Said. He said the last thing we need is to militarize the border. I agree. The problem is the cartels get a vote. They have militarize the border. The question is whether or not it will be militarized, but answering but entering records into the Committee Evidence showing they have grenade launchers. They have rocket launchers, they are taking out helicopters. The border is militarized. The question is whether or not our folks, the americans who would protect and preserve our country are going to be put at a disadvantage when protecting us as a consequence of this congress. Hours upon hours my democratic colleagues have said how dare you to the republicans who would inject issues that dont have anything to do with the death of mr. Floyd. Nobody in Border Patrol killed george floyd. Nobody in Border Patrol killed be on a taelor. Breonna taylor. I do know circumstance where they are involved in the type of offenses that the majority is articulating or attempting to solve. So it begs the question if this was about stopping police, local and state police from killing black americans, why have they woven into that legislation to disarm those who protect our border . Here is the reason. Because this isnt about black lives matter to them, this is about abolishing the elements of our society that preserve order. In our hearing with mr. Floyd and others, i show the evidence were Democrat Members of congress, even one democrat member of this committee were sharing content and raising money for an organization that stood not just for the abolition of the police, but the abolition of ice and prisons and the military and Border Patrol and the state itself. This isats really what all about, eroding the state, our borders, just say it. But spare us the lectures about how this is all about george floyd. Nobody in Border Patrol her george floyd. I yield to mr. Buck. I think my friend from florida. Why would they be opposed to this amendment . They would be opposed because they want to see the traffickers of young girls coming across the border. They would be in favor opposed to this because they want to see those who are bringing poisons across our border win. Thats why they would want to be opposed to this. Border patrol isnt enforcing laws in the interior of this country. They arent detaining people with chokeholds in chicago and other areas, they are trying to protect our border and protect our citizens from the dangers that are coming across that border. And the only reason you would want to defeat this amendment is to see some very terrible things happen. Thats my answer to your question. I yield to the gentleman from ohio. I yield back, thank you. General many yields back. The gentlelady from florida is recognized. Thank you mr. Chairman. Coming from a colleague from florida, let me just say how offensive it is to continue to hear the comments coming from my republican colleagues from the they dontbecause talk about the border with canada, they dont talk about ports of entry, we all want law and order but what we want is for those people that are responsible for enforcing the law to also follow the law. Military vehicles, you know what that reminds me of when i see military vehicles . The streets in venezuela. Violence inleeing Central America and latin america. Human trafficking, kids are being trafficked . You are responsible for being complacent detaining almost 3000 kids in my district, separating them from my fair from families of the border. Hypocrisyspare me the of wanting to have security separating families keeping kids detained. We are talking about Police Brutality, talking about militarizing our police we know what happened last week in the protest in washington, d. C. That happens in latin america, not the United States of america. Lets get back to the real issue, violence against black and brown people. Latinos, hispanic, they are not all part of the drug cartel. They are not all criminals the way you always view every opportunity to do that. So please spare me your hypocrisy and mr. Gates, if you want to be acting, go to hollywood. We need to be legislating here. Point of order here. The gentlelady yields back. The gentleman from ohio. Thank you mr. Chairman. Thet of all im not sure chair addressed the points of order several members on this yield to theo i gentleman from arizona to make his point of order since the chairman wont recognize the them recommend them on the chairs time. Thank you. What we just heard, a personal attack on someone is out of order and contrary to the decorum of this committee and i would ask you to rule out of order. Point of order. Toand challenge and yield the gentleman for his point. The gentleman has not stated the point of order, members should address the chair. The gentleman from rhode island. Parliamentary inquiry. To be just hear my good friend mr. Buck actually say that the democrats on this committee were attempting to facilitate child traffickers . Claims that was just made about the motives of democrats was beyond it was breathtaking, it wasnt even worthy of responding to now in the face of that they have the audacity to claim that someones word should be taken down . That is not a popper proper parliamentary inquiry. All member should address the chair. The judgment from ohio. Id like to yield to the judgment from colorado. Id want to tell my friend from rhode island that i was answering a hypothetical question from mr. Gates. The hypothetical was why would ourcrats want to oppose Border Patrol having the ability your interrupting and i am not giving you time. The democrats want to oppose having Border Patrol at least at equal strength to the militarized cartels that are coming across. I could not possibly come up with a reason for that, but if i had to dig really deep, it would be something as absurd as wanting something to happen that absolute should never happen. I yield back to my friend from ohio. The gentling from ohio. I think the jennifer yielding. Thank the gentleman for yielding. The gentlelady from florida attacked his motives. He is not acting. He is fighting for principles he cares about and believes in. We are debating important issues. Then to insinuate something about his motive, that is exactly what youre not supposed to do. Talk about someones motive for what they are saying but that is exactly which were not supposed to do, ive heard about the rules of decorum, that is certainly one of them. That is why the gentleman from arizona raised a point. Representative i would note the gentleman made the trip. Representative my desire to protect this country, to protect what is special about it, to ensure order patrol agents dont die when they do duty to our country, is no act. The act is the effort to weave in the radical left desire to have no borders into a policing hearing. If this is about policing and black lives matter, why are you trying to hurt ice and Border Patrol . Because the democrats of the act have the act in this committee. So there is no trip to hollywood. But i invite every democrat on the committee to join congressman biggs, and perhaps you would be able to see how hard this fight is against an enemy that is resourced with billions of dollars, that is launching hand grenades at the people who seek to protect our families and communities. If you want to know why we are not concerned out the Canadian Border, no one is throwing grenades over the Canadian Border at our country. And you realize your bill hurts the Canadian Border. My amendment preserves the protection for the whole country, because i love the whole country. It is worthy of protection. I honor the people who fight on our border against those who do us harm. Everybody watching at home knows what is really going on after all this they havent taken a single republican amendment, even stuff they agree with, and now they have jumped the shark on policing. This is no longer about policing. It is precisely about what the black visions Minnesota Group intended to accomplish, defund the police, defund Border Patrol, eliminate orders, get borders altogether, get rid of the military and get rid of the United States. It is what you are raising money for, mr. Chairman. I showed at the last Committee Hearing where a member of this committee, democratic caucus, raising money for an organization that wants to destroy the United States. There they want to dismantle the states. How dare any of you question our motives when we are trying to preserve what is special about this country while working with you about stuff you care about. We want to get rid developments we want to get rid of the elements of policing that harm people. We want more training. The president has taken leadership on chokeholds. I voted with you on noknock warrants. But thats not enough for you. You would rather smear our families and smear our motives that legislate more americans will die and that blood will be on your hands. You you and you chair nadler the gentleman is i write recognized. Representative move to strike you know the last word. Money every i rise in opposition to this amendment. This committee appropriates money every year for ice and Border Patrol, for their weapons, whatever their needs are, this congress appropriates. For whatever their needs are, this congress appropriate their needs. Ice and the Border Patrol do not need to rely on the government 1033 surplus military Equipment Program in order to do their jobs. If we had to rely on the 1033 program for our Law Enforcement, we would be in bad shape. We have never done it. We dont do it. We want to do it. The thing about the 1033 program that needs to be shut down is the fact it allows these Law Enforcement agencies to petition directly to the department of defense to get what ever militarygreat weapons they want. Whatever military grade weapons they want. No civilian authority involved whatsoever. That means the park service, for instance, the u. S. Park service is a Police Agency of the federal government. Should the head of the parks police decide that they want an armed drone to do their work inside our borders . No, we should not allow for that to be a possibility. But with this 1033 program, it is a possibility and is something we need to close up. We dont need the postal Service Police to be militarizing. For what purpose . If we authorize it and appropriate funding for it, fine. But dont bypass the civilian authority. Dont allow the Police Agencies to militarize and become a military unit within our borders, and the civilian authority has nothing to do with it . That is reckless and irresponsible for us to have this loophole in our law that is as big as a tank that can be driven through it right to the streets by the park police, the u. S. Park police, by the u. S. Postal inspection, even by u. S. Probation and pretrial services. We dont want this to be the case in america, so we need to close this loophole, not just for local and state Law Enforcement, but also for federal Law Enforcement agencies. If it is a federal Law Enforcement agency that needs equipment, then it is our job in congress, in this house of representatives and in the senate, to authorize and appropriate whatever they need. We are the ones that determine whether the equipment is necessary, whether it is proper, not the agency itself. And undercurrent law, the agency makes all the decisions. I dont think we want that to be the case in america with our Police Agencies able to bulk up and become militarized without our consent. That is undemocratic. It is a threat to our liberty. I yield back. Representative mr. Chairman, move to strike the last word. Chair nadler recognized. Representative mr. Biggs has been trying to get one. Chair nadler i was not aware of anyone seeking recognition. Miss escobar has started. Representative we will let mr. Biggs go first. I will go after him. Chair nadler for what purpose does the gentleman from arizona seek recognition . To strike the last word. Presented of the gentleman is representative just last week, i took a number of congressmen to the border. I grew up in southern arizona. It is a wide open space. We went to a ranch down on the new mexicoarizona border. It is where rob prince was killed 10 years ago by somebody who was here illegally, that mr. Prince was trying to give food and water to. This amendment solves is the provisioning of the Border Patrol with the equipment to fight a superior armed force. The ranch is in a highlytrafficked corridor of human and drug smuggling, no fences there. Do you know how long it takes to get there by car . Two and hours. Do you know how vast that area is . It is big and expansive and the number of agents that patrol the area is few. It takes 45 minutes to get the helicopter there. By the time you get there, smugglers are 45 minutes gone up into the mountains. You need this equipment. A couple of trips ago, we got into blackhawks and toured the section of the border, and as we went over the mountains, rugged, sharp mountains, the pilot said, right here is where we rescued a woman eight months pregnant. They had to lower agents down from the black hawk, pick her up, bring her up and transport her to tucson. The violence along the border, which we try and which the cartels dont want to spill in because they know it would raise public awareness, was manifested earlier this year. Two small ports of entry, 18 miles apart, we are building fence between them now, i was there last week, but between douglas and nacco, there was a dispute from remnants of a cartel, and they were killing each other off, posting heads on fences, so they could control the plaza, the entryway, the gateway into the country, and everyone coming in, individuals, commercial vehicles, they are all paying a price to come across. You may not think that is important, but if you live along the border, you saw what was going on. And this flows across our borders. 40 of all drugs that come through arizona come through the tucson sector, into the country. They come through the tucson sector. There are scouts in the mountains. A lot of people dont think arizona has mountains. We have got mountains 12,000 feet high, filled with scouts so they can track our Border Patrol agents, load up humans and rolled them to san diego, roll them to phoenix. We went to the dea office, a room filled with drugs, opioids they had recently taken, thousands of fentanyl pills, 50 caliber machine gun, they had a table of highlyqualified arsenal to be used against our Border Patrol. And you dont want to give them necessary equipment . Im shocked by that. It is astonishing. Mr. Gaetzs amendment is a positive amendment. It will help secure our border. We have crime coming through. With that i support his , amendment. I yield back. Chair nadler for what purpose does the gentle lady texas seek recognition . I move to strike the last word. Thank you, mr. Chairman. I would like to state for the record and does a reminder to my colleagues, im the only member of this committee who lives on the u. S. Mexico border. In fact, im a thirdgeneration woman who lives on the u. S. Mexico border. Representative jayapal, first it was seattle, now it is the southern border, classic tactics intended not just to distract us from the purpose of this hearing, which is Police Brutality and systemic racism we are trying to address. But they are also, as i mentioned, i responded to the comments about seattle, it is a crisis in your community in seattle and against people on the southern border. I am embarrassed that we even have to go down this route for the last 15 minutes, instead of talking about Police Brutality we had to hear stories about how dangerous the u. S. Mexico border is, about how unsafe it is, about how we need to continue pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into communities like mine that have been safe for generations. It is really a tragedy and a shame that we dont have colleagues who will rise to the occasion, but they will clutch their pearls because one of their colleagues was called an actor. Meanwhile, we are accused of child trafficking, of supporting drug cartels. I dont even believe they understand the irony of what is happening here. Here we are, wanting to finally take racism and bigotry had on, headon and what did they do . They use amendments that fuel that same racism and bigotry. Because with all their talk about how dangerous communities like mine are, what does that do . It makes us the enemy. That is what makes it easy for them to put children in cages. That is what makes it easy for them to paint moms with babies arriving at our front door as some type of National Security threat. It is what allows them to continue to dehumanize immigrants, because it feeds the narrative that gets them votes. So while they are feeding that narrative, what they are doing is feeding the racism and bigotry that is used against us. And no community on the border knows about her than my own. Knows it better than my own. There is one thing that mr. Gaetz said that i agree with and that is yes, the border is militarized. My side of the border is militarized. The u. S. Side of the border is militarized. Hundreds of billions of dollars on walls, on quadrupling, more than quadrupling the number of personnel, on all sorts of military equipment that is already here in my Community Every single day. I think it is about time that america wakes up, not just the racism that is so systemic in Law Enforcement against black and Brown Brothers and sisters, but i think we need to own up to the immigrant bashing and the way w