iraqi accent oh, these Boston Red Sox are oh, boy. Thats right. But the defeat of Saddam Hussein may be but the appetizer on a banquet of american whoopass. Though the United States military has digested and passed an entire middle eastern country its maw hangs slack and drooling for more. Syria in particular has been the subject of much saber rattling among the hawks and the bush administration, or as theyre collectively known, the bush administration. [laughter] secretary of state Donald Rumsfeld has said he believes syria is harboring low level members of Saddam Husseins regime. When asked recently if syria was next after iraq, the secretary responded, it depends on peoples behavior. Certainly i have nothing to announce, a dark hint from rumsfeld, who is the only high Ranking Member of the United States government ever to speak entirely in dark hints. [laughter] deputy secretary of defense Paul Wolfowitz whose ideology is a wheelchair away from dr. Strangeloves, is also casting an eye on damascus, as mentioned on a recent meet the press. Theres gotta be change in syria. I think a lot of countries, including syria will eventually get the message from this. [laughter] wolfowitz is the principal architect of americas new doctrine of preemptive warfare and was recently dubbed bushs brainiest hawk by time magazine, which was no slight to rumsfeld earlier in the year was named people magazines most intriguing hawk. He was also honored with jane magazines hot hawk alert for january. [laughter] that is he there . No . [applause] not a problem. I would have expected some nudity from that. As for syria, some have speculated the reason weve had such trouble finding Saddam Husseins weapons of mass destruction is that he sent the weapons to syria. The cia has also said the syrians possess chemical and biological weapons although the cia later admitted it was just a half a box of ant powder and a tin of rancid ham. But in the wrong hands, diarrhea. Now, since the beginning of all this weapons of mass destruction, regime change, pockets of resistance, targets of opportunity business, its been difficult to have an honest discussion about the direction president bush is taking this country. In fact, when you combine the new mandate that criticizing the commander in chief is off limits in wartime with last years official disbanding of the democratic party, well, were left at an all time low in the good, oldfashioned, honest debate category. Now i know youre thinking, but jon, every time i want to have a calm, honest discussion about these kinds of issues, im shouted down and harassed by the dixie chicks and their ilk. [laughter] well, tonight, it all changes. Were going to have an honest, open debate between the president of the United States and the one man we believe has the insight and the cojones to stand up to him. So first, joining us tonight george w. Bush, 43rd president of the United States. Welcome, mr. President. Good evening. Im pleased to take your questions tonight. Well, thank you very much, sir. Im pleased to ask. [laughter] taking the other side, joining us from the year 2000, Texas Governor and president ial candidate george w. Bush. Good evening. Jon thank you, governor. Mr. President , you won the coin toss. The first question will go to you. Why is the United States of america using its power to change governments in Foreign Countries . We must stand up for our security and for the permanent rights and the hopes of mankind. The United States of america will make that stand. Well, certainly that represents a bold new doctrine in Foreign Policy, mr. President. Governor bush, do you agree with that . Yeah, i im not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say this is the way its gotta be. [applause] all right. Well, thats a good thing. Um, well, thats a thats a difference of opinion, and certainly, thats what this country is about, differences of opinion. Mr. President , let me just get specific. Why are we in iraq . We will be, um, changing the regime of iraq for the good of the iraqi people. Governor, then, id like to hear your response on that. If were an arrogant nation, theyll theyll resent us. But i think one way for us to end up being viewed as the ugly american is for us to go around the world saying we do it this way. So should you. Well, thats thats an excellent point. Uh, i dont think you can argue with that. Mr. President , is the idea to just build a new country that we like better . We would will down the apparatus of terror, and we will help you to build a new iraq that is prosperous and free. I dont think our troops ought to be used for whats called nationbuilding. Well, thats thats fair enough, governor. I mean, certainly, thats thats youre entitled to that. But then, governor, answer this. How do you propose we nationbuild . Would you use diplomacy . Let me say this to you. I wouldnt use force. I wouldnt use force. [laughter] jon well, mr. President , clearly youre skeptical of the governor. Now, governor, you sound categorically against the use of force. In your time in texas, what have you done to demonstrate your willingness to be tough . Well, ive been standing up to big hollywood, big trial lawyers. Um, what was the question . It was about emergencies, wasnt it . [laughter] no. No, it wasnt. Getting back to iraq, mr. President , youre as familiar with the governors record in texas as anybody. Are you willing are you willing, mr. President to trust governor bush with our Foreign Policy . I am not willing to take that chance again, jon. [laughter] strong words from two very different men. Now, as this debate draws to a close i need to turn to the subject of money. Much of this discussion on Foreign Policy is moot if we cant afford to pay for it. So were running out of time. Quickly, both of you lets talk numbers. Im sending the congress a wartime supplemental appropriations request of 74. 7 billion to fund needs directly arising from the iraqi conflict. 74. 7 billion appears to be within the realm of reason. Governor . Obviously, tonight were going to hear some phony numbers about what i think and what we ought to do. [laughter] wow. Thats a little bit vituperative. Well, on that note, i want to thank both george w. Bushes for taking part tonight. In keeping with our debate rules we will end our discussion with a trite and insincere farewell. Mr. President , you are the most powerful man in the world. You can go first. Goodnight, and may god continue to bless america. Wow. Incredibly insincere. Governor, can you top that . Thanks. Thanks from the bottom of my heart. [laughter] nice. Wow. Now, this has been i have really enjoyed this meeting of the minds. What a historic evening. Its really one for the vaults. 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My guest tonight hes the medical correspondent for cnn and traveled with the us navys medical unit during Operation Iraqi freedom. Please welcome dr. Sanjay gupta. Doctor [music playing] how are you, sir . Thank you. Come on up and sit down. How are ya . Im doing great. Thanks for having me. Oh, please, doctor. Listen, thank well, welcome home. Im glad youre home safe and sound. Yeah, nice transition. Sitting in a tent in the desert, and now here with you guys. And now in a basic cable tent in the middle of manhattan. [laughter] where were you . You were stationed with the us mash unit the navy mash . Right. Theyre naval doctors who work with the marines. They travel. Theyre a mobile surgical unit, so they jon on land, though. Its navy doctors, but theyre not theyre not shipbound. Theyre with the thats right. Theyre on land from northern kuwait into baghdad. Ok, and where did you follow them from kuwait all the way into baghdad . All the way, yeah. We stopped at various places along the way and set up camp and took care of the patients that were coming, iraqi and Coalition Force members, and then eventually made our way into the suburbs of baghdad. Did you have any idea what you were getting yourself into . Because you basically, you were a correspondent but then you got sort of swept into duty and they actually had you performing some operations. Thats right. That sort of came later in the game. I really didnt have an idea of what i was getting myself into. I dont think anybody really knew what to expect for sure but i sort of was the accidental journalist, in a way. We got into northern kuwait right as the war started and had missiles flying over our head, you know, literally hours after we got there. And i had never seen anything like that, so of course jon you hadnt . No. [laughter] and i was think i thought it was normal, so im still digging into my cold spaghetti. Look around and all the marines are hitting the deck and finally figured it out. But yeah, and then we just sort of moved further north on convoys and by planes and all sorts of different things. Did you did you go through a Training Session . Did you have any did they did they have a jump seat for you . Were they like well, all the embedded reporters do go through war zone training. We learn some pretty basic things about what to look for how to protect ourselves things like that. But you know, its like anything else. I think until youre actually there you dont really know what youre getting yourself into. And as you mentioned, i got im a neurosurgeon and they didnt have any neurosurgeons with the particular unit, so they asked me if i would participate, perform an operation. It ended up being on five patients but the first one was a twoyearold child and it was one of those situations where as a journalist, you know, we were there to cover the story, not be the story. But it was absolutely the right thing to do. Well, as a doctor, thats thats a tough one, unless, of course, youre not on call that night. Thats right. [laughter] and then, of course, you can say sorry, guys. Im sorry. Youll have to page someone else. Exactly. Did you have equipment . I mean, especially as a neurosurgeon, i imagine those are the most delicate, the most fine instruments of anybody operating in that theater. Do you have anything like that . Well, no. Not at all. And you know, just to give you a sense again, you really have to be there to understand, but its a tent in the middle of the desert. I mean, theres just its austere. Theres sand blowing everywhere. Its hot 120 degrees. Oftentimes, youre wearing your flak jacket underneath your operating gown, so its just impossible circumstances. You still go with the operating gown . Well, you try to be as sterile as possible. Oh, thats what thats ok, i didnt realize that. [laughter] you know what i always thought that was . I thought it was a judge thing. It was just like its a flowing its like a the surgeon has arrived. You know, so you dont have to wear underwear. [laughter] i mean, thats crazy. But thats so youre wearing your protective gear kevlar, flak jackets, everything, then your sterile gown. Thats right. 120 and what kind of equipment do they have . Well, see, its a thing because i didnt really have anything to do what is called a craniotomy, which is an operation on the head to try and get to the brain. So we were just taking whatever we could find to try and do this. A gun shot we actually ended up using a black decker drill. We sterilized it jon oh, my god. And scored the boned with that, then took a pair of scissors to try and open up the bone. It was literally like macgyver surgery. We cut the inside of an iv bag and cut the inside of it and used that for the outer layer of the brain. I mean, it was just anything you could do just to say, though, to all you home hobbyists out there [laughter] do not try this. Even if you have a dremel, which i know are easier to operate. Whered you get a black decker drill out there . Well, they were actually using that to set up the tents and we just took the bits jon youre kidding and we sterilized them and then used the bits off the black decker. They put gloves over the drill so i could hold it and then we just scored the bone with it. Jon were you stunned at the pressure that these military doctors are under . Because everything that we know about it, weve seen in movies and things of that line. But when its really coming at them, are these guys the best youve ever seen . Is it is it an incredible Assembly Line . Does it seem is the dark humor flying . Whats the atmosphere like . Well, i think theres a lot of nervous humor to get yourself through that. And you know, they see the worst things that you can imagine out there. I think thats what struck me the most was i mean theres just really horrible all the horrible things that happen on a battlefield that some soldiers, some journalists have the lecture, if you call it that, of looking th