Transcripts For CSPAN Discussion On Combating Extremism Ter

CSPAN Discussion On Combating Extremism Terrorism July 13, 2024

Intelligence official and a former member of the neonazi group called the National Socialist group. Held by new america, this is an hour and a half. Good afternoon, everyone. We are going to get started. Thank you for coming to america and coming to this session, control, alt, delete, hate. An approach to targeting violent. My name is melissa and i am a senior policy analyst with new Americas International security program. For those of you new to new america, we are a think and action tank to connect research institute, technology labs, Solutions Network and media hub and public forum. We aim to provide evidencebased analysis of some of the toughest security challenges facing american policymakers and the public from homegrown american terrorism to United States drone and the new warfare rotted by new technologies. I would like to introduce jesse morton who will begin with a presentation on the new initiative before we jump into panel. Jesse was once a jihadist who muslim, a new york citybased organization active in the to thousands and connected to a number of terrorism cases. He connected al qaedas ideology and transformed it for america, creating english language propaganda. Morton d radicalized in 2011 following his arrest in casablanca and incarceration in the u. S. Hes now executive director of parallel networks. After his presentation, i will invite the rest of the speakers on stage. We will discuss parallel networks new initiative, the changing threat landscape, the future of terrorism prevention practices and the relationship between far right wing and jihadis him. We will save 30 minutes or so for audience q and a. I will handed over to jesse. Hand it over to jesse. Good afternoon. Thank you for attending todays event. We are honored to be here. I would like to express gratitude to new america for , ating todays program simple approach to control, alt, delete hate is a magazine that will be issued in print and online and we will pass around copies. Its a component of an equal systemic approach to combating extremism since we got started. You can see the cover of the First Edition here that went online this morning. The initiative is more than a mere counter narrative tool. It is part of the innovative and holistic approach to addressing bys threat posed posed enhancing mutually existing extremisms here in the u. S. A little bit on the background. Its important to realize its not just an initiative. For over a year, mitch and i with the assistance of any supporters, with the counter extremism project and their researchers, have been working on a comprehensive program to combat the mounting threat posed by now far right wing extremism. My partnership with mitch was announced publicly on june 4, 2018 with an event here at new america. I documented the nefarious legacy i once built as a jihadi as thendist and mitch director of intelligence at the nypd. Since then, we have learned a deal. After networking, designing programs, we launched the online ecosystem that we will discuss in more detail, in which ctrl alt delhate will be incorporated. The project came about as a result of much effort. Since the inception, we have been putting together a network of former extremists, victims of extremism, activists, victims and others who believe in the model. Thinking about ctrl alt delhate started a year ago during a week of flowrate activity that made it apparent we needed to get moving and fast. That included the tragic tree of life synagogue attacks, that occurred in the midst of the maga bomber scare, and another terrorist who tried to shoot two elderly africanamericans at a supermarket in kentucky. Of course, things have gotten a lot worse since then, but we started at that time to select a team of former and victims of right wing extremism to support our cadre of former extremists. At the core of our network was led the parallel networks for over two decades, myself, and others like brad galloway, also here today and people like hope, and africanamerican whose father was murdered by White Supremacists, and she actually is in contact with the individual who murdered him and provides sort of support and empathy. These have been our interventionists over the past year and at the same time, we have supported and informed one another. Ctrl alt delhate is a byproduct of these yearlong efforts. Its the beginning of our answer , particularly in the right wing space. I would like to talk about our unique approach to this problem. Offer ane formers unrivaled insight, particularly when teemed with an amazing collective of others from different spectrums of activity. Our efforts draw from the transdisciplinary model that we called the parallel network philosophy. It takes a systemic approach to extend activity so that what was typically standalone help lines with no outreach and little failedty and marketing, counter narrative campaigns that cannot reach the targeted audience, because they are not connected to a Broader Network or movement. We thought of a alternative network or movement, one that the insightto rival and scope and worldview that network that ties extremists together. Only then we believe can you map that impact at measure the result of intervention oriented engagement. So ctrl alt delhate will serve as a cornerstone of these efforts. A bit more muggy history and how this more on the history and established. The methodology we will use to disseminate it will be based on a Pilot Initiative we launched in june 2019, six months ago. When i was a jihadist recruiter and propagandist on behalf of al 2011, iom 2003 until collaborated with several jihadis right here in the u. S. To create the first englishlanguage jihadist magazine. I designed and wrote the lead article for the first issue. After my new york citybased organization threatened the writers of south park for portraying the prophet mohammed, we wrote something called inspire that. Eventually over the years, these magazines weaponized up again to an unseen ways. Mitch and i came up with the idea of taking that template back that i once initiated and using it for positive purposes. We designed a counter narrative is called arabic consciousness. We included articles that deconstructed the jihadist ideology including the testimony of formers like myself and offered a positive alternative worldview that we call a dialogue of civilizations model, equally applicable as we receive threats from the farright for the f no state they categorize as western civilization f no state they categorize as western civilization. We have a core hosting hub for ctrl alt delhate. Launch, we got the jihadist sympathizers to believe isis was about to launch a new magazine. Nguage that, coupled with the media rollout that generated publicity, forced extremist recruiters to respond as we invaded their echo chambers. It is essentially the only counter narrative product that has been utilized over encrypted platforms like telegram, where extremists, including the far right, are migrating as a result of efforts by mainstream social Media Companies like facebook, twitter, and youtube to remove extremist content. When we first launched it, the jihadist recruiters were angry. We kept popping up in their closed discussion groups because we had multiple moles in their network. This is a method mitch knows about. That led to private discourse where we were screen shutting conversations. We looked at the entrance of their leadership and inability arguments,to spamming them with evidence against those they hold as leaders. At the same time, the magazine connects to interventions. It is not a standalone counter narrative product. Reading and after then coming to threaten me on twitter, i have established good relations and i am supporting a prominent individual that caused quite a bit of fanfare when he returned back to the west having joined isis, but remains free of criminal charges. Several similar interventions have risen as a result of our embedded in the telegram network. Now, each article in each addition serves as a standalone piece on the website and is utilized for linking to engagement, sharing over social media, and putting into extremist conversation threads online. We also use it for prevention. In 2020, we will print hard copies of both and visit cities around the u. S. , speaking publicly with our core team to raise awareness and promote the Intervention Services. Now that we launched ctrl alt delhate, we can use the same method for domestic extremist collectives and discuss reciprocal radicalization. The magazinehate becomes not a standalone counter product, nor something to insignificant in scope and application to have an impact. I will every on the holistic nature of the project and how it fits into the ecosystem. First in ctrl alt delhate, it is more than just the need name of a magazine. It is something we utilize as a clear paradigm in conducting personal and collective transformations. Based on keystrokes and playing off the popularized altright name, it operates off a unique framework for storytelling and transformation. The first stage, control, is to pause and process when confronted with extremist behavior ideology. As holocaust survivor Victor Frankel once stated, between stimulus and response, there is ace t a space. In that is the chance to respond and in that response lies our growth and our freedom. Our approach is dedicated to this. Control transitions to alt, to alter course, recognize that we need to look not just to the response to extremism, but alternative courses to address what are often legitimate grievances by nonviolent mechanisms. For turns to delete hate, us all to recognize that in such a tumult was period, only all of society can address this threat. When applied, individuals can grasp deradicalization. The message of the magazine has an underlying method to appeal to the individual. Shift hate is the next component. This is where oneonone engagements occur. The authors in the First Edition of the magazine and other support staff have facilitated. Andt stands for support help for individuals and family touched by hate. Under that, we run a 24 7 helpline. We are unrivaled access to online extremist networks. Without any marketing or broadbased support from government or social Media Companies, we have conducted nearly 100 interventions, many with key hubs of extremist movements. For example, jeff and a young female former far right wing propagandist are here with us today and offer a case study of those that have benefited from philosophy. Network we contacted those that disengaged from extremist movements and offered them support as well. We used shift to support provide support for former terrorists returning to street after their incarceration, and we have utilize k3s to conduct research and recommendations on how to address their concerns. Component of the ecosystem is society against violent extremism and hate. If shift offers a deficitbased is theh, safe assetbased approach to build out the network that can into. Orm a movement extremists dont simply offer a message. They offer a coherent rule worldview and counterculture, a community built on axioms. They develop ecochambers where opposition is drowned out by noise and confirmation bias. Extremist recruiters are fluid and can adjust nimbly. We utilize influencers and shape shifters to come formulate the parallel network built on rentables antithetical to hate that come together synergistically to offer a complete alternative to the extremist ecochamber. Echo chamber. This slide the different intersectional components. Our parallel network. Is hosted there. Taken together, the system permits extremist energies to be transitioned in a manner that creates opportunities for individuals and groups to experience the same meaning of significance and sense of belonging extremists offer. Second is research. The understanding today is evidence based initiatives with triple outcomes must precede implementation. We seek to learn by doing and then measure outcomes. Extremism is fluid. Topdownssociated with social science often means the implementation of data driven interventions that are no longer appropriate in a climate that has already shifted. We first start the growth of the parallel network, and we measure engagements effectively once the network coalesces, and can be juxtaposed with contraction or expansion of the extremist network we seek to alter. Theres currently too much competition and not enough our. Boration in the space country of performers, victims of extremism, they all do their own things independently, but their engagement with the activity in the ecosystem allows their individual efforts to magnify. It becomes less about the individual and more about the movement. Think of the way charismatic preachers and propagandists operate under the extremist brand but still become icons, archetypal representatives that embody the mission of their causes and organizations. Ctrl alt delhate will help us build out effective alternatives and positive messaging. That will lead to broader marketing and raising Public Awareness about the shift hate Intervention Services and save hate will expand partnerships and influencers to provide a key means of networking to expand movement. All of these components feed off of and into each other. From a social service perspective, they are designed to approach the issue of violence extremism as a Public Health phenomenon. And to demark each component of the brand so it can fulfill engagement and levels of prevention, harm reduction, intervention, restorative the wholed rehab, social service spectrum. Finally, we have to advance and expand the parallel network. We have only been up and running this publicly light upon light ecosystem for six months. Within each of the essential components. We will build out more research. We have heavily embedded and are in contact with Networks Like antifa, the in cell movement, proud boys, where ctrl alt delhate will be disseminated. We have contacted the hubs of those communities to do so. We will release a report on the project and pursue other initiatives as well. We will look to for more partnerships. We have been networking with peace Building Communities andhave put together an impressive team. That will organize the center for the study of trauma and radicalization. We collaborated with ideas beyond borders to translate the and expandnto arabic and plans into the muslim majority world. We will take back the isis newsletter to utilize the same approach. We are looking to expand into australia, canada, and western europe. We will engage social Media Companies and request their support promoting the helpline and making sure users looking for extremist content are provided access and pathways to the light upon light messaging hub. Light upon light itself will increase its coverage of extremist related activity. We see a communication hub and online portal that can host Grassroots Research and journalism and advanced podcasts, online videos and other media that can arm the public with information and confront polarization with coverage and commentary and offers a worldview that creates a collective nonpolarizing commentary. We have been advocating for a governmental focus that either focuses specifically on the intervention space, a focus that might reduce public criticism of government involvement within, and provide an alternative to sole reliance on investigation and interdiction. This might add a tool to the counterterrorism toolbox. Put together a proposal for next year that would ultimately lead to uniformity and internal recordkeeping, advance and online course that can train and empower key interventionists with information, instruction and skills in uniform standards and communication. We want to replicate essentially the field of Substance Abuse treatment, a field that has resolved with former addicts and training. As for save hate, we will utilize partnerships to increase the number of shape shifters. In 2020, a volatile and contentious year, we will look to present the magazines to 15 u. S. Rent cities in the we will speak and enhance awareness, educate those on the front lines to impart a better understanding of risk indicators, and in turn, expand hate initiative. When something comes up, we will be available to support localized efforts. In conclusion, we are honored to today. As a society, we need to effectively altogether pause in that space between stimulus and response to alter course and recognize that each of us does, in fact, have a role to play and ability to address the consequences of the relation and hate and extremism. As Albert Einstein once put it, no problem has ever been solved at the same level of consciousness it was created. To theserward discussions. Thank you very much for joining us. [applause] now i would like to call our panelists up to the stage. Some quick introductions. Thank you, jesse. Silber, the ceo of parallel networks, an organization he cofounded with jesse. He is also a founding principal at the guardian group, and intelligence and Security Consulting firm. Prior to his work at guardian group, he served as director of intelligence analysis at the nypd or he was a counterterrorism adviser to the Deputy Commissioner and was responsible for building out analytic and cyber units. Next i have brad galloway. He is a research and intervention specialist with the organization for prevention of violence, best in edmonton, alberta. Parallelhe joined with networks and light upon light to work with various networks to counter hate and violent extremism in the u. S. Next to jesse is jeff schoep. 2019, he was one of the most prominent figures of the neonazi movement in the u. S. He was a National Leader commander of the National Socialist movement for over 25 years. It is now his mission to end the violence caused by extremism and radicalization. Today, jeff is an extremist consultant and works with parallel networks as a prevention and intervention specialist. Thank you for being here today. Lets start with a focus of parallel networks before we discuss policy in the u. S. Jesse,ith jeff talk about the existence and similarities of farright, farleft, and jihadist tactics and propaganda and how they feed off each other . For example , the new neonazi social networking platform called the base ties

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