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Transcripts For CNNW The 20240702

Harder. We could its harder, but you know, if youre truly a skilled chef, you can grill that fish or how about some veggies thats also down on the list, but i like my healthier things unless its the jewish deli, in which case i go red meat, dairy engine. Youre skilled at everything you do enjoy your holiday weekend. You as well. My friend. All of you, please do enjoy the holiday as well. The news continues. The source with Kaitlan Collins starts now saving the source tonight, both donald trump and joe bidens campaigns are prepping for a verdict. The question thats still or mainz guilty. Or not guilty. We are potentially days away from knowing as the Presumptive Republican nominee, as lashing out on social media he calls himself helped the Law And Order president. But of all the people to invite on stage last night, donald trump picked two rappers who are awaiting trial on murder, conspiracy charges we have the details. Also, three missionaries who were gunned down in haiti, including a married couple from the United States. For learning new details of their tragic deaths. And well speak with one of the victims fathers tonight. Im kaitlin collins, and this is the source were really finding ourselves on the cusp of history tonight. Because by this time next week, we may finally know whether or not donald trump will be a convicted felon, or whether a jury of his peers here in manhattan will find him not guilty. Its hard to think of a more memorable or really a more stressful Memorial Day Weekend. Its hard to even imagine what its like for this jury that is made up of seven men and five women, all 12 of whom are about to decide the former president s fate. Both the defense and the prosecution are now preparing for their Closing Arguments that theyll deliver this coming to tuesday. And weve just learned tonight that both parties now having their hands, the Jury Instructions. Its a crucial document given its what jurors will hear from the judge before they begin to deliberate and make their decision. Itll outline what they should consider when theyre determining if trump is indeed guilty or not. And all of that is certainly on the former president s mind tonight, its not hard to tell because he is posting up a storm about the case. And one post tonight, hes ranting that the judge blocked him from having an Election Expert testify. But thats not true. We were there. We witnessed this discussion that happened inside the courtroom. Trumps attorneys, in the end, chose not to call that Election Expert because the judge refused to broaden the scope of what he could testify to. He was worried it would become as the judge put it, a battle of the experts. As we know, trump also could have testified in his own defense here. He said that he would at the beginning, but in the end, he opted not to, as is his choice so what happens if trump is convicted next week . The possibility of prison time we know does exist, but prosecutors arent expected to ask that of the foreign president that he be taken into custody immediately if he is, of course, that is a big if tonight im joined by a pair of legal sources, retired new York City Criminal Court judge george girl. So and who has been sitting in that new york court . Ive seen him in there every single day that ive been in there as well as Jury Consultant or not us to beall who has been here many times as well. I mean, we are really in the final countdown of what weve been talking for six weeks about what these jurors have heard, what the two sides have argued when these Jury Instructions that both sayyed god, we confirmed last night, but the prosecution and the defense god what the judge heard. And you were in the room as they were arguing about this because its not something that got a lot of attention, but it may be one of the most important moments in this trial. What the jury is going to hear absolutely. Absolutely. From what i saw, i have not seen the final instructions, but from what i eyesore has been the case throughout Charge Merchan has been incredibly fair there was an issue if we there at the time of at the time of the conference i was there in the morning and afternoon, so there was an issue with respect to cause whether or not how the jury would be instructed on whether or not trump actually cause the Business Records to be falsified is important. Its crucial and what de was arguing for was the standard of reasonable foreseeability that based upon the generalized evidence that it could be concluded, that people acted in general ledgers and with respect to invoices based on what they thought trump wanted and the defense was arguing, well, that means the stanza is going to be caused. The causer and the judge indicated that he wasnt thrilled with the reasonably foreseeable standard and he was looking for a more clear cut causation. And assuming thats what he did, it just showed to me at the time that the judge was was listening to vaults tides and making indications that he was going to be fatter because it seemed like the prosecution was fine with a broader definition of what the jury was going to be presented with. Wild trumps attorneys wanted it to be pretty clear cut and specific, right . Heres heres the bad news for everyone and the judge did an excellent job of explaining the legal but xus i have watched hundreds, if not thousands, of jurors deliberate in Trial Simulations and mock trials and focus groups heres what happens they barely Pay Attention to the Jury Instructions. I know everybody says theyre crucial. First of all, they wont have a copy. And when we run simulations, we do mock juries. We give every juror a copy of the Jury Instructions you know how frequently they look at them. Almost never. Well, why dont they get a copy of that . Because under new york law, theyre not entitled to have an actual physical copy of the Jury Instructions. They can ask for read backs. They can ask for a copy of the statute but thats like if youre a student and youre taking a test, one of the most important test of your lifetime and the teacher is going to read you the prompt, but you dont physically get to look at the prompt . Correct. And you can take notes, but the notion that theyre going to have a real grasp on the legal issues that they need to decide is just a fiction. You over it so much. There are two lawyers on the jury. So that symbol lawyers theres still lawyers and i think they will uniquely appreciate the importance of the destruction of the instructions. But having said what i just said and taking into account your expert views, i think Donald Trumps defendant, trumps still has a major problem because even assuming that the judge did not go, judge with sean did not go with the reasonable foreseeable standard and the de is going to have to jump through more hoops with the general ledger aspect of the counts is 34 counts and then theres the theres the voucher. The vouchers that were submitted, the invoices, and then theres the checks. Right. But again, given that and given what you witnessed on as they were debating this, how does that shape . What, what is happening right now, which is what the problem . Prosecution is doing, and what the Defense Attorneys are doing to shape their Closing Arguments based on that, to tailor it to the dermis is what this is what nine of the counts on nine checks donald trump signed so on those nine counts anyway whether its reasonable foreseeable standard are more direct quasi he caused those nine if the jury believes the evidence, which i think is abundant when he signed each of those checks he was he was taking Direct Action to falsify the document. I think the only Jury Instruction that ive seen that is going to make any difference and it is very crucial is that the jurors do not have to be unanimous. As to the underlying crime that he was another another grace trying to conceal by falsifying. They dont have to be unanimous. So you could have three jurors think it was a tax crime. Three other jurors could think go as some new york election crime. Other jurors could think go was a federal Campaign Finance crimes its not typical, but weve never had a prosecution like this, so we have legal issues in this case that are untested. What they havent with appellate review. So, you know, i mean, even if he is convicted, this is going to go on and on and on. And of course, you could have a scenario where it gets convicted, loses the election and his conviction gets reversed on it. Theres a lot of permutations. But right now were looking at what we think is going to happen going into next week. And my fundamental point is i believe very strongly that the strongest of the 34 counts are the nine checks that donald trump sayyed for 35,000. He by the way listed on these checks as retainers when there was no no retainer. Furthermore, there is a very a piece of evidence in this case that if its not a smoking gun, its very close to a small number, 35 yes. Exhibit 35 were not just the handwriting of weisselberg, but its the banks statement because you talk about how important that is this jury, though, is just had a week off. They will by the time theyre back in the courtroom. I mean, theyre about to have the entire Memorial Day Weekend plans. I imagine how do they talk about those exactly how do they avoid not talking about this . Every they dont, they dont. This is very surprising to give a jury this amount of time to sort of marinate in the evidence before theyre going to come back here summations im being serious like theyre going to see friends and Family Members who are going to say, oh what have you been up to i know that their names are not known to the public to us, but obviously their friends, their families, their work colleagues, their neighbors Everybody Knows where they are. So even if theyre not violating the judges order, arent people going to say things to them, arent people may begin to say, you know, i hope you do the right thing. I hope you convict him even if they dont do any germs ever get caught, their was was to look things up there as just a research this case or watch tv about it, or go on social media. Do they were get caught actually having done that . However, of course, there have been circumstances where jurors havent been done the right thing and theyve been what there have been cases where jurors have been bought off now and things of that nature. I mean, weve a lot of things have happened in the amount of time that weve been trying cases in new york and around the United States, but i have to say ive been in that courtroom every day. I was there for all of Jury Selection i think this is a very diligent and dedicated jury and judge judge merchan had a Master Stroke in the beginning when he had like the first panel of 96 jurors and he said, anybody who doesnt think they can be fair, this isnt the case for you. Raise your hand right there. Half the jurors left, but i just want to finish. So i believe that the jury that was ultimately selected is a dedicated jury. Theyre paying attention to everything. I havent taken a lot of notes, but im watching them and every time i look at them, theyre all zone on then i think theyre going to go another way. If they hear people talking about this over the weekend, i think they are going to do everything they can to be buttoned up. And i think they respect the judge. A temptation is there for us. Theres a huge crossover notice to bill fascinating few days for them. And so we, will be watching it all closely. Of course, dont forget, i will be anchoring special coverage of this trial when these Closing Arguments began, that starts Tuesday Morning at 9 00 a. M. Here on cnn. So be able and be sure that you are tuning in with this trial winding down, though, there is a question about how President Biden is handling this, and apparently he is winding up the next phase of his campaign against trump we know now with some help from hollywood, also the former president s decision to indict to invite to indicted wrappers on the state. Did that right . Rally last night here in new york by the way, we found out they are facing Murder Conspiracy charges those source weve cable lun collins, brought to you by jp morgan Wealth Management thinking im thinking about her honeymoon. But what africa so far, Hot Air Balloon Reis when with elephants, weight three, four to safari. Great question. Like everything takes a little planning or but the mind towards a down payment on a ranch in montana with horses. 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Monday, that aid on cnn some Breaking News just in tonight as we are learning that the Special Counsel, jack smith and his prosecutors are now asking a federal judge in florida for a Gag Order On Former President Donald Trump in the classified documents case what they want is to limit his ability to comment about Law Enforcement that searched his maralago resort two years ago, the request is a first in this case, but here is the important context. It comes after the for president and many of his republican allies have been repeatedly exaggerating and falsely criticizing the vi for the views of deadly force policy that was in place during that search of his maralago resort for the classified documents after he did not turn them over and in response to a subpoena, now, we saw Attorney General Merrick Garland pushing back on this this we can talking about how dangerous he believes it is because of course this is a standard Greeting Procedure for the fbi when this search happens, they actually went into maralago with a much lighter presence than it had been authorized by a Search Warrant that was authorized by a Magistrate Judge in the state of florida. They did not have their guns drawn and they were not wearing fbi shirts instead, werent normal clothes. But that is hasnt stopped the former president from repeatedly going on social media and targeting these Law Enforcement officers who were there, of course, they have their names given, they have the documents theyve been redacted in the filings that we have seen. But this is a notable first in this case, we have our

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