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CSPAN2 Key Capitol Hill Hearings June 22, 2024

Application instead will now have managed access and a dispute resolution mechanism that will allow iran to delay inspections of suspect sites and permit russia and china to obstruct action in the Security Council. Fac and sanctions relief and the so called snapback provisions that the administration wants emphasized as a guard against iranian cheating have been shown to be more words than substance. The president has talked about a huge signing bonus sums it up to 150 billion, and moscow has been very direct. There will be no automatic reimposition of sanctions. I could go on but let me just say that i long to conclude ago that the only real barrier to an agreement is the willingness of iran to take yes for an into the yes the iranian will agree to certain conditions such as not building buildings that they had never intended to build. Instead of no enrichment, they can operate five or 6000 centrifuges under the agreement but to also be allowed to maintain and storage thousands of other machines that could be brought online relatively quickly. R d and to the more advanced centrifuges will go on. Yes, it is better at that the century just are not being connected during the agreement but that doesnt make this a good deal. In fact, this is unquestionably based on what we know a bad deal, and this important distinction often gets lost in the rhetoric. Everyone Everyone Wants a negotiated outcome, including and perhaps more than anyone else, israels leaders. Polls cited by the administration to show that a large majority of americans want a diplomatic outcome. Of course, they do. But the next question is what is a majority support a bad deal . And i think the likely answer is a resounding no. So what are the metrics to judge the outcome to judge whether this is a good or bad deal . I think they are rather straightforward and you think about it. Here are five. Does the agreement deny iran a Nuclear Weapon capability . The longstanding declared goal of the United States and the International Community. Does the agreement once the constraints expire prevent iran from building a Nuclear Weapon in a short amount of time . Does the agreement actually extend the breakout time in a meaningful way . Is the agreement effectively verifiable . And is there a meaningful days of release of sanctions and are they guaranteed snapback provisions . And i think very clearly the answer to each of these questions is no. Of reality that is becoming apparent across party lines. So how did we get into this mess, and have no doubt this is a mess. The answer is very clear. The administration has violated every rule of negotiating practice. The basic canon of negotiating onetoone. Instead of increasing pressure on tehran through more sanctions, they released sanctions to end their word keep iran at the table. But whenever it was these very sanctions that brought them to the table. Instead of making clear to iran iran need an agreement more than we, the administration has demonstrated just the opposite. That it is desperate for an agreement. A desperation that irans negotiators have exploded to the fullest as seen even today in the demand for ending the arms embargo. Instead of insisting on full compliance with the interim jpoa, the administration has in effect become irans advocate and lawyer, reinterpreting the provisions of the agreement to keep negotiations going. Instead of insisting that the word deadline means deadline the administration has allowed iran to squeezed further concessions each time the latest deadline approaches and then passes. And most important, instead of holding the line on those key issues that would actually determine whether the agreement is good or bad whether it advances the u. S. Security interests or undermines them the administration has made concession after concession. And the consequences are profound. Any agreement that allows iraq to continue to build its Ballistic Missile force while simultaneously permitting iran to maintain if not expand its Nuclear Capability will undermine u. S. National sigir interests as well as those of our friends and alice in the region and beyond. Iran will almost certainly become the preeminent power in the gulf with a u. S. Pullout from iraq and the drawdown from afghanistan there will be few who oppose irans further expansion. In the past decade irans benevolent presence has grown in syria and lebanon and more recently in iraq and yemen. The administrations suggestion that a nuclear deal will lead to a more moderate iran is sheer fantasy. All you have to do is listen to what the iranians are saying. For me personally because i approach these issues from a nonproliferation perspective another strategic consequence of a bad agreement is the increased rossbach for Nuclear Proliferation, one like result of irans greater capacity and influence to reinforce by a growing skepticism among our alice about the u. S. Ability and resolve to defend their interests will be decisions by other gulf states to acquire a Nuclear Threshold capability similar to irans. Saudi arabia has already said openly that it will seek what iran is permitted. And how can we then say no to the saudis and others who want to enrich or perhaps even we process . Abdicating iran stamp of approval. After giving the administration is under one of the most important nonproliferation tools dating back to the carter administration. Finally, because the United States and other p5 1 members have agreed to include Ballistic Missiles from the negotiations the message to other rogue states will be that we are not serious of imposing costs for proliferation. This could further increase the incentives for states seeking weapons of mass destruction to acquire Ballistic Missiles as a means of delivery. F. A. R. Bandicoot encourage even closer cooperation with north korea on the transfer of Missile Technology apparatus Nuclear Weapons technologies as well. With tens of billions of dollars in sanctions relief, irans military and its revolutionary guards will have access to more resources for more missiles, for more weapons across the spectrum and for more terrorist activity. A bad agreement will result in a less stable and less safe world. For the regional states, for israel and for the United States. Let me conclude by saying that one didnt need to be present to note even two years ago how this is going to turn out. The Administration Still clings to the old talking points, youve heard them in the last couple of days that it will not accept a bad deal, that he will walk away if iran doesnt meet its demands and, of course, that no one yet knows how this will turn out because nothing is agreed until all is a great. But let me cmid if you find these statements credible given all that we do know i think you are living in the bizarro world. In fact, for me i long ago concluded really quite sadly that a Supreme Leader was less likely to distort the status of the negotiations to his public than the white house was to the american public. The American People as president obama has said deserves the truth. Lets ensure that they did it. Thank you very much. Thank you ambassador. Emerging nuclear deal with iran has significant flaws and risks that could dangerously undermine u. S. National security either directly in terms of the Nuclear Technologies and capacities that patio grants iran, or indirectly in terms of the regional implications to the deal. I like to focus my comments primarily on the regional implications, get into little way of how some of our alice in the region look at this appeal. Although the administration ended negotiations pledging that the negotiation would cut off the path of iran towards a Nuclear Weapon come its become clear that this is more than a diplomatic speedbump that will only delay if not give iran opportunities to cheat on a whole new set of arrangements. The agreement in effect legitimizing iran as a Threshold Nuclear Power and once the restrictions on Irans Nuclear activities expire it will be easier for iran to cross that threshold. Irans Nuclear Infrastructure is left largely intact and its well on its way to developing an International Uranium enrichment capacity that will shorten its spread for a Nuclear Weapon. This fact is not lost on our alice, our friends or frenemies in the region. Youre likely to hedge their bets and take out insurance by working to expand their own nuclear options. The end result could be an Excellent Nuclear proliferation and possible Nuclear Arms Race is the most volatile region in the world today. Irans neighbors see perspective you would allow iran to maintain a huge infrastructure that forced its legitimate civilian needs that include Nuclear Facilities built in violation of Irans Nuclear liberation commitments. And this view would in effect legitimize the operations while imposing very few penalties on iran. And as the ambassador said that sets up a very dangerous situation for potential leverage in the future. Incredibly the administration is offering the ayatollahs and iran today uranium enrichment arrangements that denied to the shah of iran under the ford and carter administrations back in the 1970s. For more than five decades washington is supposed to spread technologies including uranium enrichment even for its allies. It should not make an exception for iran which by doing so in effect they would be conceding the acceptability of an illicit Uranium Enrichment Program and a rogue state and ends up merely haggling over size and scope. Moreover, iran can quickly reneged on its concessions if the ayatollahs decide to do so but sanctions on iran, especially at the u. N. , will take time to reimpose, if they can be reimpose at all. The russians and chinese are sure to bring objections if they see its in their interest to do that. Sophist snapback provision i think is more of a myth than a legitimate institutional arrangement. The elephant in the room that the Obama Administration downplays its irans long history violating its Previous Nuclear agreements. The administration claims that the Framework Agreement provides for an unprecedented and intrusive expection inspection regime but iran has walked away from some of those commitments. Moreover, Saddam Husseins iraq arak was much after the 1991 gulf war but was quickly blocked and circumvented inspections for 12 years until he was ousted in 2003. The administration has sought to ease anxieties about verifying iranian compliance by stressing the role of the International Atomic energy agency, by the iaea only has access to declared Nuclear Facilities and it completely miss irans covert Nuclear Program before it was revealed by the Iranian Opposition groups in 2002. President obama insists that if iran cheats, world will know. But how long will it take to find out that iran is cheating . What will the world do when it discovers that cheating . Look at syria, which the Obama Administration signed a deal with in 2013 trumpeting it as a great nonproliferation agreement in which the assad regime was supposed to distort all of its chemical weapons. Yet today that regime continues to use chlorine gas against its own people with little fear of the consequences. The administrations acceptance of that flawed arrangement and its refusal to enforce its own red lines when confronted with cheating is an extremely alarming all morning president or not least for our regional allies who fear a similar dynamic in the iran deal. The administrations recent actions essentially playing the role of irans large in explaining away violations of the interim accord, its going to convert enriched uranium to the right kind of uranium oxide as noted in todays Washington Post editorial, another flashing alarms on for our allies that will undermine confidence in the u. S. And confidence that will take strong action if iran violates the agreement. Another major problem is its clear that iran come its not clear that iran will be required to come clean on the military dimensions of its Nuclear Program. Pmd and iaea parlance, thats important because its almost impossible to develop a clear picture of the breakout time if you dont know what is the base of iranian factions in which its going to break out. The nuclear deal also gives iran billions of dollars of sanctions really an economic shot in the arm that will bolster one of the most hostile and dangerous regimes in the middle east and boost a threat to the u. S. And its allies. Iran would get 30 50 billion signing bonus immediately and would eventually pocket between 100140 billion of its oil revenues frozen in offshore accounts as a result of sanctions. Moreover iran would reap the benefits of greater oil sanctions, greater oil revenues once the sanctions are lifted. Irans oil Ministry Expects that iran eventually could double its oil exports from about 1. 2 Million Barrels a day to about 2. 3 Million Barrels a day in the future that will give a much greater Financial Resources to finance terrorism and subversion abroad, and its brutal repression at home. The economic payoff for the new clergy would also help iran should reach about the power in its favor and could possibly emboldened regime to become more aggressive in its foreign policy. Allies are also alarmed washington has backed off many of its red lines. Those red lines are fading to think or even pink dotted line. Meanwhile, iran is adding new red lines. Ayatollah khomeini the Supreme Leader last month added a set of red lines that would make a deal impossible. Some have interpreted these pronouncements as a bargaining tactic that it also could spell in the long run i think the death knell of the talks because the Supreme Leaders education goes beyond merely good cop, bad cop and goes right to the heart of one of the problems with the Iranian Regime the fact that you have a government negotiating with the west that could be at any point overruled, undermined and just done an end run around by the Supreme Leader and its important to note that it reflects the interests of irans revolution. That tension between the logic of the revolution and the logic of the state has made a rent always a prickly case for negotiating with. Weve seen it time and again in trying to negotiate with iran. I predict if there is an agreement signed, that may not be the end of negotiations because Supreme Leader will have undoubtedly a new red line about how to implement the agreement. I would think this Supreme Leader may be so adamantly opposed to any kind of flexibility that a good deal with iran may be impossible to get until after he has left the stage. From the viewpoint of many u. S. Allies and friends in the region, this agreement looks like a looming disaster order interest. Israel which is within range of irans Ballistic Missiles has warned that it reserves the right to take them to launch a preventive strike against Irans Nuclear infrastructure if the agreement fails to give adequate safeguards against iran obtaining a Nuclear Weapon. Prime minister netanyahu has warned that disagreement rather than barring the path a Nuclear Weapon is really taking that path. And for israel does is an existential issue. Its not just a question of building some kind of logical legacy. Former iranian president rafsanjani has considered a moderate darkly noted that israel is a one long country meaning it could be destroyed with one Nuclear Weapon while iran is much bigger or it could sustain much greater damage. This kind of rhetoric does not bode well for the future. Israelis argue also that the administration has played a strong hand as the ambassador said releasing sanctions pressures on iran, downplaying the military option and both of these can be effective both of these is to release pressure on iran to not only come up with an acceptable agreement but to come up with any kind of agreement by deadlines. Because its learned time and time again the more it digs in its heels, the more it is rewarded. Israel is not alone in criticizing this deal. Saudi arabia whose king boycotted the white house summit at camp David A Knight as a sign up unhappiness with u. S. Iran policy also was unhappy with the trajectory of a nuclear negotiation. Iran has let it be noted within every nuclear concession that iran received and has entered negotiations with france to build civilian Nuclear Reactors that could in the future become the basis of a fullfledged Nuclear

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