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So it is cool for you to be here tonight. Im going to introduce the panel. Darrell adams, a former superintendent, we will hear more about the wifi on wheels program. Evangelist,gle marie, and a michael krol, president of Arizona State university, familiar to several of you tonight. They have ramped up a lot on Online Education and Digital Education in general. We have a cool topic. Dismantlel education the class system . We have 45 minutes. Should be a piece of cake. I put that topic out on twitter and asked, what would you ask . I thought i might crowd sourced a few questions. The first answer i got back, what are you smoking . [laughter] the second person said, ask about decades of research and improve learning. It takes a needed time, money, and resources. We need toought write it down. In a phrase or two, when we talk about this notion of Digital Education in this context about the american class system, what are we talking about . What does it mean to you as we talk about this . For me, it means a Digital Education must break down the class system, especially in america. Born and raised in memphis, tennessee, and living through the civil rights movement, our access to information and knowledge at that time prevented people like me for getting ahead. But now, with the tools available, power and knowledge is there available for everyone. As we continue to move forward and as we have done throughout the nation, students are going to have the opportunity to use these tools to access information like never before. That is power and opportunity. Education . Digital right, technology does not improve learning. Teaching improves lauren, great cation improves a morning improves a learning, great education improves learning. I think how teachers use them is what will get us to a point that will start making sense of what we talk about when we talk about Digital Learning. It is just learning. Murray . Marie . Its important if we talk about k12 and Higher Education. At my institution, we have a 5000 adult students studying dominantly online and is all education is simply putting the tools of education into technology. That is not enough. Access is important, but not enough. Support has to happen. This, we will get into the higher ed system itself actually creates more of a class system. If you know of someone who has gone to harvard, you come out with a very different set of expectations about your life and probably came from different expectations that the student that comes out of my institution. I promise you, we will get to that very soon. In this room has been technologically enhanced. Glasses, shoes, my have taken vitamins, you are eating advanced, unbelievable food. We are all technologically advanced. All teaching has been technologically advanced the different ways in time. The two people that said that it, im not sure they understood the question. When i mean is that, it is literally the case that technology is nothing but an enhancement of the individual human. It is nothing but a way in which a teacher can be enhanced, a learner can be enhanced, a dictionary in a book is technology that was far superior before the book then when you had definition to the language you are asked to master. Nowcaps out all we have Going Forward are tools we can manufacture to enhance the individual teacher for the individual learner or the community of learners or teachers. They are in eight. They are in eight. Nate. Can Digital Education dismantle the class system . Can education even dismantle the class system . I think each one of us lifesents someone whos a was enhanced by education and i am certain people in the audience, as well. As a nation, i think we have to be honest and say higher satisfyingprobably the class system as opposed to enhancing it. , wheree talk about this Digital Education can do something traditional education as it . There are a thousand variables related to education since 1900, and you would find education is the single most predicted variable for social class change in the United States. That is a powerful driver. So powerful, we are dissatisfied with the present outcome. So powerful, education is such a powerful driver, that we are unsatisfied with the fact we do not have everyone benefiting from it. We have never had a system and if it everyone. We have always had a system that benefited a few and then more and more. You think it is working that way . We certainly have a very satisfied system right now. Lower income students in our country go to School Systems that dont prepare them that well. If they are lucky, they go to Community Colleges and lower prestige institutions. The opportunity is there. I get this question all the time. Is education broken . Its hard to answer that question because im firstgeneration america, raised on food stamps and welfare. Any new yorkers in the house . I grew up in the old Health Kitchen in the 60s 1960s and 1970s, not a great place to grow up. I want to college at asu and i get to do what i do because of education. What need to consider the impact on students goes on for generations. My kids are impacted by this. My daughter graduated from college. She never thought she wasnt going to go to college. She assumed she went she would go to college because i went to college and her mother went college. She assumed i would pay for it [laughter] that is a good problem to have. That is the real impact. The opportunity now, as it impacted everyone . Can we do more . Are there more people that can have this opportunity . We need to do a better job with that. But the opportunity has been real for a long time. Aboutthere something digitizing using Digital Technology for education that changes education . Are we talking about Something Different in 2017 then we were in 2000 even . Does it have a power now that it didnt before . At think it does because now we can personalize education. Individualized education. I drink of the date where we can have an app that can reach biorhythms and tell you what you need to learn and how you need to learn somethings. Something. You see these schools springing up around the bay area with a have cameras and all the classrooms and kits that can design their own program. Some Public Schools are able to design programs as early as six or seven great. Sixth orp them find seventh grade. If we help them find that passion, we need to nurture that. They are ready for this, but we have to bring the leadership on board and make sure parents are involved in the process, as well. Can i get a distinction between actual learning i can going back to the actual question, which i thought was brought and how do you dismantle an entire class system . There is a learning that goes on in institutions and then there is the signaling function. I know that many of our students in my institution are getting really good quality education. There are still employers that will question it. We dont necessarily how do they know it is an Online Education . We are in the University System of maryland so there is that signal. But it is a Public Institution so it must be good. Asu, it must be good. If you come from in institution that does a good job but is not a public brand, the signal is not there. If you look at who once the country, look at who is on the supreme court. Look at who is elected, except for our president right now, we wont go into that, though he is the smartest guy that has ever been elected. As people then leave and that creates even more of our ostracized class system. Are things on the mentally different in 2017 . I think unequivocally. We have found ways to create intelligent tutor devices that will allow an individual to tirelessly be assisted in their own individual learning process in addition to their teacher, not in lieu of their teacher. There is a constant juxtaposition of, somehow this will be disruptive to the core way human beings learn, which is eyeball to eyeball with each other, with their friends, and solving problems and either alone or with others. We do not need to know what we need to know in 2000 or 1950 or 1900 and the rate of acceleration or change and bring capacity is very substantial and it has got to find ways in which learning can be enhanced for every human accelerated, brought it, deepened, and personalized, and made as human contact as possible. With all these other things there to assist you. Enhancing that process and getting to the point we can say there is maybe a chance the full learning capacity of the human brain might be able to be visible to us and might be able to be operationalized across everyone as opposed to, those learners are slow learners or those people, they cant have access to this. They have operated in a way they classifyverything, everything. It is time to dynamite those things out of existence. You mentioned employers and what they are looking for and what makes one bible versus another. This next generation of students coming into the college system, in terms of generation z. 70 of them are not want to work for you at all. They want to do their own thing. Because of technology, did laptops and have server space, they can run anything. This idea of employers controlling who gets to say what skills are needed is going away. Im excited about that. All the Digital Natives are coming to the schools now and have high expectations. Is that really true, though . Are all these students that digitally savvy . This is the first generation that does not know what the world look like before google and it didnt google. They did not know what the world look like before technology was in it. Still look we are trying to get the name of the species alter. Everyone born before 2000 is a homo sapiens. Everyone born after is a homo sapiens dot net. Are pockets with access to everything. We have no idea where this is going. You could if you had been a self disciplined person. You could educate yourself at the moment. Educateould, you could yourself with a lot of things earlier. For some reason, we didnt. Some people did. With still develop schools and colleges and systems. Frederick douglass educated himself in an unbelievable way. He taught himself to read and he is a far better writer and speaker than anyone i have ever met. If he had access to a broader selftaught learning environment, who knows what that make a genius what have been able to do . I was born and raised in memphis. Statednt go to Memphis University until 1972. We do not have that opportunity to learn in that environment. Technology, i of can do my own thing, google it, research it. Wecant forget the fact that need to have a connection as human beings. That is why the visual and performing arts, we are going to be in high demand because when the robots take over and the Machine Learning gets going, what are we supposed to do . We have to remember there is a balance that has to happen here, as. There has to be a balance is what im saying. Whether the about economy and the Digital Technologies would create a different kind of test system. People would be connected in different ways. I wish we were talking about two different things. I think there are advances in technology and learning science. We know how people learn now and higher edbetter does better. I do think we will be able to hit a point soon where more people will be able to learn in far better ways than ever before. It is justink Digital Education that will bend the class system. Upendand the clasps cl ias can connect with anyone on the internets sy. Stem. The power of small is now quite big. We can form networks. There are ways that power can shift pretty quickly. That i believe is what will dismantle the class system. And how some of you have been reading about this new look that came out where he talks about the american class system. He thinks the american class system is more solid than the British Class system. You mean more rigid . More rigid, sorry. We dont like to talk about it in the United States. They have a queen in england or something . [laughter] it would be hard to have a class system less rigid when there is one hereditary leader. Look at what is going on. [laughter] edit that out, please. He does talk about the top 20 as being the dream winners. Right now, this all sounds great. Hoarder. This guy must be angry at things. When you look at society today, he says Silicon Valley has this Notion Technology is open and anybody can walk in and you dont have to go to college anymore. You can play on the internet. Its not exactly how it works. Being a billionaire is hard not that i would know. [laughter] you work for some. I have a couple friends. It is not just about being around technology. All of us were born around where there were 18 with her tracks. That does not mean we can all drive and 18 with her truck. Truck. Heeler when i needed information or needed to write stuff, i had to go to the Columbus Library that was closed on the weekends, closed at 5 00. When i looked for a book, it wasnt there. The limited Resources Available helps predetermine what information i had access to. That is no longer too. No longer true. That can happen anywhere in the world now. Anywhere with a good internet connectivity. Four kids can build anything they want. There is power in that. Michael, you and i have known each other a long time. You were talking about the future of Higher Education and you were worried about the future where rich kids get taught by professors and poor kids get taught by computers. Im still worried about that. We are talking about the enhancement of the teacher and professor. What i was concerned about their work, some investors out there investing in forprofit companies and other entities with a thought there was no need for the knowledge creator, the professor. There is no need for the master teacher. There is always a need for the master teacher. The machines around them are the enhancement. What was going at the time, it seemed people said, rich kids and ultrasmart kids can talk to humans and everyone else can talk to machines. There is nothing we are doing that involves that master teachers are our core faculty. If we talk about the skills kids really need, everyone would agree collaboration, problemsolving, legal thinking, a teacher has to look at a classroom and say, what team can i put together . Whose strengths are what and how can i help them build off each other . Like having a great manager in room as opposed to being a knowledge space. The role of the teacher becomes more important in this space. I agree with that. When you and i were chatting, you also mentioned the notion i have been thinking about a lot. We hear about how Digital Education is changing. What about the students who do not want to go to to a fouryear degree . Talking the president about apprenticeship in the country. There is discussion about more people going for certificates partrograms that are not of a fouryear program. We have not seen much innovation and Digital Education in those areas, heavily . Have we . We dont have an apprenticeship program, which isnt digital necessarily. Thinking of applying the Digital Technologies to that sector. We got carried away with the whole fouryear degree. Like Everyone Needs a fouryear degree. Bettereeds to be opportunities for jobs in that bluecollar, workingclass kind of group, which i came from a workingclass record. It is