This Special Edition of see three 60 the Karen Mcdougal interview mcdougal is one of the women at the center of former president trumps Hush Money Trial. She says they had an Affair Starting in 2006 that lasted around ten months the former president denies an affair with mcdougal or a sexual relationship with Stormy Daniels. Karen mcdougal was paid by the company that owns the National Enquirer for her story as part of a catch and kill scheme i spoke to her about it back in 2018 Karen Mcdougal had never told her story on camera in full until this interview, and shes never done an interview like it since if we could just start at the beginning. How did you meet donald trump . I met donald whenever filming the Celebrity Apprentice at the playboy mansion, they were filming there and i was hired as one of deployments to work at the pool party, seen as quite funny, actually. And youd worked for playboy for some time yes. I after becoming play mated the year i was required to work, so many events with playboy. And that was one of the events that i thought would be fun and i worked at and there are a lot of women there and we just saw had a great time and thats where we met how did you actually meet he said hello, like, he would to anybody and then throughout the night, it was dave was kind of obvious that there was an attraction from his part to me. And i kinda just blew it off. You can see him looking at you oh, i could see it. And the playboy bunny, shes like the house mom is what we call her. She actually made a comment like, wow, this guy is really into you, and thats when i started like paying attention and he was and i smile that it that it was kinda cute and funny. And then at the end of the nights after striking up many conversations, we exchange, he actually asked me to write his phone my phone number down for for him to keith did you want to see him again i thought it would be nice to communicate with him and talked to him. I actually at that point, didnt consider dating are going out with him, but i did think hes interesting person. He is brilliant and i like smart minds and i think that i was interested in a communication for sure so when was the next communication i believe we talked right away in the phone and i think we talked for about a week on the phone before his next visit to la and that was his birthday, which i think is june 12, would would you call you . He would call me i would call him vice versa. So you had his phone number . I havent many of us on the road. Yes. Do you have his Address Number for him or did you have to go through somebody . Yes. I have as direct phone number, i have quite a few of the direct phone number is i also had Bodyguard Keith phone number i had is personal secretaries phone number. And what were the conversations like . The conversations were like any other conversation you have with a nice person. We got along great. We had respect for each other we had fun. We were funny together. We had a good time we will talk about anything and everything from what kind of food you like to house your family. He asked me how my family was to politics, to anything like normal, everyday life, conversations. So tell me about your first date. Our first date, i was told we were going to go to the Beverly Hills hotel for dinner so he had told me that keith has bodyguard was going to pick me up at a certain time and he didnt and then we were driving over to the Beverly Hills hotel and keith drove around to the back and he said, we have to get out here because we dont want to walk through the hotel. And at that minute, im like thinking to myself, are we going to her room because i thought we were having dinner at their Bilbo Hills Hotel in the actual restaurant right . Well, we did have dinner at the Beverly Hills hotel, but in his bungalow instead, we had dinner there for a few hours. We talked for a few hours. We had a great time. Were getting to know each other were . Talking about his birthday. And then as the night ended, we were intimate. When you got to the remal ios hotel and keats were not gonna go through the lobby. Were gonna go was it to a room at the Beverly Hills hotel or a suite or it was a bundle and back its the one he said he always stayed at. And in fact, every time that i met him there, it was the same exact bungalow and hes told that the Nicest Bundle they had so i guess thats why he chose that one, but thats yeah, thats where we went every time. Were you concerned when you realize youre not going to go out to dinner, youre actually going to be getting in the bunk load. I think that first night i was concerned because i didnt i wasnt expecting to go to a hotel room or bungalow, whatever you want to call it i actually thought we were going to dinner, so it was a big concern. And i think at that moment is when i realized maybe Something Else is going on. Im a smart girl. I i probably could have figured it out, but i really wasnt thinking. I think i was so faris to actually meet with him in general that it kinda just didnt even think it wasnt my Thought Process at that moment. I was just too nervous to actually meet him. So were you attracted to him . I was attracted to him. Yeah. He sees a nicelooking man and i like just charisma. I think i love good, great posture. Hes got great posture and he has nice show. Theres the sex was consensual it wasnt clear. Yes and what happened afterward after that night, you said it should have ended on a strange node. So what happened after you had been intimate well after we had been instrument, he he tried to pay me and i actually didnt know how to take that. And he actually tried to hand you money. He did he did and i said, i mean, i just had those look of just i dont even know how to describe the look on my face must have been so sad because i never been offered money like that before. Number one, bring number two, i thought does he think that im in this for money or why im here tonight . Or is this a normal thing . I didnt know but i looked at him and i said thats not me. Im not that kind of girl and he said, oh, and he said, youre really special. And i was like, thank you. I left. I actually got into the car for kids to take me home. Sorry, crying. I was really sad and it really hurt me. But i went back. Hurt you that he saw you in that way . Yes. It hurt me that he saw me in that light and he obviously assumed that thats the kind of girl i was maybe because i was a playmate i dont know. But even though youd had a night of conversation and days of conversation it hurt you that boil down in the end to that its it hurt me. It did hurt me. I was crying in the backseat of the car like i said, i got home and into my apartment and i cried for a lot. I felt really terrible about myself, let alone he felt but i felt terrible about myself and i got over it. But did you think you would see him again . I didnt i didnt think id see him again, but then when he called, i was a bad place in life. I just came out of a bad relationship where i never felt good enough in my relationship and not that thats any excuse. Its not. But i think i was so down on myself that when he called and he is so sweet like what everyone sees on tv. I didnt see in that man because that man was a very sweet, very respectful, very loving, very kind, and caring like thats the man i saw. Hes you can be very charming inperson. Its very charming, is very sweet. As personality to me was wow, but i loved it. It was great. When do when was the next time you saw him . Id have to look back at my i took journal back in the day and not just for anything in particular, but i till this day i still write down everything i do during the day thats what i do if i looked at that, i could find out, but i think it was that same couple of days within a week because he was in town when it came to la, he was usually there between three, between 3567 days and i usually saw him. You gave us the journal that you kept. You would write down on days you saw him, you you wouldnt write how his full name . No, i either call them t or dt because if anyone found this i wouldnt want to expose myself or expose him. So theres a number of days here. It looks like dozens over the course of time with those small little dt and sometimes theyre hard to see i purposely kind of Chicken Scratch to a lot on there because i know what im writing. And like i said, to this day, i still do that with my notes and where im where im at, who i talked to, whatever i did i did write that down, so did i see him quite a few times, quite a bit absolutely. We spent a lot of time together and did you tell friends about it at the time . I did. I told a few friends. I told my sister, i actually told my mother that i knew him and we talked on a regular basis, but i told her that we were just friends and she scolded me a little bit like, i hope its only friends because, you know, is married and im like, yes, i understand. My sister actually her own she was with me one time and she i couldnt hold the phone because i was busy. So she put him on speaker and we were just talking. I mean, i didnt care. Its like she knew anyway. So when you have a relationship with somebody, you dont hide it, right . If theres feelings, you dont hide their relationship. Did he ever asked you to hide it . No, he didnt number. So there was never a conversation of dont in fact, i think once he asked, does your sister no. And i said, yeah, she knows hes like all so he wasnt afraid to hide it at all. And you knew he was married . I did. Did he bring up his wife did you bring it up no. I i never brought up his wife. He did once and thats the only time i can remember when you said she was an intelligent woman . She needed like, i dont know, four or five languages. But other than that, he never talked about his wife and i never brought her up i obviously, theres a reason i dont bring it up because i felt guilty about it. So i after never seen her until the one occasion. I never correlated the two really, i just kinda out of sight out of mind. When you met it was 2006, correct . Was this shortly after his son had been born yeah. Ls what would he talked about his child. His son . No the only thing you said about his son was isnt the name baron a nice name . I said, yeah, it is. I said, how did you choose that name . And he told me and thats no conversation as you enter a relationship, obviously in any relationship, you start to think about where this is going to go and how you feel and how did you view it . How did you view the relationship . You know, going through it . When i look back where i was back then, i know its wrong. Like im really sorry for that. I know its a wrong thing to do. But back in those days, sorry okay back in that de i was a different girl. I you know, i had fun. I was in the playboy is seen i was just enjoying life as much as i could and you know, when i got what him actually, you know, there was a there was a real Relationship Chip there, there was real they were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just home. There was a real relationship there and i kinda out of sight, out of mind with everything else. In steven sayyed, i did have a lot of guilt but i still continue, you believe though, that he had real feelings for you . Of course, he did i know we did. You would say that hey, ten. Were you in love with him . I lost yeah. And do you think he was in love with you . He was. Yeah. Did donald trump ever say to you that he loved you all the time . He always told me he loved me yeah. Of course. Did he have any nicknames for you . He had called me baby or had called me beautiful karen. What do always see him just in los angeles . Know no, i wouldnt i actually went to a Golf Tournament with him in lake tahoe i went to his golf course and in california i went to his his golf course home in new jersey and went to his home in new york and trying to think where else i cant recall right now. Yeah. When you say what you would arrange to go some place, how would it be arranged . I would pay for the flight. I would book it myself i would book the hotel room if i wasnt staying with him. Usually i stayed with him, but theres been a couple of times where i didnt and then he would reimburse me. So at the flight was i dont know. Llosa number of the flight was 500. Hed give me 500 and say, heres take care of the flight and things like that. So why would he have you book all the travel and the hotel rooms theres no paper trail and did you realize that at the time . Yes, i did. Because he was concerned about it being revealed at some point and there being a paper trail oh, i was told this theres no payables your paper trail. I cant say what his reasons were about i i would assume thats the case, yes. Yes. You said you went to a Golf Tournament and tahoe . I did. There are other women now whove come forward saying that they also had met with him and had sex with him at that event, were you aware of any other women yeah, i was not. I mean, i was with them a lot so i didnt see anything but could he have had stayed a day longer than me . Sure did you think that this relationship was going to last for a long time . Did you have then you did . Know i i felt it was getting much stronger there were no gifts ever but a Christmas Gift on i got him a gift and then he told me the gift. He got me wasnt apartment in new york, but its being remodeled right now and i never saw the apartment because i ended up breaking up or ending the relationship. But that was supposedly my gift. I dont know. You went to his actual apartment in trump tower . I did i didnt know i was going there i actually had a hotel room in the city at that time. Well for this trip, what was it like going at trump tower i didnt know i was at trump tower. We went into the Back Entrance, so i had no idea where we were actually the back interests, as you know, probably is more discrete. Its like a little nothing hallway versus like when you walk into the grand right so we went to the Back Entrance and then at that time i realized where were going and i said, arent you afraid to bring me here . Hes like they wont say anything and im like, okay, so we went upstairs and we looked around and to his office or to his apartment in his apartment. He showed me around where do you think of the department . Its very gold. No, actually, its actually quite pretty. The views were amazing. Its a beautiful apartments. They have great taste. And he showed you around the apartment. He did did you reference meloni that point he did the trump Hush Money Trial gavel to gavel coverage. This is unprecedented to have a candidate for the white house as a criminal defendant. Weve never ben here the weight only cnn can bring it to you because he never reporters are covering every angle of this trial. Legal insight, expert analysis. 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