Transcripts For CSPAN INSA Intelligence Conference Principal

CSPAN INSA Intelligence Conference Principal Deputy DNI September 10, 2017

It is great to see you again and congratulations on your new position. Thank you. It has been a little more than aonth . It has. Confirmed on the fourth of august. Yes, a little more than a month, but you have been in the Intelligence Community for a few more years than a month . So, let as jump right into this. How would you characterize the state of t community . What is working well, and what do we need to improve on . Gordon before i answer, let me offer the apologies for the director, he really wanted to be here, unfortunately, maybe as sign of the times in terms of how the administration views intelligence, he had a meeting that he had to go to. The principals meeting was set today, but i wanted to be here, which is why it was set today. I have about 30 years of free slick tradraft, so [laughter] gordon here is what i would tell you about the community. I am old and i have seen a lot. We have never been better. The capabilities that we bring stunning as any of that i have seen and i have seen a lot. The level of iegration is that we have seen around the community is the best i have cyber scene. The best that i have ever seen. Exciting things is the inclusion of the fbi and the growth that they have made ourn intelligence partner adversaries have figured out that coming to the United States makes it challenging and this partnership has allowed us to do great things. We are awfully good that we are not good enough. Intelligence is the business of advantage, that is fundamentally what we do. For all of the work that we are doing, boy, it is tough to stay ahead. I think what ware doing well, is each organization is advancing its capabilities in a very tough environment. I think about the challenges inhe nsa faces in a operating in a digital environment that is increasingly transparent. The adversaries who might see you and people who have learned from what we do, to be able to understand that. I think about the cia, operating in a world where you must be who you are, because of what has happened in terms of what they know. And theabout the nga challenges of harnessing commercial revolution that has the potential to provide answers that you can only imagine in the past, and yet you still have to figure out how to do it. I can go on and on. I think that one of the challenges is the continued growth and each of our disciplines that make up the whole. We are not fast enough. We are not. The overhead that we impose on ourselves is great. Matters,d where speed not casualness, but effective speed. When we have business processes that do not keep up, barriers to effective sharing, we put ourselves in a disadvantage,n a world where information and speed and analysis is at the premium. Had ang those lines, we panel earlier this morning, about acquisition reform. We actually just heard the directors of the agencies talk a little bit about that. Fact, m kevininers was a part of the panel and he coined i believe kevin coined this cost realism technically credible, as opposed to say, lpta. What can be done from the dnis perspective in terms of streamlining the acquisition procs . Dep. Direcotr gordon three think, what are we trying to accomplish . I know that we like to be on the machinations that we have but there are mechanisms that we can articulate clearly. One of the things the dni can do is be clear about where we must go in order to achieve the future. The second thing is an environment where new capabilities can be added more quickly. The imperatives of having a place where we can insert capabilities quickly, securely, and bring into submission is something that the dni can do. Again, it is about proving the foundation for collective efforts which i think we can do. And the third inning, is to really work on the issue of risk the third thing is to really work on the issue of risk. It feels like we acquire things ashough they will last forever, so we better make sure we have it right. In my estimation, we have to be right enough. Quickly,e moving so that if software and Hardware Solutions change in six months to a year, it takes a few years to get something together,e simply have to be more thoughtful about the risks that we are introducing. This is something that the dni can do to help levelset what we are willing to accept, the processes that we, by and large, set the standards for. Ok, three very specific things. You will not talk about isi ht, fair we can. You talked about something that is the focus of your predecessors, is that still part of the dni, your vision, continng integration we should all go our way alone [laughter] dep. Direcotr gordon do not tweet that lighten up it was a joke we can be this way let us talk about the dni has but difficulte to achieve responsibility. We have to make sure that the best of the Intelligence Community is brought to bear at not onent of decision, voice, one perspective, but the best that we each have to offer, that is that fundamentals of integration. We do it for a purpose, it is measurable. That is the role that the dni has specifically. The second responsibility is to make sure we create an environment where each of our crafts can expand as they need to, in other words, clear the way. In view of the policies and processes that govern what do, to make sure that we establish a new way to work. So i see no diminution of integration. Stillhink that where we grow, as we are viewing integration sometimes as additive, taking all of our capabilities, earning them all together to create a some of what we have and i think the next step is to learn to create together, do sething new that each one would not do alone. I still think that there is growth and how we think about integration. That is our imperative from the dni. Just surveyed the community, one of the questions is what the dni does well and what it doesnt. To wheree got as close we are going to get on a mandate , to exert leadership in the notion of bringing things together for a new purpose. So we will push on a that 30 hard we will push on the that, pretty hard. That is great, getting feedback. You just touched on this, i had a couple of people ask, if you could talk about i think there is an internal odni efficiencies review, and the future of the community review. Could you talk about those . I think iftr gordon we all went into our separate rooms and talked about it, we would all come to the same conclusion, that the fundamental premise we have always had of as is my paraphrase knowing the truth, seeing beyond the horizon and allowing policymakers to act before event dictat is pretty constant. I think onof the interesting things is we have changed we have moved from a world of data scarcity to data abandons. Data abandons. Data abundance. We have so much Information Tha we need to make sense of it. Going forward, how do you take advantage of the data now available and do Something Special with it, something a lile more sooner to be known. As looking at what the community can do to work on the advantages it has always had. To enablely exist that, so you havto have that vision to be able to say, wh is the dni going t do . Effectivenessni study, i will say effectiveness over efficiency, we have gotten into trouble trying to say that we can do things cheaper. One of the ways were looking at ourselves is looking at one of the functions we can perform. Not the offices we currently have, but the functions we must perform. If you look at my earlier statement, i would say that there are probably for big functions, some of which we do well and some of which we are not doing so well. Ether it is in Artificial Intelligence or in liber, we have or in ciber, capacity and capabilities. It is not a role that we have usually played but you can see that there is some benefit and i will choose what we are all doing in terms of making use of the data that exists, whether it auto augmentation, all of us in the Intelligence Community, are all spending money. Are we getting there one of the functions is to help the leadership to make sure that when we do it, we we are going in a direction of outcome. The second thing is adding context. That is what we do with our National Intelligence managers and the job of integration is to context, taking what is out therend producing. Negatively, ig, would say positively reduce friction. We cld accelerate the community, if you would like to be positive about it, but we have to get rid of the overhead. I am so worried about what we impose an ourselves. We need to go with the who are sitting here before you. Dep. Direcotr gordon that is a function that we have, whether it is new business processes or the number of things that we do, the way that we task, all of those things are crushing us in terms of delivering the capabilities. The other thing is we need to build some new urges, to partners outsi of the Intelligence Community. Whether that is build some new bridges. Whether that is in t private sector, other nongovernmental as addions, even the dod, we can do more. We would use that to really align what we do, align our resources and able constantly change, as the community changes. We ought to measure our accomplishment, provided the room for the agencies to be really successful. And it gives you a priority . Dep. Direcotr gordon it does. Let us follow on that, the building of more capacity and capability. This audience, you said building bridges, you have industry, academia here, other government institutions awell as dod. You know, let us characterize, how are they doing in supporting you . How are you doing in partnering with them . You tore can and ought be doing . Dep. Direcotr gordon a lot of questions. I will choose two areas that i think are really important to answer your question. Aiill take a da piece on and automation and augmentation. The u. S. Ok at how much government is spending on that, we spend a fair amount. It is nothing compared to what is being spent on the private sector on the exact same thing. How are we going to use the money that we have taken influence the ney that is being spent. We note two things, one, if we let the private sector go in that area, they will advance at they will not necessarily advance on their own in ways that solve our problems. Our problems a that we are simply going to be unable to make use of all of these all of the Information That exists and can help us provide more advantage, if we continue to do so manually. There, of the money is we have some money and we have to leverage it because we have needs that may or may not he met may or may not be met. On the government side, i think we are too disparate in our approaches, whether it is where we spend the money or how many times we talk to the same partneabout the same thi, not ever having that turned into a purposeful conversation. I think that dod and the nic need to have more conversations about this, we are part of the sa continuum and they are just as interested in cloud and all of these technologies. I think we may have to come up with some sort of interlock er, whether we use se of the mechanisms of the past such as tel, some way to be able to have conversations which we may or not may not be able to because of privacy issues. Cyber isother one another one. Do we need to get our act together on this issue . Show of hands . The interesting thing is that this issue is nongovernmental. It is private sector. What we have is the ability to know things somewhat in advance of attacks, but we cannot see them in the same way. In aill we Work Together trusted way to be able to share what we both know, in order to better protect each other . It is a different kind of partnership, that we need, but it does require each side trust andway to respect trust each other a bit to come to a joint solution and respect the value oposition of both sides. Those are the two things i think we have to do. I think that one of the things we neeto do, i know you did not ask for it i put this on the dni, i think we need to engage in conversation with the American People. This whole security and privacy as too often set up as a oppositional thing either or . Yes, i say to people that are on the same side. People on government were to uphold the constitution of the United States which is pricated on the notion of individual rights and privacy. This is one where we will have to reframe our conversation because if we spoke about what we do, whether it is pfizer at 702, which i know that you talked about earlier, to this kind of partnership, i think that there is much more Common Ground than we presume. Fisaher it is five the there is much more Common Ground than we presume. Is it a priority for the dni . Between now and the end of the year, i do not think there is another party other than to get it continued. It is simply a capability that we know that has great effect. We are confident that we have the guidelines, procedures in thee in order to protect rights and privileges of the american populace. We have to do this. We have to do it. I think we have to describe it, not only in the ways that we effect it, the way that we govern it, but also talk more candidly about what it is and what it is not. Ofhink, in the aftermath snowden, people think this is groups of thehuge American Population at risk of being sucked up into a great abyss where people can go off but it is not the case at all. As the preous panel said, it is a very simple program. It allows you to track and nonus persons who are credibly believed to be outside the United States for the purpose of foreign it isnt a large number of targets. What i would say, if youre not talking to one of the people, you are not in existence. In this world. We need to talk more openly as if the American People knew, they would support it as strongly as we did because of the benefits it provides. Admiral rodgers has been trying to tell that story. You adding your voice to that conversation i think is good to be heard from two members of congress this morning who felt it should be reauthorized. Of 535. Nly two out b its also important we be able to talk about it. Thats why this forum is so imrtant. We learned our lesson when we did not have a voice. We have to have a voice and tell our story. We apprecia you being here. We have questions from the audience. I will integrate them in with questions i have artie staed with. Here is one on site i have already started with. Here is one on cyber. What role should they play on cyber since it blurs the line between offense and defense and military action. Should the Intelligence Community be conducting offensive cyber reactns. . That such a great question. The Intelligence Committee is disproportionately in the business of collecting foreign intelligence. In this world,ost of the information exists in the gital domain and you have to be able to get it in it doe get it. It doesnt translate into places where you need to go to get it. The purpose is to do the historic purpose of the Intelligence Committee, you know a little bit more and go where the data resides. Authories, those are pretty clearly delineated by law. It is blurred because the domain is blurry. It intersects it other. But the authorities to conduct certain actions are given to , authorities. Those are pretty clear and we kn how to navigate those. Ose who think it is of the rate domain, but at governs the activities are pretty clear d distinct. In just about every panel i today,t in yesterday and the issue of security clearance reform has come up. What . Im sure youre not surprised i have uttered those words. There have been suggestion a lot of complaining. The dni is a security executive agency. What everyone out there wants to know, inquiring minds, what e you doing to fixhis and how long is it going to take . Ok. [laughter] she said i could ask her anhing. I did. Abouteally fun to talk the National Security threats we face and the capabilities we have in order to do that. I dont think there is more important for us to address that i will call secrecy and security. We need a trusted and reliable workforce. But the workforce is one that is, one, will not be static. Not people like me in the community for 37 years. We want them to be able to move in and out. I want to attract the best talent. I dont want to lose them in the 15 months it takes them to get through. To be able to cap the expertise and the private sector to fill the gaps in our knowledge or the time cap between when i can hire staff and now when the system is not designed to support that kind of mobility with the security that we want and the protections we needo have. Will not succeed if we dont take this on. I can think of no higher priority. What makes me concerned is, how many times have we tried this . How many times have we looked at this . We will lead the effort to address this, both in terms of the vetting process and the other side, which is just security in general. I can apply at that to the Information Systems. Systems arecurities not designed to allow us to quickly understand the risks of putting new capabilities in. I cannot tell you how long it will take. I know the Energy Around it at the moment and i do believe i think this is an exciting time for us because and it youav gatntest inhedmistratn,he giation,n ugeinon tht. Alstonisngif we squander this me everyone is aligned to say we must do something because each one of us is protectin how we have done things more than what then youe able to do, will have a deputy pretty quickly. Moreh i could promise you and a time frame and specifics are not exactly how we do it. This is a partnership we have to affect and it is a subject of my next con about how we move in. This is one of lacing our shoes tighter and taking we can put more people in. We have to reimagine how to get this done. Therere folks in this room who have ideas, technologies, and are willing to help here. And thea plug for insa work we have done with our security clearance. Looking at the faces in the room. There are concrete recommendations out there. You have good pilots underway also. You talk Information System and the whole Continuous Monitoring peace and of course continus evaluation. Let us know when we can lp. I will. The one thing we have to do as a community is this whole notion of a risk. Zero loss is the wa

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