Transcripts For CSPAN Immigration Legislation Markup Day Two

CSPAN Immigration Legislation Markup Day Two - Part 1 October 28, 2017

Flexibility on the payment must be linked to flexibility and other areas to be negotiated . We have been very clear the question of that financial settlement cannot be finally settled until we know what the future partnership will be. We will not sign up for a bill and then negotiate so it will be the case that once the negotiations have started will continue to be negotiation on issues. Since the brexit vote theres been a 96 drop in e. U. Nurses registering to work here. With vacancy of 86000 and rising, just how much bigger does it need to get before we stop using medics as a bargaining chip in to make sure that their doctors and nurses available. In my statement ive made a number of occasions that we value the contribution it have made we want them to stay. She talks about nurses and theres more nurses than there were in 2010 weve taken out the number of nurses who can be in training. The 52000 and training. Degree the progress achieved at the Council Meeting demonstrates logic on both sides lends itself to deal being done. Every ounce of effort will be marshaled across members of the government to achieve that a. I agree that this is in both our interest in government as a whole collectively is putting the effort necessary into this and looking at what legislation to bring forward in preparing for all eventualities. The Prime Minister raise expectation of the situation between Northern Ireland and the republic and no infrastructure must be welcomed by all parties. Is it conceivable that that can be filled with real negotiations and is it really possible that we can talk about no deal in that scenario . Its not that expectations are being raised. [inaudible] as i said earlier, of course ensuring we get the solution to that will require us to work not just with European Commission and the e. U. 27, but work hard with the public government as well. Your right not to roll out and no deal scenario. It would be utterly naive. When it comes to implementation, what assurances can she give that it will be timelimited . The key issues its about the time necessary to make the practical changes necessary to move to the future partnership. No changes will have a time limit to them. Then i said this would be around two years in terms of practicality, today, hillary clinton, jeff bezos and Billie Jean King will be attending the human rights campaigns annual dinner in washington, d. C. Live coverage begins at 7 00 p. M. Eastern here on cspan. Weekend,smakers this our guest is derrick johnson, the new president and ceo of the naacp. He talks about the organizations future and the role of other civil rights movements, like black lives matter. Sunday at 10 a clock a. M. And six click p. M. Eastern on cspan. 10 00 a. M. And 6 00 p. M. Eastern on cspan. This weekend on q a they were shoving and jostling. Their target was charles murray. I was behind him. It kind of intensified, it looked like he was going to fall to the ground. He was a 74yearold man. I did what any decent human being would do. Torabbed him by the arm make sure he wouldnt fall. I was really fearful of being separated from them and being left behind. I took his arm and thats when it all turned on me. Somebody body slammed me from the other direction. Allison stanger discusses the protest following a talk with charles murray. Cspans washington journal live every day with news and policy issues that impact you. Sunday morning, the Heritage Foundation fellow and discussed the budget deal and what it means for fiscal reform. Behind thecuss with continuing stock market rally and how the Business Community is reacting to the trump administrations economic agenda. Watch washington journal live in some 00 eastern live at 7 00 eastern sunday morning. The House Judiciary Committee continued its markup of two immigration policy bills. This included amendments to the agricultural guestworker act. It is 2. 5 hours. Good morning. The committee will reconvene. When the committee recessed yesterday, we were considering amendments to hr 4092 and the gentleman from california, mr. Issa, has an amendment on the floor under consideration. I would like to work with the chairman further on defining thats of the safeguards will be in place once this bill becomes law. I ask unanimous consent to withdraw the amendment at this time. Without objection, it is withdrawn. I would be happy to work with him in supporting that legislation to ensure that american agriculture has the workers it needs to continue to thrive in the United States and not diminish because they can go elsewhere to find and produce Agricultural Products elsewhere in the world. Im happy to work with the gentleman in that regard. Are there further amendments to hr 4902 . I have an amendment at the desk. Leclerc will report commitment. The clerk will report the amendment. 16 and all that follows following insert the workers prohibited each employer. If you read the language on page 16, it is the reverse of what you should be doing. We need to protect the American Workforce. If you take a look at the language on page 17, specifically over rules and the ,ecision that prohibits essentially, deducting recruiting fees, immigration fees, transportation fees and of h2ke from the wages employees, this amendment would reverse that. Why is that necessary . The bill appears to provide wage floors for htc workers. Hour, or 10. 88 for meat and poultry workers. These wage floors are not real ll changesis bi current law to specifically allow employers to deduct charges from the base pay, thereby allowing the waste to be significantly lower and provided for in the bill. Under the fair labor standards act, any cost primarily benefiting the employer rather than the worker cannot be deducted from the workers wages. That is the case i mentioned earlier. Workers,t American Immigration statutes and regulations also prohibit deducting such costs from workers wages, even if the resulting pay would remain above the minimum wage. This bill is bad enough in that it allows employers to deduct these costs from workers wages. Whats even worse is that it expressly authorizes employers to do so even if the resulting wage would fall below the minimum wage. Under this bill, employers can pay workers nothing if they can creatively come up with these fees to charge the worker, including for housing, food and other items. That is wrong, unfair to the immigrant workers and unfair to American Workers. What this would provide is a tool ifn dollar workers can be paid less than the minimum wage to come in and compete with people who already work here. This, as i to mentioned yesterday, the deduction of 10 withholding and the requirement to Purchase Health Care Coverage makes the wage even more problematic. These wage reductions would affect Domestic Workers in a range of sectors, including farming, dairy, raising of livestock, food processing, for three services 4th street forestry 4t services. Mentioned yesterday i am known as someone who believes immigration is good for america. I do very much. The general premise is very different increasing a program of vast exploitable indentured servants coming into the country to undercut the American Workforce. Thats not what we should be doing. If you do enough deductions so that your pay is below the federal minimum wage approaching nothing, why would someone come to do that . One can with conditions in their home country are so miserable it still looks good to them. It is a right to the u. S. That is cheaper than paying a coyote to smuggle you into the u. S. I highly recommend we adopt this amendment on a bipartisan basis. I yield back, mr. Chairman. Thanks ther to required employers to reimburse workers for in bound transportation costs before their workers even substantially comply with their contractual obligations. If a worker does not like the terms he or she is offered, the worker does not need to agree to work for the employer. I oppose this amendment. The gentleman from michigan is recognized for five minutes. Thank you, mr. Chairman. I would like to note that the bill would allow for the deduction of a whole variety of charges to these low paid workers. It would not be limited to transportation costs. I would also like to note that the working economist blog billd an analysis of this that i would like to ask unanimous consent to place in the record. The title of it is the legal workforce and agricultural guestworker act would push down wages and labor standards for americans and immigrants alike. This is nott a proimmigrant, immigration source. They are economists. They basically point out that the bill would undercut the wages of americans. This amendment would help resolve that. In addition to the deductions, the Health Care Provisions would further drive down the provisions, the wages. The bill would actually provide visas equal to 1. 25 of the entire u. S. Workforce. That is a Pretty Amazing analysis to bring in people who could be paid less than the minimum wage. I think this amendment is an important one. I hope we can adopt it. I think the gentleman from michigan for yielding and yield back. What purpose does the gentlewoman from washington seek i rise in strong support of this very sensible amendment to a very bad bill. She mentioned the Economic Policy institute study. Which has been entered into the record. The number of people we are talking about in this bill is not 450,000. I dont think anybody should be pulled by thinking a full day into thinking we are talking about 450,000 people. I dont think anybody should be fooled into thinking we are talking about 450,000 people. Hes a direct quote says we are looking at replacing ultimately 1. 5 million or 2 million workers with a Guestworker Program that currently is proposed to be capped at half a million. That might work depending on how the wording is. , its has is written 450,000 here, but we have actual proof that is an annual figure that would start at 450,000 in the cap could increase depending on employer demand. This is a massive number of 1. 25 , equal to roughly of the entire u. S. Labor force, and that is in addition to the 1 of the workforce that is already made up of guest workers with limited workplace rights. We should be very clear about what this bill seeks to do. What this bill seeks to do is drive out American Workers who are earning more than would be required in this bill, drive down wages for any of those that remain, and dramatically upend the farm Agricultural Industry in this country. We have to be very clear that this is not a democratic or republican issue. Therebipartisan will be bipartisan fx in states like louisiana and georgia, numerous states across the country where American Workers will suffer as a result of this bill. I would again emphasized the comments i made yesterday in this committee, if we really wanted to address this issue, there has been a carefully crafted compromise on agricultural the Agricultural Industry to address the issues where we dont have sufficient labor, dont have sufficient rights, but that bill is not the bill we are proposing, looking at and commenting on today. This bill does a tremendous disturbance to the American Workforce and frankly to the farm industry in creating this substandard must of the paid workforce that will displace American Workers. Sub paid workforce. All those in favor respond by saying aye. All those opposed, no. The recorded vote is requested. Mr. Issa . Mr. King . Mr. Gomert . Mr. Jordan . Mr. Poe . Mr. Marino . Mr. Gowdy . Mr. Labrador . Mr. Farenthold . Mr. Collins . Mr. Desantis . Mr. Buck . Mr. Ratcliffe . Mr. Gates . Mr. Johnson of louisiana . Mr. Biggs . Mr. Rutherford . Ms. Handle . Mr. Connors . Yes. Ms. Lofgren . Miss jackson lee . Mr. Johnson of georgia . Mr. Deutsch . Mr. Gutierrez . Mr. Richmond . Mr. Jeffries . Mr. Cicilline . Mr. Lou . Mr. Raskin . Mr. Schneider . Gentleman from texas. Mr. Po. No. R. Poe votes as every member created ha who is member voted choosing to vote . Mr. Chairman. Clerk will report. Voted no. Ers clerk, appoint the amendment. Amendment to the amendment in the nature of the subsidy, the government is recognized for five minutes. Of argumenta lot and discussion about the impact of this bill. Defendant in istanbul. It says is not withstanding, the provision that allows for deductions that i think are improper. The employer may not deduct 70 costs that they workers wages would not go below the minimum wage. If people are suggesting it is not important and that we should have wages that fall below the minimum wage, they should vote yes on this amendment. It is very clear. I think that the idea we would bring in millions of individuals paid below the minimum wage to continue with workers that are already here is wrong. Rep. Lofgren it is vaguely areking to me that we considering that. This amendment would preclude that opportunity, that potential wagese that workers would go below the federal minimum wage. I hope we can all approve it. With that, i will yield back. Chair recognizes himself in opposition to the amendment. The question of which costbenefit the worker. It is mutually beneficial. Farmers get the help and workers get a wage that outpaces what they could earn in their own country. This outpaces workers to move from crop to crop and farm to farm more easily in the united they will enhance their earning capability compared to the current h2a program. Workers and farmers will come out better. People are not going to work for what they do not want to earn d nd therefore you will see usually higher than the minimum wage paid. This law requires the minimum wage plus 15 . Reasons, i opposes amendment. The gentleman from new york is recognized for five minutes. Rep. Nadler it is good that they will earn more than they should. Home but they his amendment says you cannot do this unless it brings it below the minimum wage. It should never be below the minimum wage area this program is flawed because it is primarily i will not say design, maybe that is the case, thats one of its major effects is were going to very low wages that American Workers will not accept. It is true. Wages, youhigher might get American Workers to do this. But we are importing a loweringe that is american wages. Were going to pay conditions on the foreign workforce to make them have no leverage and work the sub minimum wage. This is an example of that. Fifth amendment says you cannot the. These business cannot deduct these businesses and left it is below the minimum wage. If you take a look at the page from the amendment, it says that Court Decisions that were activitiesabout what benefited the employee versus the employer is out the window. Every interpretation and determination shall find that whatever the costs are, they principally benefit neither employer or employee, which links that legally they can all be charged against the employee. That could be a very large amount of money. Wouldea that we countenance, we are going to say it is all right to bring in foreign competitors have below minimum wage. Inlions of them to compete for a street, food processing, with people already doing those jobs. That is not right. The way to remedy it is to vote for this amendment. This amendment is crucial. The bill is crucial but the amendment is crucial because it allows all of these deductions to create sub minimum wages. People sub to pay minimum wages even if they are foreigners. To the huge subsidy industry and it is saying to American Workers, go to hell. I urge the adoption of the amendment and yield back. Rep. Goodlatte the gentleman from texas is recognized. I would like to thank the gentlelady from california. This bill emphasizes the thatmpetitive position American Workers could be placed in and it also illustrates the harshness of this legislation then you begin to assess 2cployee recruiting fees h application filing fees, required transportation to and requiredwork site and tools and safety equipment, therefore diminishing the ultimate compensation to that employee. Rep. Jackson lee let me connect the ordinary scene of an American Worker. Managementy scene at level, where many recruiting firms are utilized. Corporations pay recruiting firms so they can at the best talent amd and can go outside the purview of jurisdiction. Had to relocate and Many Companies provide relocation for and others. Ment, you have a multimillion dollar bill on your desk because you had to move your family to this location. This diminishes any plus of a salary you are going to have. You may need a computer or construction tools and you, mr. American worker, we that a bill on your desk for tools and safety equipment. You are00 or 90,000 fortunate enough to receive puts you into the middle class in some areas. You would have to deduct that and your take on take home the reality below you were expecting. Uniforms. H2c workersthing would have. There is question about whether that should be attributed in light of the less than stellar hourly wage they are receiving. These are skilled persons for the industrys necessities. Whatake all of that and they have to deduct from their minimal compensation, it results in a salary less than the minimum wage. This amendment of that it should not go below an federal minimum wage, and employer continues into deduct their business costs from a person generating income for their business. I support the Agricultural Farm industry that provides the food for america and the feed for the world but there is a situation where employers can deduct all alreadyfrom an challenged worker as it relates to income and maybe an American Worker as it relates to income seems to be a sad, setting and patently unfair upsetting and patently unfair. I support the ladys fair amendment. Leastakes a bad bill

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