he didnt think trump was involved. So has he done what the prosecution needs him to do . Well, he took One Step Forward and two steps back. I think because one of the things that the prosecution must do is as joy says establish the fact that there is a Separation Cone is out here doing what he needs to do on his own. And we heard davidson say, look, hes irascible, hes always leaning into his relationship on trump. And you cant predict what hes going to do. So i think that separation has been made, but davidson also said, i dont know if cowen actually has the authority to make these payments. I think that heard the prosecution a little bit and it established that maybe there expected that comment because that was that was not a good moment. I honestly, i dont think they expected it before Keith Davidson takes the stand. David axelrod, it will be that Gag Order Hearing. So trump goes on the Campaign Trail today. And whats interesting is paula mentioned what he said about the judge crooked, corrupt, what, whatever words he uses that he uses all the time. Thats totally consistent. Thats fine. Hes allowed to do that but what i played are the things he said today, he did speak for an hourandahalf and those are the only things he said. So do you think that he actually is a little worried about this gag order and that the threat of jail, i mean, he is for him incredibly controlled, not slamming cohen, not slamming daniels. I mean, it is a shift yeah. No no doubt about it. Yeah. I do think hes hes concerned about going to jail. I think the judge was pretty clear in his remarks and trump heard him and i think the last thing donald trump wants to be in china. There is a theory that he wants a martyr himself by going to jail. I dont really believe that, you know, everything that ive read heard about him suggests to me that thats the last thing that he wants. So i do think its having some disciplining effect the question really aaron, is what effect is this whole thing having . The campaign . And i think theres very little evidence right now that is having much of an effect on the campaign at all. In fact, trumps numbers are sort of marginally better than when the trial started. Half more than half of people say theyre not paying close attention to it well see what happens when theres a verdict one way or the other and how that affects the campaign. But right now this is in many peoples estimation a nonevent, which is really incredible. Join terri, because certainly its not just sitting here and in new york and being a part of it. But when you see whats happening there, it is. It is such an unprecedented historic moment. Do you think that it changes in terms of broader people paying attention when Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen take the stand, or do they say no more of the same . Ive seen this before, so i think it does only because those are the marquee names. Right . I think to davids point, i think what ultimately is going to be the issue if theres a verdict and that verdict is guilty we dont know that not suggesting it will be, but whether that changes the political dynamic, right. But i think that its funny because we are not sure whos gonna be the next witness. And its interesting, we talk about the gag order. We would be sure if trump would have not violated the gag order because the prosecution would have been comfortable releasing the names of the witness whos next going to testify, but i do think with the addition of those two, i think people pay closer attention. Yeah. Well, i mean, david, youve got to wonder and maybe we dont, we dont put this out there intellectually enough. Theres a lot of talk about what people will do if trump is convicted and people have said they have an issue with that, and well see its been a lot less discussion about how in a crowd im going to trial with the burden of proof and 12 people and you know, what would happen if this jury does not convict him yeah, i think that there hasnt been enough discussion about that. There is this presumption that itll be found guilty. But if he has a hung jury, he will spin it as vindication. And its it seems pretty likely now, erin, that this is the only trial thats going to take place before the election. And he will use it to color all the other indictments and say this was always political from the beginning. This proves that. So yeah, i think it could have a negative effect on him too. Be a convicted felon for sure. But it also could give them a little boost if he is not convicted yeah. Absolutely and terry, i just want to story Stormy Daniels, obviously has been receiving an incredible number of horrible threats that she may be testifying. So we dont know. We dont know the order because again, they dont have to provide that. So we dont have oh, for sure. If she will, although it seems likely we certainly dont know when her body guard talk to me about the threat shes received, but also how she was responding to them, right now as shes preparing to possibly testify, heres what he said. Do you think were gonna see this this, this defiance, this willingness to take it all on on the witness stand man, you know, its not my places. So you think about that when it comes it out, but shes a fighter and if theres one thing youve noticed about stormy is that no matter how hard she could tell, she keeps getting back . And she stays true to who she is, and she never wavers and not the gsa. Most important thing when it comes to her. And she you know, she that moment is going to be incredible and her fortitude in that moment, how she conducts herself, is going to matter so much in that room, right . I mean, because it is such a small room, shes Stormy Daniels is going to be what, ten feet away from trump. Shes shes really key. I dont think that the prosecution necessarily has to call her, though, because this is he records case and they had gary farro who talked about the bank exchanges they had pecker who set up all of the transactions. They had davidson whos talking about literally what happened with both Karen Mcdougal and with Stormy Daniels. I think if Michael Cohen doesnt go well, if he goes first and we dont know then i would put Stormy Daniels on because Michael Cohen has some credibility issues. He is someone that no one really likes. Apparently at least according to davidson. And so i think if he doesnt go well, the prosecution may say all right, lets put on storming to corroborate what weve already said by the records. So shes like the secret weapon is briefly way and im an accord with terry that she doesnt have to go, but the optics im sure that having that strategic discussion, because the optics of her not going may cause some juries to be confused. Wait, weve been talking about Solar Ray Daniel are not getting what you write. So i think because they want the full really story to get out there, right . That she goes not because shes a indispensable witness because people have spoken to the issue. She will speak to. But because the jury wants to know and they want to hear from her, and i think is an important part of the process absolutely. Right. All right. Thank you all very much. And next Breaking News. Marjorie Taylor Greene now, taking on her own party as republicans are slamming her for trying to House Speaker mike johnson tonight what you guys seem to know is i really dont give a rats what anybody up here says about what im doing also Breaking News out of new york were police are just moving in and starting to clear protesters from Fordham University and the west side of manhattan, the citys mayor, eric adams is my guest and the fed rules out cutting Interest Rates. Well, i means Interest Rates, Mortgage Rates, credit card rates, all going to remain historically hie. So as now really the right time to buy or should you keep renting suzi orman . Hes our guest erin Burnett Outfront, brought to you by only just want to leave 12 hours of uninterrupted pain really want to leave works all day. 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