Then in june, 4. 8 million net new jobs. Both of those are historic records. We never had that much job creation before. It is not as if the economy was weak. The economy was strong. Parts shut down in any and then as it opens up, it is returning to the more robust economy we had in january and february of this year. Nothing has changed. The lower taxes that give us more growth are still there. Bitderegulation, which is a a year ago was saving 220 billion a year in terms of the cost of things is down because of changes in regulations. That is an old number. What they are struggling with and thevernors, mayors, federal government have shut down, it is tough to get on a plane, after travel, people are not allowed to go to bars and restaurants. Killed,jobs were not but on pause. And hopefully will come back strong. They havent yet come back to the status quo. Revenues for state and local governments are lower. There has not been as much activity to rein in spending, recognizing this challenge. Some states have very good, robust rainy day funds. For minutes host . Host in terms of the federal response, do you think most of that response by the federal government has been appropriate . Its not only that it is a Government Program so there could be massive errors and , given that it is a brandnew program, one expect problems like that. The government did a calculation that they think they preserved 51 million jobs with the paycheck paycheck protection program. That was helpful because those were jobs threatened because of the government shutdown. It is not that some company was stupid and lost money. These are problems caused by the government. Kind of like when the government decides to build a road across gore farm, have to pay you for the damage they are doing. When the government says they are stopping you from going into the office and having this normal work routine, ppp was to try to keep people employed. That has certainly stabilized the job loss. People lose their jobs even in the middle of a Strong Economy. Normal,losses back to at what you would expect to have them in a regular economy, People Living jobs or coming back to them. That has been helpful. One challenge we have is when they increased, when they put a federal addition on the federal compensation. Atlantic cover usually half of your salary up to a point. It is a good cushion, it is not the same as having a job, but it gives you something. The federal government added 600 a week or 2400 a month. That is temporary. Most of the federal response has been temporary reforms. That is very helpful, because you dont want to have a temporary problem and make permanent changes that 100 years from now you are still paying for the croak the covid program. They havent done that. Because they added the 600 a unemployment,e americans,368 of they actually took on more money on employed than employed. And it was for four months, it is going to discourage bringing people back into the workforce. That ends august 1. He should see significant people returning to work. Host on the payroll protection washingtone ppp, the post poinsettia photo of you. They point out that your anndation took a loan of hundred 50,000 to 350,000 dollars from the program. Tell us the difference between your foundation and americans for tax reform and how did you use that money from that loan . Guest sure. Americans for tax reform as a Political Organization that fights for lower taxes. Four. Called a 501 c that organization was not open to the ppp program. He received no federal money. It would not take federal money. The foundation is like the Heritage Foundation for the brookings institute, which is a foundation that does research. Nations and companies were open too, they wanted you to keep people employed. We laid nobody off. We did noty cut, but have to lay anybody off. What ppp wastly looking for. Whether you are a foundation or university or college, those are also not for profits, they wanted those jobs protected as well as what we think of as a Manufacturing Firm or company. It is for both nonprofits and or prophets. To make up foris the damage that telling people they cant fly places and do certain work does to a nonprofit or for profit. Host do you think your foundation will need additional aid . Guest i dont think so. It was badly hurt at first because they do conferences and so on. They were all canceled. That will not continue forever. I think that is fine. Protecten able to both those jobs and keep people working, which is the point. You never know how other ways you could have done it. We have certainly been advocates , eliminating for six months or a year, the Social Security tax. That would drop the cost of hiring somebody for company or nonprofit by 15 . Both hiring somebody becomes less expensive and they keep more of their earnings. It both makes coming back to and makesremunerative it less expensive to keep somebody in job or hire somebody new. I like that idea. The president expressed interest in it. It had less support in congress. It is always brought up as an option. Host what kind of impact might that have on Social Security . Will it reduce revenues to the trust fund . Guest theyve done this in the past. They simply say, the federal government will make up the it adds to the deficit, but if you had spent the money on some other program, it adds to the deficit. This is a taxcut you do deficit spending into the Social Security program. Thank you for asking. All of the money that would have been raised for Social Security would be raised, it would simply come through the income tax and through deficit spending. That is one proposal. The most important thing to do is consistent with Health Concerns, to open up those parts of the economy that can be opened up. Somee 50 states there was mistakes. People were told they could not allowed in a rowboat in the lake by themselves or couldnt play golf by themselves. But it was ok if you wandered around on the golf course, but not if you had a golf club. This is the governor of michigan. That had nothing to do with health. Cant of these jobs, you with masks do them quite safely. We need to move more and more of that as quickly as we can to get people back working. It is also, there is the Health Concerns of covid. There are also the Health Concerns of people not being at work, both Mental Health and because they told people, you cant come into the hospitals and do certain elective surgeries, people have been putting off surgeries. Debtve seen increases in from other things that may be caused because people are told, dont come into the hospital. And they let something go longer than they should have. The cost of the reaction to covid is not just more unemployment. It is also a health cost. We need to keep an eye on, keep that down. Host our guest is Grover Norquist. As we approach this years tax day, july 15, moved from april 15, we welcome your calls and comments. 202 7488000 four democrats. For republicans. For independence, 202 7488002. A quick headline. Mnuchin sees new stimulus. There is talk that Mitch Mcconnell also interested in additional spending. We talked about ppp. What is your view of more monetary response to the pandemic . Guest there are different ways you can do it. There are a number of taxing taxcut you can do. Making it easier to keep people hired. Some of those were done in a first plan. Of, could you average your tax burden word and backwards so you are not paying more or less but even it out . That was very helpful, saved a lot of companies. That was a good idea. Is, whene challenges you talk about stimulus, if you take a dollar from somebody and give it to somebody else, you havent stimulated the economy. If you take a bucket of water from one side of the light like and report back into the lake havent stimulated like, you have simply moved it. Had this challenge when obama had this 800 dollars of what he called a stimulus package. We had the weakest recovery since the Great Depression because he didnt change the incentives to people to work, save, and in test. You just threw a of money out there and that can be helpful in a crisis. It doesnt stimulate the economy. And i would be i know that both the president or the Vice President said they wanted to keep 1 trillion, which, washington is restrained. There are concerns we need to do some tort reform. The trial lawyers have been talking about suing the people who make vaccines. That could delay vaccines. If people go back to work and get covid, can you sue everybody involved . In which case, people wont rehire and bring people back. There are some protections that are important. I do think that reducing or eliminating the Social Security tax is the way to increase wages to people and reduce the cost of hiring people and keeping them hired. That would give you a real impact on, as a way to do it. Host let me ask you, one of your notable quotes, paraphrasing you. You said you dont want to get rid of government you would like it small enough to drown in a bathtub. Extending that metaphor, could a government the size of a bathtub respond to Something Like this pandemic . Guest thats a very interesting issue. What has been the response to covid . What did we learn in health care . There have been 700plus different deregulations getting rid of laws, suspending regulation because we found they got in the way of fighting against the virus. , 700cans for tax reform and 40 regulations. Announced, wedc are going to come up with a test. And nobody else is allowed to. For six weeks they did that, they came up with a test that didnt work. Instead of going to the companies and universities around the world and around the United States and say, what have you got . For six weeks we had a tellnment napoli, cdc, everybody they are smarter than everybody else and nobody else could do this. When it was opened up we got lots of different testing and accurate testing. We have plenty of testing now, but we lost six weeks because of government bureaucracy got in the way. To whack them because the cdc wanted you to send your test into them. Roles, thel these fda has lots of rules on a new vaccine. They are going back to some of the progress we made in the fight on aids. All of the things that the food and Drug Administration taken theyof speeding things up, sidetracked that for aids. We should do that for all new drugs. Who should move it forward as safely and as quickly as possible, because when you come up with a new medicine that saves 5,000 5000 lives a year but it took you 10 years to get there, that means 50,000 people died while you are waiting for that. Maybe you spend some time testing, but is tenures necessary . Maybe not. 10 years necessary . Maybe not. You have seen laws at the state level where a doctor is not a doctor in the next state or a nurse practitioner. Those have been put aside because they got on the way of moving doctors and nurses across state lines. Those should be permanent reforms. Most of the problems we have had have come from government being too sclerotic. Governments are always monopolies until you take it to the local level and let them compete. I think weve learned a great deal. I think we can avoid some of those mistakes in the future. Government was too large and too monopolistic, stopped other people from helping, got in the way. Remember the plastic bag bans . Biden stated he wants to ban plastic bags nationally. They found that those one time use plastic bags were very good in avoiding getting covid because when you have those bags that you use again and again, they built up problems. Banning plastic bags got people sick. Government telling people what to do and how to take care of their health, dogooders who wanted to blame ban plastic bags killed some people. Host lets open up for callers. We will go first to south bend, indiana. Donald, good morning. Caller i told the screener that i will be civil, but listening spiel, exactly what you just said to the moderator. You said about that infamous quote. We would have we wouldnt be here if this current gutted our had the people that were supposed to go over to fight such intentional epidemics. Guest you mean china . Caller just listen to what i am saying. I understand that people dont like to pay taxes. There is a role for government. This is a classic example where people,rnment who had Health Care Professionals ready to help us keep virus atemic or this bay. I think people like you and i think also people like Chris Jankowski, people like you, you are responsible for what we are going through. I hope you two people responsible. If you want to know why i hold Chris Jankowski responsible, it , thisause of how he has project read map and how this has gutted our government. That were so onesided host i will let you go there. Grosvenor west, any response . Grover norquist, any response . If you remember, the idea that governments fix things, communist china is a very Big Government. They decided to lie to the world about the nature of covid, about whether it was spreading. They knew about it for some time. Then the World Health Organization bought their line. And were telling people this is not a big deal. The idea we have too little government is counterfactual. Very Big Government decided to lie to people about the problem and i to the rest of the world and light to the who. The reason the United States is pulling out of the who, is that were praising the chinese and not playing a role getting information out, but basically repeating i understand governments dont like to be embarrassed. That is why government monopolies are problem attic. They dont like the truth out. They dont like embarrassing things said. You go to the whole list of how we got from here to there, too much government, too intrusive government allowed this to spread faster. Governments lying to people, not letting people have information. Dictatorship in how it runs of politics. Host you pointed out, your issues with the cdcs slow response. What about on the ground in china . Could we have had a better presence there . Guest if the communist chinese had given them permission to see what they want to see, that is, you know, having people on the ground blocked by chinese officials to show them potemkin villages would not necessarily have you more. All of the preparations for the down in thepent obamabiden years. And not replaced. This idea that government plans ahead well is counterfactual or that hyden and obama did a good job, there is counterfactual. Back toer brought us the storage we had. I think we have should have stores in private hospitals so we dont rely on the governments to tell us, weve got enough. How do we know that . Government is big and clunky and doesnt get things done quickly. They tell other people they cant participate. That is what the cdc did, that is what the fda has done. Japan says that the united dates has tested something, we will look at it for a month or two, but as long as their tests look good, that new drug is available here. They dont replicate the expense of american process again. There is no reason why we should in coming up with vaccines, after replicate serious work done in british or german or efforts diversities and or companies. There is a lot we can do. Competition always beats monopolies and government is always a monopoly. Government is always a monopoly. Host lets hear from renee in waterbury, connecticut, republican line. Hello Grover Norquist. I have some questions for you and i hope you can be as honest as you can. Does someone with as much education, wealth, and backing behind you feel you needed to take the cares act for your nonprofit and at the same time, you are asking for smaller government, yet you are taking this money and you have all of this power, knowledge, friends, and do you feel at all guilty for the mom and pops that cant get the money because you took it and was there any alternative you could have done in your company with all your wisdom to have not taken that money . You address that a little bit. Care to expand . Been we have sort of through that and this call is on the republican line . The point is what we are trying to do with the ppp the paycheck attraction paycheck Protection Plan has plenty of resources. They have not funneled all the money that they have. It is a loan and your goal is when you get badly damaged as a company, business, foundation, school or university, try to make sure you dont have to lay people off in the short term. It is a shortterm problem or fix and americans for tax reform s sister organization, we did not oppose the ppp plan for just that reason. We said this is an effort by government to fix a problem that government created. They shut your business down, they told you you couldnt go to work, they made the planes not fly. As a result, it is reasonable for the government to make some effort at making people whole, but we want to do it in the most effective way possible, which is why i suggested earlier a better way to do it is to temporarily budgetor eliminate the tax. Host everett from colorado on the republican line. I would like to refer to a place in the constitution when it comes to taxes that maybe you can explain to me and maybe your audience. Article one, section a where it says taxes throughout the United States should be uniform. Could you explain the uniform part as far as percentage growth and how that would balance out with people . I would also like to encourage people to read the constitution. I had to go through it word for word since this impeachment thing was going on and i would like to make a small comment about the guarantee in the to look for the word democratic or democrat in the constitution or declaration of independence or the confederation papers. Article four, section four, it iners to the United States the united it says states shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government. I cannot find democrat in the