Can you slain what it does . Guest thank you for having me on the program. Dojo, we of coding provide in demandtec training to anyone with no developing background, and train them for three months and get them ready for the economy. So after coming out of the program they will be ready to become a Software Developer, working with Tech Companies in the tech sector. You write a column for Forbes Technology council, you talk about the idea of a skills gap in this country, and how apprenticeship programs might be a way to bridge that gap, can you explain what the skills gap is . We are in the fourth industrial revolution, we are looking at virtual and augmented reality, bioscience, robotics, and different technologies that are happening. And everything underneath this poweringreally in the of the economy. Students coming out of Fouryear College are not getting trained on essential skills. What we are seeing in the private sector is that there are a lot of students coming out of Fouryear College carrying hundred thousand dollars or 200 thousand dollars, some carrying 300,000 of debt and they cannot get jobs. Underemployed, these are smart young people, they are all underemployed, they get stuck, and i think in the Public Sector we have to do a better job connecting our young people within demand man skills to be productive. Remedy for the modern skills gap, for a public so focused on the traditional Fouryear College route, can you explain how apprenticeship programs work, and how you think they can be expanded . If you look at the numbers, we have about 9 of the United States youth going into a trade school. If you look into germany those numbers are 60 . We have this negative connotation to trade schools, but this program, you go into and for some, in college as well, you learn Technical Skills and after you graduate you go in turn for the companies that you based on the skills that you study. It gives you real live experiences on what its like to be on the job. Thatould end up with a job was an apprenticeship for. Thats a great way of marrying what you learned and then getting a job after you graduate. And on the apprenticeship programs in this country, the final column at the bottom, the , 585,000 active apprenticeships in the country in 2018. Do you see that competing with the millions that go to the traditional Fouryear College program . Guest when you do a better job in terms of providing young people with better solutions, the fouryear university has a strong brand. I think our parents want us to go to a fouryear university. I dont think its right for everyone. We have to provide different options for young people. Coming to college, carrying debt and not finding a job, thats not beneficial for anyone. When you look at the jobs numbers, we are at an alltime low for unemployment, the job quality is an alltime low. A lot of young people are working two or three jobs and that is not sustainable. Its a trap. Once you get those two or three jobs, you cannot get out of that environment. You get stuck. We have to provide better training and better options. It should not be the option for everyone. Host we split our phone lines by your own education. We want to hear from viewers who went to Technical Schools, that number is 202 7488000. Those who have done apprenticeships, 202 7488001. College graduates, 202 7488002. All others, that number is 202 7488003. We are talking about the skills gap in the country. People call in, you argue there is a role the federal government comply in inhing the Education System this new direction. What is that role . With the speed of Technology Changing right now, we have a simpler skill economy. That means we incentivize employers to upscale the workforce. Skillate a National Program or we are sending people back to school every 710 years. We are obtaining new skill sets to be valuable in the labor market. Our competitiveness is to go back to school every 710 years to get retrained. I think the government has to great policy that enables that to happen. That is why the federal government is coming in. Think the government jobs are creating economic ability. Right now, we dont see that. Host are there specific ways to do that, especially people who cant go back to school every 710 years. What specifically in the government do . Are we talking about tax breaks . Federal dollars for retraining programs that people can tap into so they can make a living while they are going back to school . Guest exactly. We have pilot programs with family services. Tuition. E free this provided the Wraparound Services and the payment. They got paid while they went through school. Program in the private sector. The government will look into this. How will they provide services while getting trained . The benefits will go back to the government because now they are getting higherpaying jobs. System,mics within the for the president ial candidates talking about the freedom dividend, we can talk about something similar for young people right now. Host how much is that going to cost and where you get the money . Guest i think we spend enough money in terms of the defense buzz it and other things budget. We can allocate some money for education. When people get retrained and go 80,000school, they get more with a better paying job. A positive circle with the economy. It will create a lot of good in how we get our young people back to doing productive highquality work, not just low plane paying jobs. Host a conversation about the skills gap. Viewers a chance to chat with a tech entrepreneur, richard wang in seattle this morning. He is the ceo of coding dojo. We let joe from Staten Island who goes to a Technical School talk. Go ahead. Caller this guy is right. I want to start a computer school. My guidance counselor, all of them said go to college. Thank you. Host thank you for calling in and bringing that up. At one person said to go to Technical School. Everyone said go to college. How do you change that . Problemhere is a relating to trade school and Technical Schools. This is where the government can do a lot of good in terms of providing different options. ,f you look at Public Education the performance metric is how many go to colleges. Those incentives have to be changing. A trade school is a right option, we have to provide more awareness for all of the options out there. Host do you think there is a stigma about a noncollege route . Guest absolutely. That give me an example and how people in your area are looking to change that . Think in the past 45 it is more wellknown in a city like seattle or silicon valley, new york. How do i get to be a Software Developer . Maybe go to a coding camp. I think people here of these concepts. We treating you and train you with different languages for the real world to become a Software Developer. More urban, we have these environments. It is much tougher. In terms of the branding of alternatives to college, the government has to do a better job. Host what kind of program . It was 30 years ago. I was a ago when freshfaced young man, i was the International Brotherhood of electrical workers. Value of thethe journeyman card. The licensing that one along with it. My father explained to me there only three license trades, electrician, plumbers. I decided to become a plumber. I went down and took the how to get into it. I stood in the line and there theya thousand guys and were going to take 25 apprentices. I did that twice and never got called back. How do i do this . I joined the military. I joined the air force as an active duty plumber. After seven years, i applied for the plumbing apprenticeship again in the mid80s. I finally got in. After five years of going through the entire course and making good money along the way, and enjoying everything that i did, i became a journeyman. I decided to become a piping plumber. I spent my time in hospitals doing piping work. Turned 56, i retired. I walked out the door. I make a town of money every month. The apprentice ship didnt cost me a dime. Now local 290 in oregon, weve got 600 apprentices in school. When i went to school, there were 50. The number has increased. I suggest he go through the thening center and go to Steamfitters Training Center in seattle. They will be happy to show you how they do it. Thank you very much. Think thats great. We are seeing increasing over time the number of apprentices. One thing we have to think about is young graduates out of aboute, we have to think getting into Artificial Intelligence economy. People driving trucks right now. The autonomous trucks adaptation. When that happens, we are replacing 3 million truck drivers. Start to take jobs from human beings. We will have 2 Million People the were carpenters. When these think start replacing 5 Million People, how are we going to retrain or reskill them . Thats a big problem that we have to solve. In terms of rescaling the just for thes not audience of people about to go to college. Its also for people 40 years old. When you look at truckers now, the average ages 47. That is a good job without a College Degree. How do we reskill them . Host you talk about those going to college. The average tuition among 2024nal universities, in private national universities, it is 41,000 per year. Out of state is 27,000. Instate, 11,000 per year. Whenre that to 2000 private universities were 16,000, outofstate was 9,600, in state was 3500 per year. I dont think that counts for room and board and food and tuition. Analysis, you are carrying 300,000 debt. Thats a lot of money. That, itou declare stays with you. We have to make a difference in terms of is college the right option for everyone. Host how must is it cost for someone to enroll in the coding dojo program . How long does it take . Isst the program 10,000 12,000. Its about 14 weeks that we train anyone to code. Ininvest three Years Development behind the technology and content. Digest a hard concept into something simple . Anyone can learn this and become a professional. Make how much do people after they go through your program . Guest we operate in 10 different locations around the country. Costofliving in the area, average salary is about 75,000 per year. Host how we people have gone through the program . Guest probably about 6000 people have graduated from our program. Oft richard wang is the ceo coding dojo. We are talking about the future of education through the college route. Good morning. Caller good morning. I. T. Field. Im about to go into the office. That the vastt majority of the people making hiring decisions are not technical people. Thats why they require these fouryear degrees. There are people i know that cannot troubleshoot a wire. I was in the air force before i went to college. They cannot troubleshoot a wire. This is what happens with technical people, i was on a hiring panel and we hired High School Graduate with a lot of experience. The College People didnt know what to do with the network. Unanimous recommendation. Technical, shet wanted to override us. This is the person we need. Continued resistance on our part, she finally hired the guy he turned out to be really good. Thats the problem. , i dont knowoder if you recall a number of years ago, it was still current. An 18yearold out of brazil was heading the entire branch. That six at the time. He was good. You have proved yourself. Maintain it. That is really how it not to be. How do wen to you is change that mindset of these nontechnical hiring people that make the decisions to go for more people like what you are teaching with your Apprentice Program . That doesnt help the developers. Host thank you for the question. I want to give mr. Wang a chance to answer so youre not late to work. Guest it is going to be hard. A biaslly when you have within the management ranks. They are more likely to hire people, that is the human bias. Trend. Starting to see a google and microsoft are going to a movement where we dont need a College Degree to do this. Bill gates is a dropout. Steve jobs did not finish college. Ae pioneers did not have College Degree. We are starting to see a Good Movement within the tech sector. This without a degree. That is ok. I think hopefully that will spread. I think based on the private sector, someone who does computer science, they are people coming out with military degrees or foundational degrees like english. What matters is your problem solving skill set, the way you approach the problem. How you define the creative solution. We are starting to see a good trend in terms of how the industry fills the gap. We dont have enough. We have to be better in terms of educating ourselves about new practices and went to adapt. In terms of software development, 25 Million People around the globe. That is not enough to support the entire global economy. We have to find a better way to retrain people and get them into tech jobs. The average salary is about 75,000 per year. We asked on twitter cant it be outsourced . Guest it can be. Beertain part of coding can outsourced, some stays in house. Years, there is a heavy operational cost. Is somebody else doing work for you in a remote location . In terms of communication, those are the shadow costs they are not seen. Nowtrend they are seen supersedes the movement. They are going back to the we find American Workers are very creative and work really hard. It cuts out all the inefficiencies. You have your worker right here. Host mary went to a Technical School. Good morning. Caller i went to a vocational Technical School 50 years ago in the early 1970s. They are called cte, career and technical education. I studied nursing. The school i went to in west outinia is still turning in the practical nursing field. The traditional college. My downer did reap a lot of benefits when she went to college in the early 1990s. Host what was the biggest benefit . Have a it helped her a wager in her. Particular degree wasnt that great. It wasnt a bonehead. Degreet that she had the from this college sent her to larger economic category. Discrediting not the value of a fouryear degree. Great for your daughter. Stats, 33 ofhe americans have a College Degree or higher. That means 67 do not. The average american is a High School Graduate. Is abegs the question College Degree right for everyone . How do we ensure the majority of americans are going to be successful in the ai economy . We have to have a solution for everyone. Its not just about the economy. Everyone will have a chance to win. Host we have one more chart to show viewers. This is the total loan debt in this country, the blue line is from the early 2000s up through 2018. That is the Student Loan Debt line. Is 1. 46 trillion. That compares to auto loan debt which is the darker line, about 1. 2 trillion dollars. Those charts are from nbc news. Your thoughts on those numbers . I think the numbers speak for themselves. I think it will be interesting to see the return investment. Essentially, its not just about spending money and counting the numbers. Did that can out . Pan out . Are they in high school jobs . Are they in low skilled jobs . Context in the numbers. In reality, those are some of the things we would like to see. Host weve got about 10 minutes left in our program this morning. We will take as many calls as we can, including charles who went through an apprenticeship program. Good morning. Caller good morning. Where thea Program Nationals stadium was. I was able to learn heavy equipment operation. When you look at the construction going on in the you have tocolumbia wonder. I have earned six figures over the last two years without a College Degree. You look at the infrastructure needed, is the government going orstep in and have schools models like massachusetts has. Apprentice robust program. They outperform traditional students. I had peers to want to traditional colleges in between jobs. They are still working on Student Loan Debt. Something needs to be done. Guest absolutely. I think thats great. In that economy now. Many jobs will be taken away by ai. Manynot going to take trade skill jobs. Very unique environment and a very unique skill. Those are going to be good jobs. The supply and demand in the labor market, need to think about how we provide and encourage these alternative solutions. Far, we have not heard from the candidates, whether its Elizabeth WarnerBernie Sanders or some the front runners. The ai economy is here. Will be displaced by this technology. What are we going to do . We have to push the candidates to provide solutions. Host in terms of what this administration has pushed, what is the act . Guest could you repeat that . Host the perkins career and 2018,ion act signed in 1. 2 billion a year for workforce development. That, iy reaction to dont know where the money is being sent or being sourced. As you know, we are facing such a big problem. Im not sure that will be enough. It is not enough for the scale looking to move the needle. I would want to study how the money is being sent into the private sector to encourage more printer ships. Host what was your edu