The nation and the executive editor of above the law. Host good morning. Guest good morning. Host tell us about what you do. The trumping about administration is pretty exciting because every day premarch something illegal happens. Host and the above the law website . Guest the court will take a huge gun case they will take a case that really should be moot. That about a new york law restricted how you can travel with guns. New york changed the law after was challenged, but the court is thinking of taking it up really to throw a fastball at any kind of gun regulation. And i say again, people who are concerned about gun reform and are not focused on the Supreme Court are just doing it all wrong because with this conservative court, no Gun Legislation will pass constitutional muster with these five conservatives. Host do you expect the other four to follow suit as far as opposition . Guest i think it will be a straight 54 decision with kavanaugh or alito riding the majority opinion. The politicshave picture new york, the former new york mayor getting into the race. What do you think . Guest i mean, are you serious . Theposter child for unconstitutional harassment of black and brown bodies is asking black and brown democrats to elect him president . Is he out of his mind . That is like the scorpion asking to becoming of the frogs. Interesting, pragmatic centrist policies, but absolutely no support in the black and brown communities for he has not done the work. He has not done the grassroots organizing. He thinks he will buy his way in and he has not answered for one of the most destructive policies toward the africanamerican and Latino American communities. Host and you take that policy in light of everything he has done as american politician as well . Guest he does not have the record of promoting black and brown issues. He does have a great record on philanthropy and gun rights. He has been very strong on guns. Nanny stateome policies which some people like in some people dont. I go back to the organizational aspect. How will you parachute in to the middle of this race having done none of the work these other candidates have an expect thats going to work out for you . This man was defending stop and frisk, not just every day of his 13 years as mayor, even after it was ruled unconstitutional. That was as early as january of this year and now he comes out with an apology oh, i was wrong . If someone can tell is serious about their apology is if they make amends for that position. Billion dollars. He can do something about the lives he destroyed. Instead he is running for president. I think that tells you what you need to know about his commitment to reversing the wrongs of that. Does it say to the rest of the field that he has decided to enter . Guest idol think it says anything about the rest of the field. I think it says something about the democratic donors. Elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, they have the donor class shot. They are frightened. So they are passing around maybe it will be the mayor in south bend who has never held a statewide office . May be a billionaire . May be deval patrick. He is black. Youll like him, wont you . They are passing around to be saved from the progressive wing of the party and its really interesting they thought they had their candidate. Joe budden. A has proved, as usual, to be relatively ineffective campaigner. Joe biden this is a man, who the only time he can get past iowa is when he is on his way to disneyland. That is biden doing his thing. Then theres Kamala Harris, i believe if Kamala Harris was a white male from california all this money and dont a glass people would have gone behind her. She has centrist policies. She appeals to multicultural, multiethnic demographic. She should be getting the centrist money, but shes a black woman and i think they have some issues, this particular group of donor class issues thrown their full weight behind a black woman. I do not understand why kemal is is doing better kamala not doing better with this particular group. Mr. Cancian lets throw people host leicester people into the conversation. The numbers youre watching American History tv. All weekend, every weekend on cspan 3. , 2027488000, 2027488001 facebook,n post on twitter. Our guest, elie mystal of the nation. Also contributing editor executive editor of above the law. What is you make that correlation about people not putting money towards Kamala Harris just because she is black . How do you come to that . Guest i see a completely centrist person with progressive bona fides who, for some reason, is not being supported by the people who claim thats what they want as centrist, pragmatic people, who has experience will be ready on day one. I cannot explain your people throwing their hat into Pete Buttigieg it was an untested mayor of a town that is as big as my suburban Community Just outside of new york city. I have no idea how people are throwing their money and support behind buttigieg and not harris, unless you are talking about race and gender. Like otherwise it does not add up. Host again, calls are lined up. Lets start with florida. Our is shelby on independent line. Your first up. Go ahead. Yes. R thank you for cspan, this thanksgiving week. Ar, i believe you have hit very good point. Theres an intersection, it seems that is going on in our country right now, where we have this almost schizophrenic context that people want someone that looks or perhaps really makes them feel as if somehow they are supporting their point of life view. I agree with you that i cant understand where we are late in the game, having all of these money back candidates and mr. Buttigieg is a nice young man as you stated, but the young man has no experience. They claim that president obama, former president obama, had no experience, but of course, he ,ad been a senator from chicago and south bend with the issues tohas there speaking that. But i want to speak about the context of where we are as a country. We are in an intersecting moment , the farm bureau gentleman that was just him prior, i believe speaks to the heart of this matter because farming, whereas we no longer , and theur crop food gentleman that called in, the last call, the black farmer, the platform or association gentleman who spoke to the issue where we have a group of americans who have been voting against their own interests, and now that impact has come home to roost for all of us. This has to do with education where we have this invested in education. We have not supported the hbc yous which gave us an educated lacked populists and educated talented 10th. Of which i include my myself and my husband and my young people, educated as a shins. Host we got your point, thanks. I think shelby is right. We need a broadbased coalition. The way to defeat trump, if that is what youre going for, every buddies as the democrats are is tooncerned about that, build a broadbased coalition, not just of the democratic raise, which are mainly black women and black and brown citizens, right you go build a Broad Coalition of those people plus suburban people, less farmers who have understood they have been left out of the trump whatever policies. I think what you will have to look for is a candidate who can appeal to all of those constituencies. To me, there are progressive candidates who can do that. There are centrist candidates who can do that. There are conservative candidates who can do that. Having 52 billion dollars does not do any of that. Money will not be what wins this president ial race. Virginia host virginia, robert. Democrats line. Caller thank you. I am a democrat. I have concerns about bloomberg. He did apologize for stop and frisk. I do not know whether that was sincere. But he was also in charge for the Surveillance Program in new still has not apologized about that. Im very interested and concerned about overall law the nation. Across democrats all too often deferred to Law Enforcement on these issues. The best whene is it comes to some medical enforcement reform and is that the case is that the key to getting brown voters . Host cory booker and Julian Castro have been amazing on this issue. If they read through their plans , they are really great, they really get to the heart of changing the way policing happens in this country. Right now, if you are a democrat, the price of admission is we will legalize marijuana unless you are joe biden, still thinking about that. We will end private prisons. Pay up. End cash thats the price of admission. That gets you in the door. I am talking about candidates who are talking about the force parameters for police, talking about reducing the power of prosecutors and police in this nation, looking at people who are looking at reforming the qualified community. When we are looking at people who get under the hood, i am looking at booker, castro, harris although she has other and bernie and war well not is detail oriented, i think as booker or castro, certainly seem to have the overall sense of, like, the massive amount of change needs to happen to address the leasing in this country. The idea theret is a progressive push this time around in their concerns about that progressive push from some democrats . There is. The energy and the focus in the passion of the party is with the base on the left. That is just true, right gecko if you have more centrist and pragmatic policies, it does not mean that you cant be competitive or when this nomination. You have to show how you are you want to say pragmatic, but i dont think thats the right framing you have to show how you will help people like me, progressives with my concerns, who what massive, serious, structural change. The breakdown in this election for the democratic side of the group of people who believe randoms an aberration, a comic into the middle and once we get rid of him we go back to normal versus people who understand trump is a symptom, that trump could not exist without systemic problems that need to be addressed. That once you take trouble way you still have the systemic problems in this trump a way you saw systemic problems in this country. That is what you say you say. People who want systemic change and people who want to go back to normal. Host alabama. You are on, go ahead. Caller hello. He talks about black and brown voters on here, but im doing some figuring out there, the blacks in the browns, they are only 30 of the population, so i dont understand what they think everything they say is going to matter in our election. I dont believe that. And another point is, donald trump will be reelected again. I mean, the democrats have gone so far to the left there is no way possible for them to come back. There is eight people in my family only that never voted before that registered to vote in the 2016 election. People got tired. In therehy obama was to terms. When he got reelected the second time, everybody went and registered and they said, not happening no more. Guest was it because obama was black . No, because of his policies. Hillary clinton wouldve been president if she would have got away from some of obamas policies. Guest like obamacare . Caller i think your first woman president is going to be nikki haley. Guest would you vote for Michael Bloomberg or joe biden . Caller nope. Guest that becomes the point, right you echo there are people in this primary who think they are running, basically arguing they can to ms. Bruce, who registered to vote because obama got elect did, right . That bruce guy is not voting for mike bloomberg. Hes not voting for joe biden. He is going to vote for trump, right . The way to defeat bruce and alabama is not convincing bruce to come back to the fold. It is convincing other people in alabama, particularly black and brown people in alabama, of blackthere are a lot people do tend to live close to where they were formally enslaved. There were a lot of black people in sec country, right . The wafer to the bristles of the world is organizedck voters and registered and we have to look at candidates who will do that as opposed to candidates who will spend dollars and blood and treasure trying to convince bruce. Among the field of democratic candidates, you listed several. He was your favorite . As it stands now . Bumperi have many stickers in my house. I tend to like the progressive policies. I tend to like the people who can build multiracial, multiethnic coalitions. I tend to like competency. To bes generally going hard for me to vote command because i think that one of the things that we have seen over the last few years is it seems womens time to lead. They are activated. They are organized. They are running in so many different fields, they are winning in so many different areas of our country like i am most likely going to vote for one of the women, but which one of the women . That is all up for grabs. Host alabama. Joining us with our guest, elie mystal of the nation. And the website above the law. Go ahead. Caller good morning. You are one of my favorites, elie. I am so glad i got on here. I watch you on george, im dave agoura. I love, love, love you. I want to say this. ,ust like the other alabamian and irom alabama also, would raise you 12, 15, 20 on my family members who registered to vote to get donald trump out of office. He is an abomination. And we have people that are still going along with this man that is a pathological liar. He is doing everything against lawica and on the military of donald trump, you know what yet that we have got to wake up. And im good to speak to my young black people. Do you know these judges that donald trump and Mitch Mcconnell is putting in office right now . That have a lifetime career on the bench . You all best wake up, black people. Everybodys say, oh, joe has got all of the black roads no, he dont. No, he dont. Do not know what is wrong la and klobuchar. Wake up, america. We will be stuck with this pathological liar in the white house. Guest i love gwyn. Point. Kes a good donald trump has already reformed the courts. The Circuit Court judges, one fourth have been appointed by donald trump. These people have lifetime appointments. They are archconservatives, and any policy you think is important climate change, gun reform, womens rights, health care any policy you think is important will be stymied by these judges for the rest of our natural lives if trump is able to get a second term of packing the courts and i have not even talked about the Supreme CourtStephen Breyer is over 80, ginsburg is 86. If trump gets another appointment on the Supreme Court, we are done. What about picking someone because of their policies . Is feelingow there like, there are people who are better at being trump versus people who are more progressive or more i think the best way to beat donald trump is to inspire the base. Those are one in the same. If you want to tell me that their candidates who are more appealing to moderates and that,ndents, i understand but you have to show me that those candidates who were appealing to moderates and independents can get the base motivated to walk through walls like obama had them motivated to walk through walls. People forget. When we talk about, for instance, white males in this country, the democrat has not won the white male vote in america since the 1964 per one happened to 19 624 . The civil rights act. Thats to me carter did not win white men Michael Dukakis did not win white men. Whoever is next time will not win white men. When you understand that, the only way to defeat that is to motivate the base of nonwhite women and men. The only way to do that is to motivate those people to the point where they are in a frenzy and they are willing. They are willing to stand in line and to the stuff it takes to get registered. They are willing to go through everything they have to go through and if you can tell me they are going to do that, we can talk about appealing to moderates. Host from wisconsin, we will hear from liz, republican line. There has been a of discussion about reparations in some of the past debates and i know im a person concerned about the deficit. How would you recommend people do reparations individually so we do not have to add to the federal budget for reparations and maybe bring people of color and others together in understanding . Guest you are concerned about the deficit but you are a republican . Caller mhm. Guest all of trumps tax cuts that have exploded the deficit to unseen levels, you are not worried about that . Caller i am worried about the deficit because as a republican, that has been longstanding for many years. Im not saying trump has honored that partisan republican platform. Host can i ask a question . His reparations something that you would go along with . Caller it is something i did. I was challenged by someone on a train when i was going out to see my son for basic training and we talked about what we were and we talked about reparations and such, and we looked at how well or not well the civil rights laws had influenced what was happening in america in terms of the quality and we came up with the idea of individual reparations and we both decided we would start an act of that. I went and got two dollar bills and got two dollar bills in started approaching people of color and telling them my apologies for any way i consciously or not consciously added to any problems with differences between the classes of people both black and white, and i signed that and handed it over. And it made for a lot of interesting conversations. Guest ok. So, if we are going to do reparations correctly, its going to be a lot more than two dollars and i think one of the ways that reparations are starting to gain steam is that we are starting to really study how to make reparations work. There is a bill in congress that keeps getting past, but mcconnell will not pass and trump will not sign, that is not about the actual cash payment, it is about studying what is the best way to make it happen. Maybe it is a cash payment, although i doubt it. Dont give me two dollars on the street because that would be insulting to me. I won 50. I want 50. Before we talk about the actual cash remissions, we need to talk about it direct payment is the way to do it, Educational Opportunities or whatever. I am happy to live in a world where reparations are taken seriously, they are no longer a joke or a thing that is for anor, i think that is amazing change that i didnt think was going to happen in my lifetime. But i think we still need to be in the study and planning phase to figure out how best to make this not just an apology, but a remittance for lost wages. That