Eli crane, matt gates, bob good, ncy mays and matt rosendale. You can follow the u. S. House when lawmakers return here on cspan. Host weve been covering capitol hill. What do you know, billy, what happens next . Guest theyre heading to a unified house conference going in closed sessions shortly here at 6 30 and different scenarios, Kevin Mccarthy will announce his candidacy for the speakership, maybe. Our republicans saying they dont think thats a good idea and dont think he can win and he knows it. Perhaps discussion of other candidates ranging from the current number two who is battling health concerns, Steve Scalise, tom emmer, the noes counter, and others, including people you wouldnt think of but who may throw their hats in the ring. A lot of disorientation there within the group but they know they have 44 days to another potential shutdown and dont want the country to perceive them as unable to address the governing they need to do, so theres a sense theyll push for a speaker vote as soon as they can. Host is that tonight, billy house . Guest some say tonight. I havent been able to confirm that. I dont think thats probably likely. But, you know, this has been a day and a week full of unlikely things happening almost every hour. Host indeed. Who addresses the conference tonight, who leads the meeting . Guest mchenry who we just heard assumed the temporary duties, essentially clerical duties as the temporary leader of the conference. And of the house itself. House itself. And he is liked by a lot of factions in the party but not the speaker. But he may be a perfect guy to run this transition period. Host behind closed doors will these eight republicans who voted against Kevin Mccarthy, do they go to the Conference Meeting tonight . Im sure they will. None of them including matt gaetz would ever be considered real speaker candidates themselves but i dont think what we saw on the floor today signifies that they have lost their voice. I believe they have now established that their voices matter and to a great degree. They will be at the meeting and there might be some shouting back and forth. But the conference has got to get back together and come up with somebody and you know, took 15 times last time and dont want to do that again. Host is there anything Kevin Mccarthy can offer to these eight republicans . I dont think so. I think he tried to do it and they claim he renighed on so many promises that he barely got elected in january and cant trust him. Democrats are saying they couldnt trust him either and renighed on the default bill with the president and democrats and he had a trust problem with a large chunk of his party. It would be one of the great come backs of all time if he could turn around and get elected speaker and if he did, he would be at the beck and call than the matt gaetzs of the world. Host were you in the chamber when the vote was taking place . I was. Host what did you see and hear after the vote was called . It was amazing. Democrats were calm, some of them jovial. Kevin mccarthy got out of his seat and stood in the aisle and his allies and even some allies lined up lined to shake his hand and hug him. There were some tears. This guy going to make a come back as speaker and quick turn around, those people appeared to have written him off already. But it was an eerie Quiet Chamber and people were trying to absorb that. Host how does the house function right now . 6 30, they will move to a speakers vote or will Patrick Mchenry be a caretaker as they continue to negotiate issues like the remaining Appropriations Bills and deadline, keep government funding that now is 44 days away and there are other issues. Trying to at least appear that enthe majority can still govern. That would indicate to me they are going to do to have a speaker election right away and speaker election right away and after being ousted as speaker of the house earlier today we expect to hear from Kevin Mccarthy speaking to reporters in about 20 minutes. Florida representative matt gaetz called for the vote that led to his removal. Congressman gaetz spoke after the vote defending his decision to offer a motion to vacate the chair. Matt mccarthy said he wanted us to bring it on so i guess we did. Reporter when we spoke to you yesterday before you introduced the motion you didnt sound confident you would have the votes. Now you do. What does that tell you about matt what that tells me is youre very poor at reading conferences. [indiscernible] matt Kevin Mccarthy couldnt keep his word and made an agreement in january regarding the way washington would work and he disregarded that. We face a 2. 2 trillion deficit. Kevin mccarthy is a creature of the swamp. Hes risen to hauer by collecting special interest money and restricting that money in exchange for favors. Were breaking the fever now and we should elect a speaker to be better. Reporter you said last night Steve Scalise was a name you floated to potentially be speaker. Where do things stand now, if not mccarthy then who . Matt the stages of grief are in process now with my colleagues, they were at a stage of denial and i certainly experienced a good amount of their anger and now we are headed to bondings. I think Steve Scalise would make a hell of a speaker. Oil afraid of the 33 trillion in debt crushing my district and afraid of the dollar losing its status. When they want to expel me let me know when they have the votes. Reporter you have less than 45 days left to pass the bills, something you want to do, doesnt it completely paralyze the house, we could see 15 more rounds. Matt i dont think we will. Kevin mccarthy should take a hint, after eight months of a failed speakership and after removal in this historic manner, i think we should move on and find somebody else. Whats paralyzed the house of representatives has been the failure of Speaker Mccarthy. What paralyzed the house of representatives was not taking up appropriation bills. We left for a sixweek vacation while the appropriations process hung in the balance and because i forced these people to take a few votes, you think im paralyzing the house of representatives. I think the house of representatives has been paralyzed for the last several decades as weve refused to pass a budget governed by continuing resolution and omnibus bill. I think this represents the ripping off of the bandaid and what we need to do to get back on track. Reporter what do you say to your colleagues who argue you dont have another name right now, you dont have someone else who could get 218 votes, what do you tell them . Matt i would tell them for certain Kevin Mccarthy cant get 218 votes so lets try another person. How about mchenry, hes a pro tempore, obviously. Matt it would have to be a meeting of the minds. Im sorry, huh a question. Reporter are you asking for a guarantee for whoever is floated as candidate for the next speaker for them to actually move the appropriations process along in a speed that satisfies you . Matt yes. Reporter will you putting yourself up for speakership . Matt absolutely not. I have no desire. Reporter how do you have 200 republicans behind you . How about emmer and others . Matt hed make a great speaker. Reporter have you spoken with him . Matt ive spoken with him but ill keep my conversations to myself. Reporter what went through your head when the vote gaveled down when Kevin Mccarthy wasnt speaker . Matt we have to move to the next step. Were not at the end of the process. At most, were approaching halftime. We have to be able to assemble a governing coalition and build from a place of trust. The reason Kevin Mccarthy went down today is because nobody trusts Kevin Mccarthy. Hes made multiple contradictory promises and when they all came due he lost votes to people who maybe not ideologically agree with me on everything. Take my colleague from South Carolina, ms. Mace, she has different views than i do on a variety of subjects but what we have in common, Kevin Mccarthy lied to all of us. Reporter youre saying nobody trusts Kevin Mccarthy, are you talking about seven republicans compared to about 200 republicans who actually do trust him. So can you explain that here . Matt as it turns out, getting 200 republicans to trust you isnt enough to stay speaker. Reporter did you tell President Trump about the ousting and was he supportive of what youre doing . Matt i talked to mr. Trump the last several days and the vote just has taken place. Reporter did you think it was a good idea, you didnt want to see republicans fighting with other republicans so how do you respond to the former president . Matt i would say the congressman leaves me with great confidence were doing the same thing. Reporter what about americans confused about the agenda . Matt the conservative agenda was being paralyzed by Kevin Mccarthy. We havent seen a subpoena to hunter biden. Our Spending Priorities were misaligned, the top line budget was going to lead to more inflation, more debt, more challenges. The best way to advance the conservative agenda is move forward with a new speakership. Reporter when elected does it allow the vacation . Matt Steve Scalises vote didnt lie with Speaker Mccarthy most of the time, why would he want the job after this just happened . Matt thats a question for him. Heres what i would say, i think a lot of members are going to reflect after this historic moment. I think anything people said before the mccarthy ouster is probably bearing less weight than the way people may be thinking about these questions afterwards. Reporter the comments about Steve Scalise yesterday, will you yourself nominate Steve Scalise as speaker of the house . Reporter maybe. I want to hear from him. Im not here to make a judgment of where he stands with his rehabilitation station and recovery. I would give him the deference to decide whether or not hed like to put himself forward as a stand bit but would be the type of person i would see myself supporting. There are many people. I could see myself supporting tom emmer or mike johnson from louisiana or myself supporting Jodey Arrington of texas and see myself supporting kevin american of oklahoma. There are people outside of the United StatesCongress Like lee keldon who is respected outside of our conference like lee zeldon. Reporter how about moving forward with the appropriations process that you wanted . Matt thanks for that acknowledgement. I heard on the floor the mccarthy allies, its Kevin Mccarthy who led us to this moment with single subject appropriation bills and the only thing weve done is reporter youve gotten the speaker ousted what is next . Matt elect a new speaker. Reporter are you running for governor of florida in 2026 . Matt no. Reporter if theres no one you support, how long does this go on . [indiscernible] reporter as a woman i was fighting for womens rights before i came to congress. When roe v. Wade was overturned, i made deals with Speaker Mccarthy and weve done nothing for them and i come from South Carolina and you shake my hand and make a promise and you dont keep it, there are consequences to those actions and as a woman thats been fighting my party on this issue where they made promises to get women greater access to Birth Control and dont do it and were 10 months in and dont have time to do it or as a survivor of rape and i worked all year on a rape kit bill that hasnt seen the time of day, i cannot tell you how frustrating that is as a woman in this conference, in this capitol to have that happen. If you make a promise you should keep it. If you promise women youre going to help them, you damn well better do it. As a fiscal conservative, im angry as a woman. I am deeply frustrated and you know, thats a consequence of that behavior and i want the American People to trust the speaker. When the speaker makes the promise to either side of the aisle they ought to keep it. Its not left versus right because the speaker told democrats one thing and republicans another. Were not going to agree on everything all the time. Were going to have fights and disagreements but were all adults here, 134 sides will win and some will lose but that debate is worthwhile and its not worth misleading people or keeping secrets on both side of the aisles but its about having a leader in our nation who will tell the truth who you can trust and thats what the American People deserve. Reporter who will be the next speaker . Reporter how did you weigh it against the others . Nancy the house would be in chaos if this did not happen. Im looking for a speaker who will tell the truth and be honest and trustworthy with congress, with both parties. Were a deeply divided nation. Were a deeply divided capital right now. We need people who will tell the truth and be honest and who the American People can trust. At the end of the day for me its about trust and dont make promises you cant keep and dont lie. Reporter would you support Steve Scalise for speaker . Nancy im open to a number of folks up here and well have that discussion and well figure out who will be the next speaker but from my perspective as a woman up here, i want someone who is going to be honest. If we say were going to help women in this country, we ought to do it. If we say were going to rein in spending with and have a budget, well disagree on the numbers but we should have a debate. And you say well have 12 spending bills sending money back to the people he with ought to do it and it didnt happen here and why were in this situation. If he continues to be speaker there will be chaos that will continue because hes not been honest with either party. Reporter can he win you back . Nancy he might. Well see what happens next. Reporter did you have any communication with the speaker . Nancy the speaker spoke with my staff rather than call me. Ive been here, he has my number and knows how to get ahold of me. Im looking for a speaker who will be honest. Reporter are you concerned the leadership crisis hurts members like you that will be in a race next year . Nancy this is a debate worth having, its not ideological or left versus right but chaos. Its about finding leadership in this country to be honest and the American People deserve truth and someone they can trust and thats what it should be about. We should be able to trust our leaders in this country. The reason were in this place now, the whole country is in chaos because weve had leaders that divided us and not brought us together. We need to be united but weve got to have leadership we can trust. The speaker pro tempore the resolution is adopted and the motion to reconsider is laid on the table. The office of speaker of the house of the United States house of representatives is hereby declared vacant. 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