Robertson in the West Bank and this is cnn hello again and welcome. Its time to break down the big stories with some smart people. Today. The Count Countdown to the showdown. Kamala Harris And Donald Trump Face off tuesday in their big debate were looking at every angle from what they need to do to win, too, changing the narrative can both candidates convinced those still undecided voters theyre not as extreme as their opponents says they are later. Pencils down the centuries old tradition, your kids may soon say, is old school. The panel is here and ready to go. So sit back, relax, and lets talk about up first, T Minus three days until Kamala Harris and donald Trump Meet for the first time. And square off today, were discussing their messages, the pitfalls they need to avoid and the tactics they should use and like any contest, the best indicator is looking at past performance mr. Vice president , im speaking i have im speaking. Kamala harris, as long used her experience as a prosecutor, could go on the attack. Dale great. Today that you were wrong to oppose bussing in america from cornering Joe Biden during a 2019 debate because your City Council made that that decision it was. That. All government must grilling Trump Nominees while in congress can you think of any law that gives the government the power to make decisions about the male body. Im not thinking of any right now, center now, shell face a new opponent whos known for trading barbs. I made a mistake hey, using a private email thats for sure. But while Donald Trump likes to interrupt rational left, will you shut up who was his restraint during Cnns Debate in june that allowed Joe Biden to ramble, dealing with everything we have to do with setting up trump to counterpunch. I really dont know what he said at The End of their sentence. I dont think he knows what he said either here with me today. Podcaster, Journalist And Author Kara Swisher, reihan salam, president of the Manhattan Institute and national review, Contributing Editor New York Times journalist and the interview podcast host, lulu garcia garcianavarro. And conservative pollster and New York Times Opinion Writer kristen soltis anderson. Welcome back everyone, kristen, let me start with you what does harris need to do to win harris needs to make sure that she does not let Donald Trump rally her, that she continues to make him look small and that She Persuasively convinces those voters who are in the center who do not like Donald Trump, but do not want to vote for somebody whos very progressive that her conversion to the center is legitimate. She needs to be credible, that she has made this moderate pivot and she means for it to stick so were focusing right now on performance and tactics will get two issues. And then in the next segment, in terms of what she needs to do to win the debate is not the key. Were kristen said, dont let trump rattle you know, she needs to show up she looks she looks like the future he looks like the past he is an 80yearOld Man. She is 20 years his junior. And so i think the visuals, this is a visual medium, are going to speak for themselves. So just the two of them on the stage together at those two separate podium. I mean, she can string a sentence together he really struggles with that. Well, certainly but carol looking at performance, what does Trump Need to do to win . I think he has to be able to string a sentence together in the last week, hes had real trouble the economic Club Appearance was bizarre and he seemed adult during that. And i think so he has to be very clear, crisp and he Cant Scare any more women. I think thats one of the things and it says in the way that she has to assure men that she is she is not theres someone she can vote for, so shes got to attract men and he has to stop repelling up on that with you because some people are saying hes got to be careful how he treats a woman and some people are saying that she is a woman has to be careful in the way he treats them. Do particular, i dont think if he said something offensive, i think she just cannot respond. She cannot she cant be selfrighteous. Unfortunately, she cant be angry. She should be angry, but she cant because because because women suffer when they look like theyre going to get judge, by their demeanor, by their likability. I mean, Donald Trump can say any number of things things that are completely out of whack and he doesnt get judged by the same standard nor the most mad we know that there is a way that women, especially female politicians, get judged. Hillary clinton dealt with it. Kamala harris is dealing with well in terms of trump he has made it clear that he learned his lesson from his constant interruptions of Joe Biden back in 20 20. And it paid off when he debated the president. Again, justice june you know, when i had biden you and i had the same discussion and i let him talk im going to let her talk ryan. What does Trump Need to do against harris . I think thats a big part of it. He has to make sure that he lets harris speak. There is a universe of voters who believe that trump has better positions, positions closer to their own on the economy, on inflation, on those big Kitchen Table issues they dont necessarily love his personality. They dont necessarily think that he is someone that they want to be around, have a beer with think that hes the most stable, great guy. But they do think that his Track Record was strong and solid. He needs to foreground that and he needs to foreground the record of the Bidenharris Administration going again, focus its on issues in the next minute. Here, were talking more tactics and performance our lula and kara, right . He can say anything he wants. I mean, back in 2016, he talked about what a nasty woman, Hillary Clinton was. Can he get away with that again, i think it would be a mistake because he needs to change its the momentum of the race right now. And i think being disciplined and sticking to issues is going to be as best bet. What do you think about that in terms of how he needs to treat her . I think eight years ago, he could get away with being abrasive to Hillary Clinton in a way that he wont be able to get away with this time because frankly, eight years ago, Hillary Clinton this is opponent. She was not well liked either were for harris. Shes in this interesting moment where a lot of voters are still trying to make up their mind about her. So if he goes out and hes a bully and hes a jerk. I think it would play different now than it did at an issues the joyful warrior that shes put out there that idea where she seems palatable to especially man, i hate to say it, but shes got seem palatable and strong at the same time. I think she is has the advantage and then he looks like an adult Old Man whos, who has issues with racism and misogyny. And thats where a little bit just ask you one thing about that, kara, because we played the clip in the piece which was one of the highlights of her debate with pence in 2020 when she said, im talking right, mr. Vice president , can she do that or is she going to look no. No. And the thing is interestingly, today, he did it again where he taught was talking about e. Jean carroll, and he essentially said shes not the type of person i would sexually harassed. He kind of had a weird comment. And so if he does those where comments shes just got to get out of his way and let them do them. And i think he can help so lulu, for instance, and her interview with Dana Bash when she was asked about him questioning her Race And Gender that she that was the right thing to do. Basically say its the old tired playbook. Next question and not engaged at all. I think shes he cant get dragged down into the mud with him and i dont think that its going to be very useful for her to go and do this backandforth about in black i am, you know, you dont want to give him the Playing Field and let him define her but i do think what she does have to cme is that is on message she this is a huge opportunity for her to speak to The American people and if she can actually speak to The American people and make sure that she is the one defining what subjects are talked about. Then i think shell do very, very well, do not let him be the one to drag her into these eddies and flows of the things that he likes to talk about which are these . Incendiary topics. All alright as always say, were focusing here about tactics and performance and thats not nothing debates will often remembered not for someones best moment, but for their worst. And here are a couple of hours i dont believe that the polls consider themselves dominated by the soviet union. I had a discussion with my daughter, amy the other day before i came here to ask you what the most important issue while she said she thought nuclear weaponry im you know, im not sure that people who werent around in 1980 realize how bad the was. Amy, i dont know if she was 1012 or whatever. And the idea that he was asking her and she said nuclear weaponry, Jimmy Carter, that was a big bad moment for him in that debate. Kristen, who do you think is more likely to make a gauff here . I think its harris and thats not because i think Donald Trumps not likely to say something thats out there, but rather that Donald Trump saying something thats out there or odd is in some ways priced into how people feel about him. Where because harris is the way voters think about her is still a little bit more in flux and because she really has not been in an unscripted format for more than 1015 minutes at a time, only once with Dana Bash, i just think theres a real theres more or saying something thats going to make these voters were making up their minds go never mind. I dont think so. I couldnt disagree with you more. I think it is priced in right that Donald Trump is going to say something crazy. But every time he says something crazy there is going to be a lot of focus on him and on his messages. I mean it is an empty shell. You saw his big economic address. There was no there there. We have to get past this idea that donald . Trump is this magical being that whatever he does, whatever he says, its going to be fine. I actually think that people are very keyed into this race. It is Neck And Neck. And theres going to be a lot of focus on what he says and the fact that he just cant actually have a coherent idea from their tactics to their talking points. Donald trump consistently mixes policy with rants about his past grievances. Can stick to a message about the future. Then caught in the middle as israel and hamas blamed each other for the continued fighting can President Biden do anything to get a Ceasefire Deal and lighter, Cool Tran the head headscratching fad that has people decorating a part of their home few will ever see i think you do that, dont have to gather secret deco Kamala Harris, Donald Trump, the debate. Everyones been waiting for follows cnn for complete coverage and exclusive pre and post of analysis. A cnn special event, the abc News President ial debate. 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Jean Carroll Case that found trump sexually abused and defamed her, then holding a News Conference where he attacked several women who accused him of Sexual Misconduct it couldnt have happened. It didnt happen and she would not have been the chosen one. She would not have been the chosen one. The chosen one for his sexual abuse. Kara, i can trump, focus on our future instead of his past, whether its the stolen election in 2020 or the unfair prosecutor didnt do it this week. And what was a layup that economic speech should have been a layup and it certainly wasnt that was bizarre you know i dont think he can i dont know what is happening with him you know, theres not nearly enough discussion about his cognitive abilities because he seems to jump from thing to thing but i dont think he can he can do that. She will be pushing the economy, including on tariffs just this week, Goldman Sachs backed her on this issue, with which is that would be at a high cost to americans to have to tariffs and then Mark Cuban and a pretty prominent investor was saying, shes good for the economy. Shes got a lot of people saying she wont be. So i think she should focus on that as well as the last Thing Abortion and childrens safety, this shooting in georgia was disturbing, but the idea of keeping kids safe and having women have control of themselves i think are big issues, christian, it is pretty remarkable that 60 days before the election on friday, trump held a 45 minute News Conference to complain about the e Jean Carroll case and then to call out not just her, but several women who have accused him of Sexual Misconduct can he for the 90 minutes of that debate, stay away from that and focus on issues, not his past grievances. The only reason i think that its even remotely possible is because of the relative restraint that he showed during his debate with biden, where that was one where he could have unleashed himself in full and undercut his own message, but he didnt. He was able to hold it together for 90 minutes. So well, in general, the idea of Donald Trump and restrained going together does not seem like we should expect it. Theres a chance he could hold it together and its essential that he does because every time he reminded as the voters who have think unfavorably about him, why they think then favorably about h