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Glad to see folks at the local level. I might have had senator in front of my name. I had mayor sewed into my underwear. It is all done at the local level. Today, we are launching a Bipartisan Initiative to make sure all candidates running in 2020 have a vision for americas role in the world and fully support our diplomatic tools of Global Leadership. I am honored to cochair this with three distinct americans who dedicated themselves not only to Public Service, but to the need for americas continued leadership in the world. Joining me as cochairs that you saw our former secretary of state Madeleine Albright and two former majority leaders, republican bill frist and senator tom daschle. We want to hear from all four of our cochairs and leaders from around the country. Here dan here is the thing. Candidates do not want to here from us. They want to hear from you. Norm was a great mayor and i spent time in Public Service as well. There are many aspiring Public Servants in the audience. They want to hear from business leaders, military veterans, civic officials, and community activists. They have to know this is important to you that you care about it. Need from you. At candidates visit your cities, states, and towns, tell us why you support elevating americas civilian tools of development and diplomacy in our foreignpolicy toolkit. The man they articulate a clear and compelling vision for why it is important for the u. S. To be a leader on the world stage. Show them that in the midst of the daily partisanship which can often seem insurmountable, there is one area where republicans and democrats have historically gotten along together, and can equally get behind in the future. And with that, we thank you for your continued support in this effort, as a turn it back over to norm. Norm thank you. [applause] as the 2020 campaign is well underway, we have with us political luminaries who are nationally recognized not only for their service in god, but their continued analysis and commentary on political and current events, regularly providing perspectives to an audience of millions. We look forward to hearing from them about the dynamics driving the 2020 president ial election, what factors could determine the primary and general election, and the role of Foreign Policy in the campaign conversation. My pleasure to introduce governor granholm, a leading voice in the Democratic Party. Just granholm served two terms as governor of michigan, the first woman to be elected state executive. She let the state through unprecedented economic challenge and change, working to diversify the states economy, resulting in two years of leading the nation and job market conditions, and lead more than 10 trade missions around the world, resulting in nearly 2 billion in new investment in michigan. She is also a member of the Advisory Committee and currently appears regularly on cnn as a senior political commentator and contributor. Is ad, our other panelist friend i had a pleasure to serve with, and a remarkable man, one of the most visible and noted agers in the republican party. Was ar Rick Santorum candidate for president in the 2012 and 2016 cycles. He served the commonwealth of pennsylvania as United States center senator, rising to serve as the chair of recent Republican Congress conference, the thirdranking republican in the senate, in his final term. A leader tech is focus on Global Health challenges, he helped pass the Millennium Challenge Corporation and cap far pepfar. He frequently appears as a senior political commentator on cnn. This conversation will be moderated by a pulitzer prizewinning journalist who served as a contributor for msnbc and is a member of the Washington Post editorial board. Please join me in welcoming governor jennifer granholm, senator Rick Santorum, and jonathan capon to the stage. [applause] jonathan thank you very much, senator coleman. Minnesota is my second home state, so it is great to see you again. Born and raised in new jersey. Went to college in minnesota. It just for the introduction of the governor and senator, so we are going to die right now. Dive right in now. There are three standing microphones. After 30 minutes of discussion, i am going to throw it open to a question and answer period. I will tell you right now, please keep your questions short. Make sure they are questions and no speeches. If there are no speeches, i will hate to be rude, but i will have to cut you off, and i will be rude doing that. Having said that, it is great to be here. Thank you both very much for being here. To talk about 2020, because that is what everybody is talking about. There are 9 million Democratic Candidates running for president. I would like you each to take a look back at the 2018 midterm elections. That, orhat learn from what takeaways you got from the midterm elections that are in forming the coming president ial race of 2020. Governor . Jennifer here is what i would say about that. 2018 was great, obviously, for team d. It was a great year. After 2016, many of us were looking to see what exactly was the secret sauce in 2018, and what did not happen in 2016. There is this debate, as you know, jonathan, because that it this is happening all the time on msnbc and cnn should democrats focus on getting out the base, or on persuading . I, among several others, think we ought to do both. It is based in what happened in 2018. There were lots of people, for example, in michigan, who voted for me and who voted for donald trump, and then who voted also for gretchen witmer, the current governor, who is a democrat. Clearly, democrats have to get out the base, as we did in 2018. Was thehat 2018 turnout highest it had been since 1914. So clearly that has to happen. But because democrats are concentrated, as many of you know, in geographic areas that are not conducive to a president ial election often, we have also got to focus on reclaiming many of those who are or whorsuadable flipped from kroger to a democrat in 2018. To me, that has to be a focus. In states like senator santorums and mine, which unlike the south are more homogenous therefore, you have to look at who the new voters were in 2018. The new voters, by 20 points, voted for democrats, the voters who aged in in 2018. Great. I am pretty sure it is majority minority voters on the democratic side. Because we are from more homogenous, whiter states, you have to have a strategy that ,ncludes getting out your race and focusing on persuading those you can. Even though i know that democrats are not going to win, isority white rural vote, it a question of margins. Try to focus on that i think is going to be an important strategy for democrats, and a place of learning. Lesson theymocrats have learned from the 2018 antitrumpismat energizes their base, so they are continuing to focus on donald trump, and doing everything they can to hold him accountable. That is an energizing force. Democrats hate trump. Democrats appear hate trump and are doing everything they can to try to impeach him, investigate him, whatever the case may be, but to keep the focus on trump. Of course, trump does a lot to help them in that regard, and continuing to be jennifer good admission. Rick look, i think in part he does it because he actually likes the attention. Even if it is bad, he still the fact we are talking about him, i think he likes that, even though it may be negative. They are still talking about him. There is a little method to that madness. Narcissist, and he does like people talking about him. But one of the things that nobody is talking about is all of the things the Trump Administration has accomplished t normally would he just just pull your hair out on fire on the left that he is doing. Nobody is talking about it and he is getting away with it. There is a lot of policy. You are going to go back after these jonathan are you referring to jennifer i was like, is this the tax reform . Rick no, just on friday i was at an event at the white house rose garden, where he announced a policy on health care, on the Health Reimbursement accounts. I mean, it is a transformative policy. I have not seen one news article on it. Nobody is talking about it. It will open to millions more people the ability or lawyers to get money to buy individual market insurance, Small Businesses that have no way of helping their employees. They will have the ability to do so. There are things the of ministration is doing. To get to the republicans, they have done there is so much he has done by regulation. They have a great lineup. President s, who do these things and have sixmonth rollout plans, and everything, trump is ready, shoot, and. Aim. Things. The way he does they are cranking out so much policy that the left and everyone is ignoring because they are focused on going after him. Jennifer he seems to be ignoring you too, in terms of communications. Rick no, he does not talk about it. It is markable. But the campaign will. I think the president maybe he is right. Maybe he is wrong on this. The president is relying on his campaign to get this message out. Ladies and gentlemen, here is what we have done, as opposed to what he is doing. He does not like to talk about policy. Jennifer the president is not even talking about what allegedly he is proud of. The campaign is pumping all this money into stuff people have never heard of. Rick but they will have a track record of a compliment, and people that would be impacted by these a compliments. I am just saying dont underestimate the power of what he has done. The democrats are focused on trump and they are focused on how far left we can go. Jennifer oh, stop it. Focusthere is plenty to on. As somebody who ran in a republican primary, it was how far right we could go. I get that. There is only so far right you can go. On the left, they have redefined how for left you can go. Jonathan senator, reclaiming my time. Different chamber. Ok, this is your panel, not mine, so i will leave aside the far left saying here. To my mind jennifer you cant, can your. Jonathan supporting background checks, a womans right to choose, a 15 an hour minimum wage rick 20 of their income, universal everything they listen to Elizabeth Warren. How much money is there to spend on everybody . It is incredible. Jonathan wait, wait, wait. Rick every day, they are out with a new one. Free college. Jonathan i am trying to pull the horses back in the barn. But i do want to rick talk to the democrats. Dont talk to me. I am just repeating what they are saying. Jonathan well, stop. [applause] i do want to talk about before we move into Foreign Policy, the other big thing people are talking about, to your point, senator it is a big debate within the Democratic Party in particular. That is whether the house of representatives should start an impeachment inquiry now. There are people who say dont plays into theit president s hands. There are other people who say do it because the constitution is being violated on an hourly basis by the president of the United States. Governor,perspective, should the democrats start the impeachment proceeding . And keep your answer under a minute. Both of you. Jennifer i completely follow Nancy Pelosis lead. I do substitute my judgment for somebody who is so knowledgeable, both about what her caucus will tolerate and what their constituents will tolerate. If she says not now, i believe not now. Then i want to come back, because you said under a minute, but i have got Something Else to say. I completely follow Nancy Pelosis lead. Jennifer i think we should clip that, right there. That is awesome. Jonathan can i get that clip . I could write a column using that clip. It wont be a deep fake either. Rick the sarcasm clearly was missed. I do. I would say she is right. No, she is right. They should not be impeaching the president. It is ridiculous for them to do it. However, it doesnt really matter, because they are spending all their time and energy on going after him. You can call it investigation, impeachment it is same thing. They have got themselves consumed with donald trump. Jennifer some have. Rick that is not a winning issue for them. Jonathan senator, you are an attorney, right . Rick yes, used to be. Jonathan former attorney. As an attorney and as the former senator and federal issue, is it right for the president of the United States to tell people who have been lawfully subpoenaed by a can Russian Committee to not testify . And is that not a legitimate reason for some members in the Democratic Party, in the house of representatives, to demand as a result of that that they are in and and peach meant an impeachment inquiry should be started . Rick within the white house, the president has every right to tell evil they should not testify. Congress has a legitimate right of oversight jennifer and if for barack obama did that when you were in congress, right . Rick see . Jennifer i apologize. Rick that is a first, by the way. Jonathan you know, they do this all the time on cnn. They have every right to call people in the departments, because they have oversight over that. But they dont have the right to go into the white house and demand testimony from the white house, anymore than the white house can demand someone that works in a Congressional Office can come in, and subpoenaed them to get information from them. You have the right within your privateonnel to have conversations that are not shared and have no oversight with the congress. The constitution lines up that way. The answer is the president has every right to tell don mcgahn he should not testify. Jonathan governor, real quick . Jennifer i dont think the president has the right to cut from undert congresss separate Constitutional Authority to get a check andand be balance. I understand the privilege question when it is your lawyer, but when it is other members, like william barr, that is a different thing, because he is not the president s lawyer. Let me just say this. Rick has one point correct, which is i do think that focusing so much on this question of impeachment has taken away the focus that i think a lot of this true care about, like for example on what is happening on the southern border. I would like to see hearings every day about what is happening there, and how it can be remedied, including with more using as an example the plan you are aware of, an example of investing in countries that would prevent more people from coming to the southern border. Y yall are going to congress tomorrow. I think what is being done in our name as a nation is so horrifying not just kids in cages, but lockers, and. Reezers, and dog pound the media cannot even get in there to see it. If we dont have the ability for hearings on this to bring forth that information and to get some assessment and preventing that i would like to see congress with a real focus on that, because i think that every not every american, but the majority of americans are deeply offended by what is being done in our name there. [applause] athan talk about trade trade and the tariffs. To the senators folk point, the president and his administration are doing things that are not been talked about. Minnesota is my sort of second home state. But my husband is from north dakota. The soybean farmers, when we went last summer, were feeling the pinch because the prices of soybeans had dropped from 10 a bushel to eight dollars a bushel, and they were worried 26, and a loting of the firms would be wiped out. The pressure is still there. I am went to throw this out to both of you, whoever wants to jump at it first. What is the real world impact of these tariffs on real people across the state, a lot of farmers . The chinese are being very targeted and how they are responding to the president s tariffs and they are hitting a lot of people. Is there anything the people of the United States can do to stop all this . Rick i think these tariffs the tariffs we impose i dont think are going to have a huge impact. The tariffs that are imposed on us, the retaliatory tariffs, those are the ones that are going to have impact, because they are targeted at a particular group of people, whereas the tariffs we are imposing, they get soaked up in different ways, and people have choices as to what products they can buy, by and large. They can pick and choose where they spend their money, and make alternative selections as a result of that. The tariffs that are imposed on our farmers, for example, are going to have a direct impact. No question about that. Those are the things that i know the administration is most concerned about. You hear the president say tariffs arent going to matter, when he is talking about our tariffs. But he cant say that when he talks about the tariffs being imposed on select industries in our country. Jennifer but you cant have one without the other. You are going to have retaliatory who is going to sit by and allow the u. S. To do that without retaliating . That. I understand my point is that unlike the argument being made that this will cost americans billions of dollars it will not cost the average person that much. It will cost selected persons a lot. They buy especially if at walmart. Thingsut you can buy from vietnam as opposed to china. This has been debunked and will not be significant. The president has posted doing something to respond to the people selectively ship. For example, the farmers, with some sort of bailout to help the farmers. Situations they got themselves into because of him. I am someoneough who is on this council and very much support and internationalist point of view, i did not vote for nafta when i represented the steel district in pittsburgh in 1994. I have some real concerns about what the chinese are doing. One of the things i give this president a lot of credit for like sarah to with three other president s, and they did not have the courage to stand up and take on china. Player inbeen a bad the Bipartisan Initiative<\/a> to make sure all candidates running in 2020 have a vision for americas role in the world and fully support our diplomatic tools of Global Leadership<\/a>. I am honored to cochair this with three distinct americans who dedicated themselves not only to Public Service<\/a>, but to the need for americas continued leadership in the world. Joining me as cochairs that you saw our former secretary of state Madeleine Albright<\/a> and two former majority leaders, republican bill frist and senator tom daschle. We want to hear from all four of our cochairs and leaders from around the country. Here dan here is the thing. Candidates do not want to here from us. They want to hear from you. Norm was a great mayor and i spent time in Public Service<\/a> as well. There are many aspiring Public Servants<\/a> in the audience. They want to hear from business leaders, military veterans, civic officials, and community activists. They have to know this is important to you that you care about it. Need from you. At candidates visit your cities, states, and towns, tell us why you support elevating americas civilian tools of development and diplomacy in our foreignpolicy toolkit. The man they articulate a clear and compelling vision for why it is important for the u. S. To be a leader on the world stage. Show them that in the midst of the daily partisanship which can often seem insurmountable, there is one area where republicans and democrats have historically gotten along together, and can equally get behind in the future. And with that, we thank you for your continued support in this effort, as a turn it back over to norm. Norm thank you. [applause] as the 2020 campaign is well underway, we have with us political luminaries who are nationally recognized not only for their service in god, but their continued analysis and commentary on political and current events, regularly providing perspectives to an audience of millions. We look forward to hearing from them about the dynamics driving the 2020 president ial election, what factors could determine the primary and general election, and the role of Foreign Policy<\/a> in the campaign conversation. My pleasure to introduce governor granholm, a leading voice in the Democratic Party<\/a>. Just granholm served two terms as governor of michigan, the first woman to be elected state executive. She let the state through unprecedented economic challenge and change, working to diversify the states economy, resulting in two years of leading the nation and job market conditions, and lead more than 10 trade missions around the world, resulting in nearly 2 billion in new investment in michigan. She is also a member of the Advisory Committee<\/a> and currently appears regularly on cnn as a senior political commentator and contributor. Is ad, our other panelist friend i had a pleasure to serve with, and a remarkable man, one of the most visible and noted agers in the republican party. Was ar Rick Santorum<\/a> candidate for president in the 2012 and 2016 cycles. He served the commonwealth of pennsylvania as United States<\/a> center senator, rising to serve as the chair of recent Republican Congress<\/a> conference, the thirdranking republican in the senate, in his final term. A leader tech is focus on Global Health<\/a> challenges, he helped pass the Millennium Challenge Corporation<\/a> and cap far pepfar. He frequently appears as a senior political commentator on cnn. This conversation will be moderated by a pulitzer prizewinning journalist who served as a contributor for msnbc and is a member of the Washington Post<\/a> editorial board. Please join me in welcoming governor jennifer granholm, senator Rick Santorum<\/a>, and jonathan capon to the stage. [applause] jonathan thank you very much, senator coleman. Minnesota is my second home state, so it is great to see you again. Born and raised in new jersey. Went to college in minnesota. It just for the introduction of the governor and senator, so we are going to die right now. Dive right in now. There are three standing microphones. After 30 minutes of discussion, i am going to throw it open to a question and answer period. I will tell you right now, please keep your questions short. Make sure they are questions and no speeches. If there are no speeches, i will hate to be rude, but i will have to cut you off, and i will be rude doing that. Having said that, it is great to be here. Thank you both very much for being here. To talk about 2020, because that is what everybody is talking about. There are 9 million Democratic Candidates<\/a> running for president. I would like you each to take a look back at the 2018 midterm elections. That, orhat learn from what takeaways you got from the midterm elections that are in forming the coming president ial race of 2020. Governor . Jennifer here is what i would say about that. 2018 was great, obviously, for team d. It was a great year. After 2016, many of us were looking to see what exactly was the secret sauce in 2018, and what did not happen in 2016. There is this debate, as you know, jonathan, because that it this is happening all the time on msnbc and cnn should democrats focus on getting out the base, or on persuading . I, among several others, think we ought to do both. It is based in what happened in 2018. There were lots of people, for example, in michigan, who voted for me and who voted for donald trump, and then who voted also for gretchen witmer, the current governor, who is a democrat. Clearly, democrats have to get out the base, as we did in 2018. Was thehat 2018 turnout highest it had been since 1914. So clearly that has to happen. But because democrats are concentrated, as many of you know, in geographic areas that are not conducive to a president ial election often, we have also got to focus on reclaiming many of those who are or whorsuadable flipped from kroger to a democrat in 2018. To me, that has to be a focus. In states like senator santorums and mine, which unlike the south are more homogenous therefore, you have to look at who the new voters were in 2018. The new voters, by 20 points, voted for democrats, the voters who aged in in 2018. Great. I am pretty sure it is majority minority voters on the democratic side. Because we are from more homogenous, whiter states, you have to have a strategy that ,ncludes getting out your race and focusing on persuading those you can. Even though i know that democrats are not going to win, isority white rural vote, it a question of margins. Try to focus on that i think is going to be an important strategy for democrats, and a place of learning. Lesson theymocrats have learned from the 2018 antitrumpismat energizes their base, so they are continuing to focus on donald trump, and doing everything they can to hold him accountable. That is an energizing force. Democrats hate trump. Democrats appear hate trump and are doing everything they can to try to impeach him, investigate him, whatever the case may be, but to keep the focus on trump. Of course, trump does a lot to help them in that regard, and continuing to be jennifer good admission. Rick look, i think in part he does it because he actually likes the attention. Even if it is bad, he still the fact we are talking about him, i think he likes that, even though it may be negative. They are still talking about him. There is a little method to that madness. Narcissist, and he does like people talking about him. But one of the things that nobody is talking about is all of the things the Trump Administration<\/a> has accomplished t normally would he just just pull your hair out on fire on the left that he is doing. Nobody is talking about it and he is getting away with it. There is a lot of policy. You are going to go back after these jonathan are you referring to jennifer i was like, is this the tax reform . Rick no, just on friday i was at an event at the white house rose garden, where he announced a policy on health care, on the Health Reimbursement<\/a> accounts. I mean, it is a transformative policy. I have not seen one news article on it. Nobody is talking about it. It will open to millions more people the ability or lawyers to get money to buy individual market insurance, Small Businesses<\/a> that have no way of helping their employees. They will have the ability to do so. There are things the of ministration is doing. To get to the republicans, they have done there is so much he has done by regulation. They have a great lineup. President s, who do these things and have sixmonth rollout plans, and everything, trump is ready, shoot, and. Aim. Things. The way he does they are cranking out so much policy that the left and everyone is ignoring because they are focused on going after him. Jennifer he seems to be ignoring you too, in terms of communications. Rick no, he does not talk about it. It is markable. But the campaign will. I think the president maybe he is right. Maybe he is wrong on this. The president is relying on his campaign to get this message out. Ladies and gentlemen, here is what we have done, as opposed to what he is doing. He does not like to talk about policy. Jennifer the president is not even talking about what allegedly he is proud of. The campaign is pumping all this money into stuff people have never heard of. Rick but they will have a track record of a compliment, and people that would be impacted by these a compliments. I am just saying dont underestimate the power of what he has done. The democrats are focused on trump and they are focused on how far left we can go. Jennifer oh, stop it. Focusthere is plenty to on. As somebody who ran in a republican primary, it was how far right we could go. I get that. There is only so far right you can go. On the left, they have redefined how for left you can go. Jonathan senator, reclaiming my time. Different chamber. Ok, this is your panel, not mine, so i will leave aside the far left saying here. To my mind jennifer you cant, can your. Jonathan supporting background checks, a womans right to choose, a 15 an hour minimum wage rick 20 of their income, universal everything they listen to Elizabeth Warren<\/a>. How much money is there to spend on everybody . It is incredible. Jonathan wait, wait, wait. Rick every day, they are out with a new one. Free college. Jonathan i am trying to pull the horses back in the barn. But i do want to rick talk to the democrats. Dont talk to me. I am just repeating what they are saying. Jonathan well, stop. [applause] i do want to talk about before we move into Foreign Policy<\/a>, the other big thing people are talking about, to your point, senator it is a big debate within the Democratic Party<\/a> in particular. That is whether the house of representatives should start an impeachment inquiry now. There are people who say dont plays into theit president s hands. There are other people who say do it because the constitution is being violated on an hourly basis by the president of the United States<\/a>. Governor,perspective, should the democrats start the impeachment proceeding . And keep your answer under a minute. Both of you. Jennifer i completely follow Nancy Pelosis<\/a> lead. I do substitute my judgment for somebody who is so knowledgeable, both about what her caucus will tolerate and what their constituents will tolerate. If she says not now, i believe not now. Then i want to come back, because you said under a minute, but i have got Something Else<\/a> to say. I completely follow Nancy Pelosis<\/a> lead. Jennifer i think we should clip that, right there. That is awesome. Jonathan can i get that clip . I could write a column using that clip. It wont be a deep fake either. Rick the sarcasm clearly was missed. I do. I would say she is right. No, she is right. They should not be impeaching the president. It is ridiculous for them to do it. However, it doesnt really matter, because they are spending all their time and energy on going after him. You can call it investigation, impeachment it is same thing. They have got themselves consumed with donald trump. Jennifer some have. Rick that is not a winning issue for them. Jonathan senator, you are an attorney, right . Rick yes, used to be. Jonathan former attorney. As an attorney and as the former senator and federal issue, is it right for the president of the United States<\/a> to tell people who have been lawfully subpoenaed by a can Russian Committee<\/a> to not testify . And is that not a legitimate reason for some members in the Democratic Party<\/a>, in the house of representatives, to demand as a result of that that they are in and and peach meant an impeachment inquiry should be started . Rick within the white house, the president has every right to tell evil they should not testify. Congress has a legitimate right of oversight jennifer and if for barack obama did that when you were in congress, right . Rick see . Jennifer i apologize. Rick that is a first, by the way. Jonathan you know, they do this all the time on cnn. They have every right to call people in the departments, because they have oversight over that. But they dont have the right to go into the white house and demand testimony from the white house, anymore than the white house can demand someone that works in a Congressional Office<\/a> can come in, and subpoenaed them to get information from them. You have the right within your privateonnel to have conversations that are not shared and have no oversight with the congress. The constitution lines up that way. The answer is the president has every right to tell don mcgahn he should not testify. Jonathan governor, real quick . Jennifer i dont think the president has the right to cut from undert congresss separate Constitutional Authority<\/a> to get a check andand be balance. I understand the privilege question when it is your lawyer, but when it is other members, like william barr, that is a different thing, because he is not the president s lawyer. Let me just say this. Rick has one point correct, which is i do think that focusing so much on this question of impeachment has taken away the focus that i think a lot of this true care about, like for example on what is happening on the southern border. I would like to see hearings every day about what is happening there, and how it can be remedied, including with more using as an example the plan you are aware of, an example of investing in countries that would prevent more people from coming to the southern border. Y yall are going to congress tomorrow. I think what is being done in our name as a nation is so horrifying not just kids in cages, but lockers, and. Reezers, and dog pound the media cannot even get in there to see it. If we dont have the ability for hearings on this to bring forth that information and to get some assessment and preventing that i would like to see congress with a real focus on that, because i think that every not every american, but the majority of americans are deeply offended by what is being done in our name there. [applause] athan talk about trade trade and the tariffs. To the senators folk point, the president and his administration are doing things that are not been talked about. Minnesota is my sort of second home state. But my husband is from north dakota. The soybean farmers, when we went last summer, were feeling the pinch because the prices of soybeans had dropped from 10 a bushel to eight dollars a bushel, and they were worried 26, and a loting of the firms would be wiped out. The pressure is still there. I am went to throw this out to both of you, whoever wants to jump at it first. What is the real world impact of these tariffs on real people across the state, a lot of farmers . The chinese are being very targeted and how they are responding to the president s tariffs and they are hitting a lot of people. Is there anything the people of the United States<\/a> can do to stop all this . Rick i think these tariffs the tariffs we impose i dont think are going to have a huge impact. The tariffs that are imposed on us, the retaliatory tariffs, those are the ones that are going to have impact, because they are targeted at a particular group of people, whereas the tariffs we are imposing, they get soaked up in different ways, and people have choices as to what products they can buy, by and large. They can pick and choose where they spend their money, and make alternative selections as a result of that. The tariffs that are imposed on our farmers, for example, are going to have a direct impact. No question about that. Those are the things that i know the administration is most concerned about. You hear the president say tariffs arent going to matter, when he is talking about our tariffs. But he cant say that when he talks about the tariffs being imposed on select industries in our country. Jennifer but you cant have one without the other. You are going to have retaliatory who is going to sit by and allow the u. S. To do that without retaliating . That. I understand my point is that unlike the argument being made that this will cost americans billions of dollars it will not cost the average person that much. It will cost selected persons a lot. They buy especially if at walmart. Thingsut you can buy from vietnam as opposed to china. This has been debunked and will not be significant. The president has posted doing something to respond to the people selectively ship. For example, the farmers, with some sort of bailout to help the farmers. Situations they got themselves into because of him. I am someoneough who is on this council and very much support and internationalist point of view, i did not vote for nafta when i represented the steel district in pittsburgh in 1994. I have some real concerns about what the chinese are doing. One of the things i give this president a lot of credit for like sarah to with three other president s, and they did not have the courage to stand up and take on china. Player inbeen a bad the International Trade<\/a> front for a long time. Whether it was a good economy or bad economy if you have a good economy, you dont want to mess around. You cannot afford to confront china. The president , in the face of a good economy a lot of people a lot of people telling him, it is going to affect the income. He did it because the intellectual property issues that china is ripping us off, and causing systematic problems with our competitiveness in the future and this president was willing to stand up and say, i am going to go to the wall on this. That is probably a bad metaphor for the president. [laughter] rick i am going to build a wall on this. I give him credit for doing so. I think ultimately in needed to be done. There are a lot of democrats out there that are privately cheering him for doing it, but wont come up and support him. Jonathan governor, are you one of the democrats cheering the president for doing it . Jennifer i dont cheer the president , but i do think that taking on this issue of trade is a super important one for the industrial midwest. I think that he is right. The president is right to take on china. I think he is right to try to renegotiate nafta. When i was elected i campaigned, sorry to say you all who are supporting these trade agreements i campaigned on nafta has given us the shafta. Districts, if you go to these towns across michigan, across pennsylvania, you still see the empty shells of factories that sit on the corner of main street and green that stand as testament to the loss of jobs under nafta. It has been serious. When china enter the wto, same thing. We have used trade and to level the playing field. As it has been right now, we have been used by trade, and our workers have been used by trade. So this challenge will be a challenge in this 2020 election. Democrats have to be strong. The question is, is tariffs the way to go . Or can we renegotiate trade agreements that actually begin to level the playing . That means, including in the that allow forns the raising of wages and collective bargaining and other countries. It means making sure that you have the Environmental Standards<\/a> in other countries that equal hours. That means enforcing. We need a tiger at the wto, and not a pussycat. If you get a democrat who is talking like that and i think there are a few who are out there, championing it, not being afraid of trade we have the best products, the best workers. We are not afraid. But making sure we have agreements and enforcement that backup that competence is really in horton. Important. Jonathan that is great and rousing, but you are not running for president , are you . Jennifer no, but there are candidates saying this. Jonathan for both of you, the thing is the candidates who are running for president , some of them are having a hard time conveying this message you just laid out. For both of you, what advice would you have for candidates who want to talk to voters broadly about their vision of americas role in the world, but are not sure how to do so in a way that is connected to their everyday life . How would you tell them to convey that message about their foreignpolicy platform to voters . Think voters care about if you look at maslows hierarchy of human needs, the bottom of the pyramid are things related to sustenance. That means a job, and that means security, right . When i say security, i am talking about broadlydefined security. I want to be safe at home. I want to make sure were not sending my kids to wars. I am weary about that. That is how people feel back home. That means diplomacy first will allow my child to be safe from being sent overseas for a war that we do not want to be engaged in. I do think that militarism is not where our party where my party is. Maybe you feel inclined that way too. I think diplomacy first is where my party is. I also think that people want to feel safe from international terrorism. They want to feel safe from domestic terrorism as well. That means i want to be able to go to my church or my synagogue or my mosque, or so much of to a school, and not fear that child is when to be shot of why a crazy person with a gun. I want to make sure that i dont have a president that is provoking a country countries like i dont want to see him calling kim jongun rocket man. I do not want to know how for jongun jonguns ability to sa missile i do not want a president that is going to provoke. On the economic side, the job site, it does have to do with trade. Somebody like Elizabeth Warren<\/a> i know she gets the hackles on the back of your neck up, but she is talking about economic patriotism. Everybody,endorsed anybody, but i was reading her economics, patriots, and policy, which is about being strong at home so you can be strong overseas. She wants a department of Economic Development<\/a> that consolidates u. S. Trade representative, the world bank. Bring it all into one place, and bymote our businesses exporting. Create an office of exports. Make sure you are purchasing from american businesses when you procure that speaks to people. Jonathan you were looking contemplative at the other side of the room. Your reaction to what governor granholm said . Do any of the democrats speak in a way to your mind that you think would win over enough people to walk away from the president , or do you think all the democrats running dont have a message at all . Rick i think trump has really scrambled the international omelette. Candidateifferent a and so different a president when it comes to these issues, it is really making it hard for the democrats to get comfortable. ,istening to jennifers answer not the previous answer where she was passionately talking about being for the worker and things, youll these could have heard that at a trump rally. Now you know why michigan voted for donald trump. The passion she had at these issues is at the core of a lot of voters in michigan and pennsylvania and when trump talked about these issues, he resonated with people because both parties have sort of soft peddled these things. They didnt want to ruffle feathers. There was a consensus among democrats and republicans and on a lot of these issues, whether it was trade or to some degree Foreign Policy<\/a>, trump has upset the apple cart and as a result, democrats are finding it hard. How can i be critical of trump when i agree with a lot of what he was doing but i dont like the way he is doing it yet go againstthe argument him. It is not that they disagree with three negotiating nafta. While trump negotiated it, it is not good enough. It is an improvement but it is not enough. Whopposed to a democrat would renegotiate, of course you would go for it. If it is better but not good enough, that is where i think they lose americans when you say it is better than what we have now, but it is not good enough because trump should have done better and we will keep something that is bad. I dont know how you make that argument. They are trying to but it doesnt resonate. We are for going after china, but i dont like some of the things you are saying. Its just not, it is not an this probleme of with democrats. Even when they agree with trump they cant bring themselves to agree with it. It is hate him so much. That is the problem the democrats will have on Foreign Policy<\/a>. Jennifer it is not on Foreign Policy<\/a>. That is an astute observation on trade. Continuem going to because i think it is true, the president during his campaign was the most isolationist republican in the longest time. Has he acted that way . Very much a mixed bag but there elementsre are still of the trump Foreign Policy<\/a> that sounds very much sandersesque, but they cant even bring themselves to voice their agreement with him. That is why trump is a real problem for the other side. Jennifer can i say rick they cant get a coherent message because they cant ever agree with that. Jennifer i note you are asking questions, jonathan, but doesnt it trouble you the trump has brought the United States<\/a> into the seller of international esteem cellar of international esteem . His favorability in mexico is 6 . Rick did we get a deal . Jennifer he hasnt presented it, no. Rick we did jennifer i dont rick you could argue, i would rather have a president with 6 popularity in another country that gets us better deals than we have today. That is where i am. Particularly in europe, no republican president will be popular no matter what. I dont look at these popularity because it is a different world than american lives in. Is he doing things and accomplishing things that are going to lead to more global stability and more global prosperity . I would say the answer is yes. Jennifer ok. [laughter] rick unorthodox as it may be. Jonathan right. Policy,comes to foreign it is one of those issues where the American People<\/a> just feel like it is separate from them, that it doesnt impact them. As a former member of the senate and as a former governor, for the people out here who are going to be going up to capitol hill tomorrow and knocking on doors and trying to talk to their members and other members, how can they make it clear to the members of congress that Foreign Policy<\/a> isnt important to them just i so strongly believe that the issues related in michigan anyway, and probably in pennsylvania, to trade is very much grounded in peoples experience. Michigan andmp won pennsylvania. There is an opportunity to be able to say we should be taking advantage of this Global Demand<\/a> for example for clean energy focusing on Climate Change<\/a> in a way that allows American Workers<\/a> to build American Products<\/a> here and export them over there. The idea of using this Global Demand<\/a>, even if the u. S. Called out of paris, every other country is still in and that means they will all want these product. Even if this is a temporary aberration, we are letting time pass us by. Awas in china meeting with number of mayors and they were showing the policy prescriptions that china adopted in order to be able to make the products to meet the Global Demand<\/a> for Climate Change<\/a>. One of the mayors says to me, when do you think the u. S. Is going to get in the game on Climate Change<\/a> . I said, i dont know. The president , congress, and the mayor said take your time. Take your time. Delay, believe me, and as you know, they are rushing to fill the gaps. That notion of competition that we are losing out in jobs for our u. S. Citizens because of our delay to me is an Important Message<\/a> to deliver. With theould say exception of the issues on the border, and even that is a little, there might be opportunity, except for the issues on the border and the issues of trade, there are opportunities there, by and large, the issues you will talk to members about are not hot button political issues. How do you get peoples attention on issues that are not center issues . I would turn that around and say this is the greatest advantage you have. You are going up to a hill that is deeply divided on a whole variety of issues that are. Olitically salient issues if you want an opportunity to go something done, get talk about politically unsalient issues. The fact you may have issues it that are not politically imported is the greatest opportunity because believe it or not, there are still being bills being passed in congress and signed by the president. What bills are those . They are bills that are not politically divisive on important issues. They are not politically divisive and important, reasonable people can sit down and reasonably get something done without anybody knowing about it. Encouragement to you is, go up and talk about Climate Change<\/a>, good luck. Good luck. You wont move anybody. But if you want to talk about a situation in, i heard a question on sudan, maybe you will get somewhere. Or you take an area of the world or issue that is not politically relevant that you care about, and that is the opportunity. There are hundreds of them. Iings get done every day, repeat this, get done every day in washington, and when i go up and talk to my colleagues, they are frustrated. They dont think a lot of things get done but they are still working, still passing bills and moving things through. You need to be one of those unassuming issues to the nobody cares about except that it makes a big difference in the world. Go lobby on those. Jonathan with that, it is time for q a. There are standing microphones in the aisles. Is, short questions. I will cut you off. Nohould point out, i have time on the confidence monitor so i dont know how much time we have. I am assuming it is about 20 minutes. I will start here. Thank you for being here. I appreciate your time. I am from allison and South Carolina<\/a>. I serve on the board of the citadel, the Military College<\/a> of South Carolina<\/a>. Senator, i appreciate the blue tie this afternoon. Have 2 citadel graduates. We in this room want the president and president ial candidates to talk about development and diplomacy in a positive way while they are on the campaign trail. How can we encourage that without it being a partisan issue . Rick i caution you on this. Caution, anytime i was at a town meeting running for president in iowa or New Hampshire<\/a> or South Carolina<\/a> and someone would get up and say, we spend too much money on foreign aid, we are spending all our money on foreign aid and we spent less than 1 of the budget on foreign aid, that is not what the public thinks. Job anddo my dutiful say we dont spend that much money and of course all i did was make that person mad at me. , butormed everybody else the people who cared about it walked away and they are not going to vote for me. Youre not going to get candidates to talk about an issue like foreign aid, but here is the beauty has back to the issue i talked about before, you dont want them talking about foreign aid. You want them to do foreign aid. You dont want them to highlight to the American Public<\/a> that we are spending money on foreign aid because if it was up to the American Public<\/a> they wouldnt spend any. Most members of Congress Know<\/a> that would be ridiculous. They quietly do the right thing. To make it a big issue because if you made it a hot button issue you probably wouldnt live. Opposite approach. Dont get members who are running for president to talk about this. You talk about it with members of congress and show them how this is really, truly effective money spent. And it is. Members of congress are smart enough to figure this out. A person stands up and says foreign aid is a horrible thing, say i agree with you, then move onto the next question. Jennifer i am not a member of congress so i dont know what goes on in the bowels of that organization, but i know that there is a case for leadership as well. People to understand what the importance of investing, i get that but if you ask your town hall, what is the percentage you aid . Is spent on foreign they say 20 to 6 and you know it is 1 . That gets us the ability to make sure we are not the target of a, b, c, d, whatever the issue is. I personally think foreign aid to the northern triangle countries is a great example of that because you have data based upon Prior Experience<\/a> on what i think weolombia. Need to educate people, or give members of congress the language and the examples. They only need one example. I dont think members of Congress Want<\/a> to hear the rule of law and whatever you say about International Diplomacy<\/a> language. Highfalutin they want to know what they can say a townhouse to educate people about the importance of us being safe as a result of us doing foreign aid. , i will stickat with come i dont think you want candidates talking about this. I think you need to be talking about this. Go to your rotary club and your organizations. The fact you will not running , you talkingand about it is a positive thing but i have severe trepidations about candidates doing it. Good evening. Thank you for doing the panel. I am from iowa. We will be endorsing on august 12. Click question, the only thing i , the conversations on tv have gotten so combative. Santorum, you always say democrats, youre doing it wrong, this is the right way of doing it. The question is, where do you get the information when you speak so passionately . The accounting is a lot , we have where we see interviewed candidates and we are hosting five more. The questions we have are totally different. We speak about issues and policies like global situations. Asked, then was global deficit, leadership deficit will impact multiple generations whereas a fiscal intoit can be cut administrations. Where do you get the basis for your passionate 85 town Hall Meetings<\/a> in iowa in 2012. ,hen i ran for president i did in 2012 and 2016, over 1000 town Hall Meetings<\/a>, 30 residential debates. I have a good feel for what people were asking. I am in a republican primary. ,o i suspect, in fact i know republican questions are different than democratic questions. They come from different perspectives. I am sharing with you, and maybe i should limit my answer to, you dont want to have republicans speaking on foreign aid. Maybe democrats, maybe that is a good idea. , they aree is more more receptive on the democrat side but from my experience on the republican side, that is not an issue you want to highlight. I dont ever recall and all those town Hall Meetings<\/a> and a positive question on foreign aid or any kind of international program, ever. Jonathan question here. Thank you for being here and sharing your insight. I am with the International Fund<\/a> for Animal Welfare<\/a> based in d. C. But i would say pennsylvania is my second home state, where i went to school. , on climateis change, relatedly, perhaps even more importantly, biodiversity loss. These have become incredibly partisan issues, but historically they were not. They are really access dental, the basis, a healthy quite climate is the basis for life on earth. To a point of bipartisanship on these very , where weissues again were 40 years ago . How do we get back to that bipartisan place . Jennifer you are asking that too oath of you. Jennifer great question. There are all these leaders who were republican who understands understand what conservation is. Without using the words Climate Change<\/a>, i am wondering to her point, is it not persuasive that there is Global Demand<\/a> for a series of products, and we should be making those products here you go how about just on the jobs question . Isnt that a persuasive argument for your team . Any i dont know republican who isnt for conservation and a healthier climate, a healthier country, a cleaner country, a cleaner world. The fundamental issue is, the scare tactics the call for dramatic nonmarket answers to the problem, that really get republicans running for the hills. You are talking to someone who is on the board of a company that is part of the green revolution, trying to turn waste into energy. I am very much committed to leaving the planet in a healthier state than it was when i came in. But we are not committed to Big International<\/a> treaties that force nonmarket solutions that dont work down the throats of the American Public<\/a>. That is the fundamental divide. Matter of denying, it is a matter of what solutions are workable and how do you best accomplish what you accomplish . The fact that emissions are down under the Trump Administration<\/a>, we are continuing improvements and the countries that havent signed on , they are us, china continuing to explode on emissions. Is, the economies that are marketbased are doing a good job with their market incentives to reduce jennifer market incentives are good but what about incentives that help stoke research and development for these products . Again, it depends on whether they are marketbased or not. That is where republicans come down. Jonathan we are down to four minutes. We have a ton of people who want to ask questions and im sorry, you wont be able to ask those questions because i have to try to end on a happy note and jennifer instead of telling them to sit down jonathan im really sorry. These are all folks who will be going up to the hill tomorrow. The final question to you in the four minutes and 10 seconds we have, for them, how should they communicate the bipartisan rationale for americas Global Leadership<\/a> since they are going to the hill tomorrow . What advice would you give them for that . Jennifer you go first because i want to hear what you have to say. If there is an issue we can agree on, what could you and i go to Mitch Mcconnell<\/a> and nancy pelosi in this realm and say, we agree on this . Rick i think just the conceptual framework that the United States<\/a> should be a leader in the world is one that i think both parties agree with. I dont think there is a disagreement that the United States<\/a> has to provide leadership, everything from Economic Issues<\/a> to security issues. Those are, humanitarian issues. I think it is all a matter of how you frame it, and the methodology in which we accomplish those things. But talking about the need for more bipartisanship in dealing with these very important issues , i come back to the point i make but i will make it again, to the extent you can say there are so many issues out there that are not divisive issues, are not politically salient or important issues that we should be able to agree on and actually act. Lets find some Common Ground<\/a> and a beautiful place to start is in the international arena, to build trust and confidence in this system. Jennifer can i follow this, wouldnt you agree there should be increased aid, not cut aid, to the northern triangle countries . Rick absolutely. Jennifer that is in a shoe you might get bipartisan support on, going to congress and saying for the border, we need greater, not lesser investment . Rick i have talked about this a lot. We ignored central and south america to our peril. The problem at the border is a direct result of several administrations not doing a good job fostering Economic Growth<\/a> and stability in central and south america. We are seeing the results. That is something that should be a bipartisan issue. Jonathan governor, the senator gave an impassioned answer of how to communicate bipartisanship. What is your answer . Me, the most because of mye, experience, my soul has been seared by the loss of jobs in america. I was governor during the meltdown of the auto industry. I looked into too many faces of people who had the rug pulled out from under them because of both trade agreements and automation. Are going to march to congress and say we have to stay inside these trade agreements, i would hope we could in a bipartisan way agree on the importance of enforcement of the trade agreements, of beefing up to make sure we support those workers and those companies that are in this country against those who would steal intellectual property, for example, against manipulation of the markets. I think, to me that is something you could get bipartisan agreement on. It is something Rick Santorum<\/a> campaigned on, it is something i campaigned on and i think with the right agreements, the agreements that focus on u. S. First, i think you can get there in terms of a Global Economic<\/a> system. Governor jennifer granholm, governor Rick Santorum<\/a>, thank you very much. [applause] u. S. Glc welcome director jason gross. Jason good afternoon. Im the director. It is my privilege to draw todays summit to a close. Thankoff, lets give a you to governor granholm, jonathan, theym, give us a lot to think about. Ith the upcoming 2020 election after a full day, this audience is among the most informed in washington dc when it comes to subjects of americas Global Leadership<\/a>. We started this morning with a discussion on womens economic empowerment, how the private sector is working in concert with the Public Sector<\/a> to increase the economic potential of women and girls across the globe. We broke for lunch and you chose your own adventure. Among those choices you made, you might have gone to publicprivate partnerships or americas Global Competitiveness<\/a> or faith in humanitarian values or building resilience in the face of a changing climate. Those were impact full discussions at lunchtime. We reconvened for the secretary, on the frontlines of combating Global Health<\/a> crises. Of National Panel<\/a> Security Experts<\/a> who talked about the unique challenges fragile states present and how we will address the unique challenges of hotspots across the globe. Takerow, you are going to all of this sharp and knowledge to capitol hill. Areeetings of absolutely critical. My colleague walked you through how to convey your message effectively. What you bring is that credibility, the connection from back home, to these members home districts and home states that will put our issues on the agenda tomorrow on capitol hill. Will dowhat we tomorrow, and i want to come i am excited about that. I want to get through some final logistics but first, an announcement. We secured next years summit 16, 2020 and we hope you mark that on your calendars and commit to coming back. Even more, i want you to think that tonights reception and as you traverse capitol hill, i want you to think, who needs to join you next year . Who would benefit from the day of education here . Who would be an effective advocate in your meetings . Who is that person you will take the momentum of this years summit and tell them on wednesday when you get home, come join me next year to go stronger . Fforts we want to see you here next year. Aftery just igo matters, i wrap up we are going to the Global Impact<\/a> expo and networking reception in the constitution room. My colleagues will direct you to that. We are blessed to have over 20 Government Agencies<\/a> and organizations showcasing the latest innovations in global development. We arew mornings day 2, back up at 7 30 in the morning for a great breakfast in the same constitution ballroom and we are excited to have three members of congress to help kick off the second day, senator jeff merkley of oregon, senator martha mcsally, congressman ami get, they will join us to ready for capitol hill. Buses will take us all their. If you havent collected your packet, please after this session, right by the registration desk, get those. We are ready for tomorrow. Lets just say tomorrow morning, we are going to go together, united, and show all of capitol make ae local leaders Global Impact<\/a>. Thank you so much for today. Good evening and we will see you upstairs at the reception. [applause] [captions Copyright National<\/a> cable satellite corp. 2019] [captioning performed by the national captioning institute, which is responsible for its caption content and accuracy. Visit ncicap. 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