Sides. Frankly, painting him as someone who had some time times in her words, go rogue, but also casting doubt on the Defense Theory that cohen paid off Stormy Daniels on his own initiative in general, the picture she painted was a handson donald trump deeply involved in the details of his business and his campaign, motivated largely by political considerations. And that he was fully aware of what the payment to Stormy Daniels had ball what him in 2016, weve just gotten the full Trial Transcript from today, including the context of hope hicks is final answer to the Prosecution Question about what then President Trump said in 2018 when news of the Daniels Payout finally broke and im quoting now from that transcript he wanted to know how it was playing and just my thoughts and impinge opinion about this story versus having the story a different kind of story before the campaign, had michael not made that payment joining us once again tonight, new york defense attorney arthur aidala, cnns laura coates, who was also in the court for today. Im particularly for that cnns abby, phillip, and Kaitlan Collins also former Trump White HouseCommunications Director alyssa farah griffin, and cnns kara scannell, who has also in court throughout today, careless. Start with you. I mean, it is fascinating. This is my first time youve been in there. Every day and the Overflow Room as well . To cede all up close. What was your sense on how things went with hope hicks i mean, i think she gives something to both sides, something to work with there, but i thought was very interesting that her testimony is how shes recounting this. She is taking jurors inside the campaign and into some memorable moments, walking into the glass Conference Room where shes discussing the access Hollywood Tape with donald trump, right when she found handout that it happened. Also take them onto a plane when trump was speaking in a Campaign Rally and she was contacted by the wall street journal. They were going to go public with their story just four days before the election, saying that ami had paid off Karen Mcdougal and stormy mcdaniel. So shes giving the jury memorable moments that usually underscores some credibility there because the person is remembering a moment in time where they were and what she was also saying about Michael Cohen, that she didnt think that he would behave the way that donald trump was telling her that he did this essentially out of the kindness of his heart. But she did also give trump sayyed something. She was very complimentary to him she went out of her way it to be complimentary, calling him a Great Businessman. There was no better messenger than him, no better brand person then ham, but all the while never making eye contact with him, keeping her eyes locked on the prosecutor or looking at the jury to speak from the moment she walked in because i was there for the first part for the moment she walked and she did not look at the Defense Table at all . We should point out she was there under subpoena. Yeah. Shes there under subpoena and you could see when she walked in the room, she had her hand and tight ball of a fist shoes clearly so uncomfortable and she even interrupted her own testimony In The Beginning to say that she was surprised by the sound of her own voice and the microphone, like really just uncomfortable about the issue said that she was very nervous and they suggested that she sit closer to the microphone and one my understanding was from sitting there is one she actually could hear herself in the microphone. It seemed to help her in which she said to the jury, oh, now i can hear myself now. I sort of i apologize for for my nervousness essentially. Yeah. I mean, we were talking about she was touching her hair, touching our face led to a lot of nervous tics to show that she was uncomfortable sitting there even as shes saying some things that are helpful to trump, the prosecution, ended their her testimony with that line that you just read, talking about how trump had set in 2018, he was happier to deal with these stories than it would have been if it was before the elections. So laura, you were there for that moment. And then she started to cry, explain what happened so this is right in the moment between the direct examination ending and then the cross beginning. Thats when a meal beauvais got up. It wasnt immediately clear the weight of that particular statement because shed given other statements before to articulate that he was a family man. He was concerned about his wife. There was at least one point where she described i bet she he did not want his wife to have the newspapers delivered to their residents in light of the bad coverage, which of course makes you think so reliant gets up in the morning and shes reading the newspaper so that he could concern and that he was concerned about that he valued her opinion, all these different things. And then this moment hit and then there was the transition between counsel when she began to be answered questions. So its a minus and then her body just change. Shes already very softspoken. I had not seen her in person, had not heard her speak. She did fidget quite a bit with her neck because with her earrings, with almost like a nervous tic to touch your hair a lot. But her body language, even at that point exponentially got more uncomfortable. And she began to have a shaky voice. Her lip was quivering, her chin was does well, and then shes scored a turned her faith for a second. And began to have revoice break, at which point a Mill Beauvais kinda hold his hands up for a second, just almost like a im not sure which just happened in this moment. And she began to cry and then he says, do you need a minute . And she turns her whole body await. I remember trumps over hear the jurys over here, and shes Turning Ribeye towards a jury to realize they can still see her and shes turning even more to contort yourself at which point she says, yes, i do. And shes visibly crying now. And theres a tissue box behind it is a bailiff next year and the courtroom was kinda trying to figure out in this moment what was the initial trigger now theres two schools of thought, either some would say she must have understood the weight of her testimony. Others could say, do you know when youre talking to the prosecution and youre the prosecutions witness. Theyre friendly to you. They are. Hey, have prepped you in some way not to lie, but to prep you to prepare you for this moment. Theyve talked to you through your nerves. Theyre kind youre friendly person when the Defense Counsel games whats up to then cross examine you and their client is donald trump, a man that youve called a master communicator, somebody that you are probably well afraid of their ability to make sure that someone knows youre fully history. I think that weight of the combination, which was what may have combined to hamper be overwhelmed. We shouldnt put it out though, that shes not a prosecution witness. I mean or do you believe shes a prosecution witness . Whole heart and shes there under subpoena. A lot of the words she was using to describe her reactions i thought were conservative what she does, she used the word concern when the what was her response when she first got the Washington Post reported her . Yeah. She said, oh i was concerned. Its a little bit more than concern, but that was the word she was using and i thought thats a conservative you word to use your right to say, i mean, i think people have the impression every time a witness goes on the stand that youre either going to be the attack dog and bulldog or youre going to be the Shrinking Violet every witness has a role to play in. Sometimes its just too move the story along and bridge the gap between the catch and kill and the campaign. I mean, that was her role. This is a multiline i mean, theres a lot of emotion in her relationship and you know this better than anybody else said with her emotion in her relationship with donald trump. This is a man who she was out four years out of college when she started working for the Trump Organization. Right. So what you have to understand about hope hicks and having had some time to kind of digest this testimony, there is nowhere on the planet she wanted to be less than where she was today. She did not want to be testifying against a boss that she clearly still hold in very high regard. Shes still incredibly close with his family. She im going and listening to our answers and reading the transcript back. I think she was as gracious as she could be about him him as a few severe, she could be will still being honest and truthful about the facts. So this kind of stark moment was when she acknowledged that he basically said its better that it didnt happen during the campaign. Thats probably the hardest piece of evidence she gave against donald trump. But there was a ton in there for the defense, and i think that was by design. And the fact that trump knowledge her when she left was sort of this. She did well by donald trump. I think its easy for people who have never testified in a trial to say, oh, she was crying because of the statements she made and then she realized the impact of that statement. I mean ive testified in a trial of a stalker against me and i found myself soaking up on the stand totally unexpectedly, like as much as you are prepared to testify at a trial. It when youre sitting there and theres a jury there, and its personal stuff its very hard. I mean, you must see this all the time i was a witness recently and it was weird. It was against the client but to your point, as much as public speaking, how can i Anderson Cooper get nervous being a public speaker in a courtroom . Its a completely situ absolutely. When you raise your right hand, but from a legal point of view, and i dont know if this is true or not. Theres nothing stopping trumps attorneys to having spoken. I hope hicks, in other words, shes under some peanut from the product secured his office, but its absolutely appropriate for them to call her up and say, hey im susan niclas, who i am. Can i talk to you about your testimony . Thats nothing thats on unethical assign improper i dont know if that happened or not, but she clearly was not there to hurt donald trump. She was there to do what she had how to do. And yet there is the weight of the world on you when youre the whole world is watching, she taught me happy talk. You heard like from so thats the thing that its so interesting. Im so glad i was there. Im so glad that we have three people who were the oldest were there did it because what you dont see until youre sitting in that room, are you what do you dont here . You dont realize is we see this on television and we think its all like we see on television of Everybody Knows their jobs. But there is a motion there, there is a feeling in the room and that feeling ebbs and flows and when the prosecutor stood up, nobody knew who was going to be called today. And the first early testimony was kind of procedural and not particular. I can understand why some people might fall asleep in the room and suddenly the prosecutor stood up and just very matter of faculty said, next which is hope hicks there was a instantly like an invasion of cicadas in the room. You heard you heard this you heard an entire gallery folate people, everybody with their laptops, siege not allowed to have your phone out. Suddenly doing this and it was this it was a it was incredible and every time there was something significantly 69 if again, that she said during your testimony, you could tell what was significant by the crescendo. Let me just tell you from that yes yeah. I thought from a warriors point of view, when youre sitting there just because of can you hear that 100 and so sometimes youre like, what i miss hi the, type when i go, it sounds like a benign answer because somebody there were some reporter in the room. Im not sure who was, who would said, i think said that there was an audible gas. I didnt hear that in the courtroom. I was i think ive seen behind the reporter who said that repurposing the overflow, overflow where there are billions and there were regular people and the Overflow Room would not that was not a gas. Regular. There wasnt again, inside the courtroom, but what there was was it was incredible. Suddenly everyone was n. When she walked in, i mean, it was just other things about hope hicks. I cannot get out of my head. She has not taught to donald trump in two years, 2022 and with trump, people you have to get used to having multiple things in their brain at the same time. Its a complicated relationship. It doesnt mean that they hate each other or anything like that, but shes not talk to this man in two years and there she is sitting in front of him in a courtroom i also think about all the other times that weve heard about hope hicks are seen her. She provided testimony to the january 6 committee Behind Closed Doors in a Deposition Room we saw the video of it, but she was not before the world really she testified in the Molar Investigation not before the world there were so many times and hope hicks was at the center of these incredible dramas in trump world, but never like this and that is so different for her personally, but also for their relationship. And do you also think about in the january 6 contexts . The parts of her the evidence that they presented in the hearing that came from her, where she was afraid about her livelihood after january 6 happened things happened between them that they it sounds like they probably havent really dealt with and she this is this is yet another thing that shes going to have two once again, deal with donald trump about at some point. Well, i think theres a reason that they havent spoken in those two years that period that she said today of why that was that was when the congressional hearings were happening and thats when we found out that she had spoken to them. And you got to actually hear her testimony to them and youve got to read her text and her texts on january 6th, were really critical of trump saying that he was wiping Away Everything that they had done. She obviously was in the white house left and returned and she was also saying that people who didnt have jobs lined up, were now going to be labeled domestic terrorists. They werent going to be able to get jobs it calls a huge break with her and with ivanka trump, she doesnt have a Good Relationship with the trump family anymore. I dont by the way, she started working for the trump family through ivanka trump. That was the initial entry. Well, she came back to january 6. They did when she came back to the white house, she worked she reported to Jared Kushner and so she was a daughter to donald trump. I mean, the fact that they havent spoken in two years theres is incredibly significant. Shes not coming back to help with his campaign. And i think also we talk about what her reaction was in the room. She hasnt seen him in two years, has been in the same room. And as i dont think its that weird that she didnt look at him. I mean, youd have to really crane your neck to look over because hes seated to the right of the witness, but it speaks to the break in their relationship that the first time that they were reunited is in a criminal trial. You know what . Im sorry. I was looking when she started crying. My maybe im nosy i immediately wanted to see what trump would do. It was that moment when the securities were cleared away and i had a clear shot of Donald Trumps face as ive is profile. And we looked over because she then left the stand to walk away from im adjusting her hair almost as a shield and she walks over and walks behind them, doesnt make eye contact with his face is one of concern. His eyebrows were sort of towards her as you would look at Somebody Concern is if to ask, are you okay . And i thought in that moment it was an interesting moment given that advent two years, he didnt seem like he was looking like almost incredulous that she would have the audacity of emotion. He seemed as if this was someone he was concerned about in that moment, i was just gonna say everyone in trump world as expendable with, i would say hope hicks is among the few exceptions he always had genuine affection for her. I think but seeing her in this position, being reminded of the relationship that broke, i think is very different than virtually any other person who he could easily throw under the bus. There was a real closeness in that relation. We got to take a quick break. Theres Something Else i want to talk about the release kinda really stunned me in the courtroom today. And also well talk about hope hicks is testimony about the access Hollywood Tape coming out before the 26 13 election. Candidate trump told me at the time and with the prosecution hopes to gain from bringing it into their case, plus a Jury Consultant joins us with his taken one juror is made of Hope Hicks On The Stand second round of the nba is about timberwolves, Snowdrifts Coverage begins tomorrow, which six, 30 nba playoffs presented by google pixel with conference semifinals covers presented by Wing Star On Tnt A Florida Man is hospitalized, infected with anthrax sunday this became the bureaus number war crime to solve how we really happen with jesse l. Martin sunday at nine on cnn when youre the leader, is asked the cleanup and respiration. How do you make like it never even happened happened brandi whatever