Mattresses made affordable im tom forming in washington and this is cnn 9 00 p. M. Here in new york day ten, of the Trump Hush Money Trial and ending with a false claim from the defendant that hes not being allowed to testify. The day began with prosecutors seeking additional Contempt Judgments against him, but things really heated up during the testimony. Stormy daniels and Karen Mcdougals former attorney, Keith Davidson, the prosecution played the Phone Conversation that Michael Cohen secretly recorded and cnn exclusively obtained featuring donald trump taking an active role in the Karen Mcdougal deal. Were going to bidens been talking about that and the present that it may have had on the jury throughout the program, if youre just joining us here, is that but i need to open up a company for the transfer of all of that info regarding our friend david so im going to do that right away. Id actually come up to me and ive spoken to Allen Weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up with the funding yes and its all the stuff all the stuff because here you never know where that Company Never know where hes going to be, getting . Correct. So im all over that. And i spoke to alan about it when it comes time for the financing, which will be what well, have to pay yourself getting old i got no, no check. Back with the panel joining us. Cnns laura coates, host of lark coach live at 11, also cnns kara scannell, who was in court again today. What did it out to care from the courts. I mean, i think the audio is a big thing. Were hearing Donald Trumps the voice the jury is hearing that for the first time and hearing a lot of Michael Cohens conversations because that was just one of the Audio Recordings that was played today. The other one that was played was cohen on the phone with davidson. Were counting a conversation with donald trump in which he was saying he was quoting trump is saying, i hate the fact that we did it referring to the Stormy Daniels deal well, so just interesting for the jury to hear this, these are realtime recordings, of course, trumps lawyers will push back on what it means and what he was referring to, which is really the jury hearing, both cohen referencing trump and donald trump, whos sitting in the room, but hearing him on this secretly recorded Phone Conversation, talking about this specific deal in the case as trumps lawyers have tried tried to push away from it, youll laura, how do you think these recordings played . Well, they are part of the overall jigsaw puzzle, right . You want to give a little bit for each witness. Now, one would is not gonna give you everything you ever need to prove your case, but you want to get the jerk closer and closer to the clear picture, but you also want them thinking of themselves as shady as it might be for an attorney to record a comes with his client why did you think you had to what took place before that and what took place after that to put in context exactly why you were doing that. Thatll give some additional food for thought for the jurors to understand. Is he doing it to save his skin . Or is he doing it because he believes that this person is somehow trying to be secretive about even his involvement in it. And hes trying to give some evidence down the road thats part of the overall picture is becoming increasingly clear. But Michael Cohen is not going to be the most sympathetic figure for these jurors, nor does he have to be. Where does david pecker have to be . Nor is the idea of the catch and kill until laiza details, they have to return the jury to the overarching crime that they are alleging the falsified Business Records. A lot of this is about contextualizing it and the audio is why they dont help necessarily in terms of showing cohen as somebody who should be completely trusted. It doesnt absolve trump of being open, being skeptical hello, about why someone did not trust him. When do you think Michael Cohen will be brought to the stand even Michael Cohen doesnt know. I mean, its essentially basically they tell them to be in the area at certain time and then but youve seen how the prosecution has been laying out the witnesses. They have someone really interesting like david pecker, come on the first day and then theyll bring in the people who are going to do basically custodial records because as you noted, and 8 00 8 00 hour, trumps team wont stipulate to anything. They wont say yes, our client did say that at a trump rally and 28 so they have to bring in people say this, the chain of evidence to bring in someone today to say yes, this audio is real, it is verified. Weve been able to authenticate it. And so i think thats one thing when we talk about whether a witness is believable or not, are credible or not. And Michael Cohen obviously is going to get a very tough crossexamination. We know that the audio tape brings trump closer to this, and its irrefutable. It is trumps voice on there. It is trump talking about it. Can we just talk a little bit about the tape because i am sure that jury, to hear that lets start at the beginning the the tape. They are going to hear it multiple, multiple times and im sure parsing every word. But what did Donald Trumps say there when he talks about the money he says, is the money going to be in cash . Is that something that jury is going to think . Wow, what a responsible businessman know, i mean, this i mean, i think the jury is going to think why didnt you say . Get out of my office . I mean trump is involved in this. I hope because i like a mob tape. Im and Michael Cohen certainly has adopted or i guess used to adopt that persona or it seems like a lot of people in the Trump Organization adopted that percent of saying like our friend david, i mean, all i would here this speaking in code, i mean, jeffrey, you and i were having probably the exact same thoughts at the exact same moment because it actually brings me back to the Fani Willis Proceedings and georgia where trumps lawyers tried to make a whole thing about how she paid for things in cash. And heres trump saying 130,000. He was suggesting that they pay their fair well, for 100 grand in cash. You ever want anyone is elected District Attorney . Yeah. But one is a businessman and arthur handles casual jury is sitting there and theyre just gonna be like who does that who want to paper . We have at least we have two lawyers on the panel. We have a financial person, jury. We have a finance person. It may not be in the world of business so then what what business is it that you know about where 100,000, 30,000 dollars in cash is a routine unless youre doing business in some part of the world where you my brand house closings with different kinds there are different kinds of entity. It is not so it is not organized crime when were talking about getting somebody killed. Yes. Michael cohen has embraced this on the fixer and the way he talks and the way he handled themselves but if you listen to that tape, Ladies And Gentlemen of the jury, you know what proves his guilty . Michael cohen. What does trumps eight. Okay. 130,000. But Michael Cohen, whose voice from people who i spoke to in the courtroom, they said, what came out of the tape today wasnt trumps voice where you barely hear it was Michael Cohens booming voice. In that courtroom. And i think elie said earlier theyre dirty up. Michael cohen with their own witnesses to try to like, lay the groundwork, get ready, Ladies And Gentlemen, because youre going to hear from a sleazy guy. But anderson, ive been involved with a lot of trials. Ive never had a prosecutors calling their own witnesses to dirty up their main witness. That is just not normal, to take their time to take out this thing. First of all, its not as if this is a figure who has had his voice altered throughout the course of the last several years. We dont know is identity. Michael cohen is a very known figures so much though it was a part of the conversation in terms of even Jury Selection and his are paid and who they might have known have clear where there were the case so they are aware of who it is, but to be honest, its not as if most crimes or witnessed by a bus full of nuns, there there witness by people who sometimes are comparison with the i agree. I agree with while everyone i have but i appreciate that you do. But let me ill say this. Were thinking about what i think that they are trying to do. I think theyre trying to make this jury say look, this is how things are done. This how the sausage is made. This is a shake down. Of course, a very, very wealthy man who says hes very, very wealthy, they get hit up all the time hi, im about people alleging that guy. His story and boy, do i have a story to tell you . Theyre not so much, i think painting this on the hopes that people suddenly have an epiphany about their opinion about a wellknown figure, maybe like Michael Cohen, as much as thinking, well, hold on, this is kinda how things are done. I guess if youre rich, someones got a target on your back financially, thats one of the ways so going to try to do so combine that with the idea of why youre hearing Michael Cohens voice, they want to suggest that he is a sycophant who only wanted to please. There was no intimation, there was no suggestion. You took it upon himself, but thats why the prosecution has got to make their case. It was never going to be a cake walk. But theyve got approved. This is not innuendo. Theyre going to try to present the attaboy that comes after, not is it calf no no, no, no, no, no, no. And then what happened later . Remember we heard maybe pecker. Thank you. From trump. Thank you for your help with the situations he got an image to the white house. He even sits in a room with microphones racially. Go i was getting extorted Stormy Daniels says, were going to lose leverage if he loses if he moves the presidency, we need to get my money. I want my mother i know. Correct on crossexamined on redirect by the prosecutors, it davidson miss testified to that based on the way that the crossexamination went on, redirect, he said that he wasnt quoting Stormy Daniels. He was quoting her publicist boyfriend, who was just about to give an interview saying that hes the one that was something that probably had some impact on the jury. They were italy initially heard this for the first time as though it was Stormy Daniels saying that and then a regional wasnt Stormy Daniels who said that she would lose leverage. It was in the public wavefront. Also, he published a blog or something of some kind. All right. He, he had written well, they were trying to trumps team is trying to suggest that he wrote the blog post 2011 on the dirty. Com blog that initially surfaced, this daniels trump liaison, and then they never quite got it, confirmed that he actually did work through the record. If you have a publicist was boyfriend for something called the dirty. Com im probably not a good idea not to the Extortion Theory here tonight. The one thing that was clear as all this was being negotiated is that Stormy Daniels had other options. Other people were interested in this story and they were trying to keep her from telling it publicly. And i believe she told you this in her interview that she just she didnt want it to be out there. She knew what people would say the attacks on her, the names, what would happen. And so other people could have bought the story. She could have sold it to someone else and you made that much clear if we could just talk about Michael Cohen. I know you want to make Michael Cohen out to be the worst person ever any federal jury that convicted them . Judge thats what hes exactly exactly what Buddies Errors bill for hearable, terrible, and who was it, who hired Michael Cohen year after year to work for him . I have represented guys who worked i assist to the president of American Express the assistant to the president of American Express, american spreads seems to be a pretty prestigious thing. Does the president know what they are direct underlings of in that particular case . Absolutely. Michael cohen has donald trump has no idea what my nose is. A tape is going come out where trump says, you handle it, you just deal with this because thats what you do when youre running for president , when youre a billionaire, when you are the president , you delegate and the defense here, your icloud, your hypothesis is that Michael Cohen was excellent most of the time but suddenly said he wasnt youre saying youre saying trump didnt know that he was corrupted we just played the tape. Were with trump really involved he and also david pecker has already testified and a photo was shown in court of him walking past the rose garden, but we know the conversation was trumps saying, hows our girl qarrah in hows karen de its fine. Thats not illegal. Once you illegals what went in the book, thats the crime your session, youre saying trump is seemingly unaware of that. I dont think that early at this this photo was taken according in david pecker, trump is asking him with all the worlds problems that he must be shoulders and the white house place thats david pecker, nothing illegal not saying its illegal. Im just saying hes hes in the white house and hes concerned about Karen Mcdougal and ishee going to make my point is is talking about all right there i think anderson cooper, i think theyre gonna have a very hard my time proving that donald trump said in the logbook in our office, which were not presenting to anyone, put it down this way, so it goes that way. He just says michael, i spoke to weisselberg, whos also a jareh jail, right . Dont try to the principle is saying, oh, lets pay in cash lets paying cash, want the world to note, right . So he probably, what he very well might like if hes so concerned about it being paid in cash maybe you would want to run down the other things that care carrot just mentioned that that came into evidence today was Donald Trumps sort of indicating he didnt really want to pay this money. He was sort of upset about it. I read that to be one of those pieces of evidence that could go either way, either to this idea that he just doesnt like to hand out his money to anyone in general or that he was upset about paying money when he felt under pressure to do so. I mean, to me that seems to also be something that could that could actually work in his favor was fascinating to it, was listening to everyone. Were unpacking and parsing each word monday morning, quarterbacking these jurors hear it in real time. When you clarified a point of cross examination, you have to wonder the jurors actually picking up on those nuances great. But what are they remembering in these moments . Are they thinking to themselves does the rose garden picture resonate in the same way . Didnt Stormy Daniels boyfriend or where it was saying it. And remember, theyre not just using what they know here at much as we tell jurors do so, wed heard that video or audio tape years ago, Michael Cohen and people who may remember having heard that audiotape. And they remember some of the details of this case. And so i have to wonder what good is gonna happen in the deliberation rooms. Are they as focused and looking at the nuance or is it the advantage that offense to keep them from stipulating so they have every mundane detail you remember, the cspan executive, you remember the time to get this document then in that document and because the more they have to add that kitchen sink, thats a form of delay. This can also be why the prosecutions tactic of sort of painting a very broad picture of What Kind Of World was donald trump and what kind of person was donald trump . Because if youre a juror, youre probably sitting there thinking, who does that, right . Like, every time Something Like that comes up there, just thinking, wait a second. Who does that . That is probably at the end of the day. What is going to drive their big picture understanding of what kind of person is donald trump, what kind of business was he engaged in . What would he really have parted ways with this kind of money without knowing what it was for. Arthur. Arthur has over 30,000 right now im laura were going to take a break. Well see whos left after the cachin on hand it out much more head, including some key moments from the Trial Transcript that weve just gotten, including the defenses effort to take attention away from Stormy Daniels and down trumps apparent desire to fireball by her silence and put the scrutiny and set on Michael Cohen and Keith Davidson who made the deal happy with i love your dress thanks i splurged a little because Liberty Mutual customize my Car Insurance and i saved hundreds. Thats great. I know right. Ive been telling everyone i just sa