Transcripts For CSPAN2 Key Capitol Hill Hearings 20240622 :

CSPAN2 Key Capitol Hill Hearings June 22, 2024

Maintenance, aviation intelligence. And i think that you will see nato come on board as we continue to build on the capability of those forces. We are willing to stay a little longer if need be. I think that we are waiting to see where the u. S. Is going to go. Every day we are assessing that. Another my Senior Leadership at the end of the fighting these individuals, we will make some decisions in 2016 and beyond. Thank you very much. Our question about the Afghan Government. I would like to ask one about the region and then we will wrap up from there. We have talked about how abdullah and president ghani are doing. We have heard reports about how long it has taken for them to be formed. Could you just explain whatever you think are the most important highlights. In the broader question is how well are they doing twomac are they starting to make headway or is this sort of capping these tensions that are so severe that they could explode at any given time. I think that this is the best political construct now. And what is important to recognize is that this is a unique arrangement that hasnt happened in the past in afghanistan. And you need to kind of put it in context of where we were a year ago. How would we then end up in this arrangement that we have right now. Because a year ago we still had President Hamid karzai who had been leader since 2002. In every five years they had one in april of 2014. And he wasnt allowed to stand in as president and so then you had 26 candidates afghanistan had even more of them. So at the end of the day you had a candidates running in april of 2014 and in order to win the candidacy, no candidate was able to reach that threshold. The first one was a duo with about 40 of the vote. And that happened about two months afterwards in june which we then contested because of both of them being on top and there was a wide recount that happened for a number of months. And that arrangement was brokered by secretary kerry in the United States in order to bring them both leaders together to help govern the countries together. And you just had president karzai at the helm. And doctor abdullah had handled the daytoday operations. And so this is very difficult. What is fascinating to see is how both leaders have a different approach to common problems and how their strength after all have the ability to be good. They are generally on the same page when it comes to broadbased policy. So when it comes to security and regional relations and womens rights and that shouldnt be taken lightly with regard to some of the earlier challenges that we have had. And so where are the challenges that they face and they have had this a long time until even one president karzai was president , it took many months for him to put his cabinet together and so what are the benefits. And while it does take time to come to an agreement, once an agreement is made, that agreement is much stronger. Because both of them are able to deal with their own constituencies who fundamentally disagree on political dynamics. But it actually strengthens the bond of the decision we have an cabinet formed and its a real surprise that he was not able to pass this a few weeks ago. It is good that he is still serving in this capacity. But its also good to talk about this. And what is important to keep in the back of your mind is that the more time that of all the so with this in place the stronger the bond is. And while there are others that are outside the government saying that things need to be changed, i think that they need to recognize and i dont think its at the point where anyone can bring this down. Theres too much of a vested interest in this. They know that they the whole country recognizes the value of the community in afghanistans future. For probably the last three or four months they continue moving forward. And i think as was said over time, they continue to understand the strengths and weaknesses of each other and when they are together, i actually think they complement each other and they work very well. And all the National Level strategic issues, theres no daylight between them. Its all about picking people as they have helped to satisfy different groups and i think that they are working very hard and i think that everyone understands that we had to get this going. And really over the last several days we have been talking every single day. Yesterday they did a video teleconference from germany back to afghanistan, talking about the issues at hand. And so i think between them they understand how important it is. This is the way to go, 80 plus percent of the people in afghanistan have said that the government is our only way forward. There are people trying to keep this moving forward and they understand how important it is and i think theyre not going to let that happen. Its also an appreciation of the International Community. That is so clear when they came to washington and addressed this with both of them and really kind of expressing their appreciation that america has given in to be able to Work Together in a partnership. We recognize that they are not here joining us and you dont want to get too far into the summa is there anything one could say that they have begun to deliver for the benefit of the Afghan People . Obviously making a government work and continuing in preserving security, that is already a great deal. I dont want to be unrealistic, as you say tardy been nine or 10 months. But is there anything that we could point out with any kind of Development Program that is out there, anything else that is a good sign as where the government is going in afghanistan . This is something that they view as a top priority and its right on par with security. And whats interesting is how they both engage this in a robust way and economic issues. To the north, given the relationships he has there has really been pushing forward on those things. With regards to the ease to be able to bring Economic Growth in the west. Opening up trade routes is important. This actually includes greater trade with regard to sanctions and others as well. And so they are really serving this is a great benefit to all in the region. And they really are taking this in terms of being a source of stability. They are still in the gdp growth capability. They have done pretty well when we were at 2001 in 2002 and they have done reasonably well in some of that was propped up by the influx of our dollars and so forth. And when i was there in the 2011 in 2012 timeframe people were scared about what would happen to the economy. And i think its a challenge that they know that they have to address and this gets back to where they know they have to address this. This is something that they cannot fight on. Given the skills and the importance. Our withdrawal from the country in terms of these numbers has really kind of left this economic debt. But we know we need to do this and we know we need to reach out for this area hes reaching out not only to them but to the wider region and to be able to kind of say, okay even when it comes to saudi arabia, when it comes to china and the energy matters, its a key point that he emphasizes time and time again. And we saw when he was in moscow. So he knows if theres ever going to be longterm stability its going to be that. You have been mentioning the key relationships already and some of the interplay with pakistans own security efforts. Is there anything else in the region with regard to chinas role, anything else that we should understand that you think is particularly salient right now remapped. I have been in afghanistan for over five years and everyone says that this last year was most critical. But i must candidly say that is pastor has been fundamentally different than others. And there have been a number of strategic tips that have happened and a lot of folks couldnt have predicted that they present great promise and peril to the region and that is why there are these adjustments going on. And i think that there are issues with regards to pakistan and we have all been reading about this in the press. Donnie has really kind of pushed forward with trying to be able to have this undeclared state of hostility, having it in to be able to have a fundamental situation with them so that there can be greater economic issues. And so we didnt know if the u. S. Would be in the region either. And someone could recall this in 2014 or about 142 people were killed in a school 135 were children. It was very graphic. And in many ways the way it was described, i can see the reason why. It was pakistans 9 11 which woke them up with regard to their own Security Issues and borders that they have to address. See you can see pakistan take on many security challenges within their own country with regards to this with what the general alluded to. Its something that we have been encouraging them to do for a wild. And of course, the secondary effects with regards to afghanistan, which is another reason why the security situation has picked up at times. What you are also seeing is in regards to greater reach out. Especially with regards to the peace mission, things that we didnt anticipate what kind of pick up the momentum that they did. So there are all of these things are that are happening that are truly strategic in nature. And we do have a great strategic opportunity to make sure that they do not affect the past. We are going to transition the entire time from a government perspective and a regional perspective. The changes include being a commander in chief, being a wider regional perspective. We did not see that with president karzai this last several years. In its attempt to make sure that people understand that you cant talk about afghanistan and he really went out of his way and expended a lot of Political Capital to do that. And that includes taking a lot of kickback from the population and i think that now that people will say that includes driving the taliban into the Peace Process. Its going to take a long time and we shouldnt kid ourselves. The incident that we had finding out hes been dead for 2. 5 years will change the dynamic. Its going to drive some to the table with her at tendency to drive others quicker. And so we still have to work with that. But i really do think that this is a strategic opportunity to have a country in that part of the world that wants to be part of the International Community that has a Senior Leadership and wants to move forward and they are going to continue to need are some words. And thankfully we have 42 countries that are still tied into this and continue to provide either people or money. And i think for the International Donor peace, making sure that people understand what they do contribute to afghanistan, its making a difference every day and will continue to do that in the future and i look forward to working with you Going Forward. Her book is one of the very best on the subject. So i would like to turn things over to you. Thank you very much, gentlemen, for coming and for the analysis. Most of all for your commitment. You spoke of the importance of the National Unity government not just the arrangement that came out but more probably that commitment of politicians to progress as a country. Coming through the government itself is as much as it might be defined in some ways it is also in and handing over, that is supposed to be either endorse or dissolve this arrangement. Prior to that could you give us your reflection on what kind of preparation is being made for the parliamentary elections . What are the politics of that and also the impact on the Security Forces. In particular there has been another year of transition for the diminishment of u. S. Rules and that includes any preparations that will be put in place and security preparations of the juxtaposition of this coming together at the same time. If i could just raise two points on that. I think that there will be a lot of discussions in order to address that more directly with regards to the particular appointment of the election. What is interesting from my viewpoint is how they will actually be carried out from security perspectives and that will be fundamentally different from in the past. In the past this has been there to help to provide a lot of assistance and while the afghans have their own airlift it certainly is in comparison. So regards to the fight that they are taking on themselves its going to be a real test. And as we all kind of do our own analysis on this, i believe that that will be a milestone on them being able to stand up and do that from a political perspective and also from a security perspective very at i have been impressed as they are giving a specific event in order to kind of locked down in some ways. I mean that was very great event. I was very impressed with that. They were able to make sure that there was nothing that was threatening that from a security perspective. And i definitely dont think that that would be a problem for them being able to perform. How that works out politically . I wouldnt really want to guess on that. What i have seen over the past year has constantly surprised me in terms of the twist and turns with these sorts of events. Right now the date hasnt been set, of course that will be a political calculation on all sides. What i will be looking at is how the Security Forces are formed and how they prepare themselves for it. I dont think they can even talk about it until they figure out the election of warm and they Just Announced this the last couple of weeks that the doctor is taking that on, they had their first meeting about two weeks ago and i think that theyre going to work towards it for the next several weeks what that means when Parliament Comes back in and then they will decide that it will probably be in the spring or after the fighting season based on the security and i think youll make that decision for the next month or so. From a security perspective before this or after this we still have several months before that and again once the Security Forces, if its a specific event they have no issue doing the Detailed Planning to get ready to do Something Like that. And i think they have to get through election reform before they get anywhere on that would have the election. We will start taking two at a time and then turn to you again. Hello, i work for the bbc and i would like you to talk a little bit more about this. You also talked about how afghanistan is near and due dear to you. Im wondering what your most how to. Is there anything more specific about your experience there be remember as you are legacy . Thank you mike and general campbell, thank you very much for being a service to our country. [inaudible] and about over three years ago the admiral told congress about this Strategic Asset in many ways and that includes pakistans intelligence. Since then they have made it quite clear leading to this in the two plus year timeframe. And the question that i guessed all the time is how can you trust pakistan. My question to you is the same one that i get asked frequently. How can we trust pakistan . Are they for us or against us . And i have a second question related to that as well. In his recent book, he essentially missed the vote and general, the former head says the Intelligence System needs to be reworked. Are you satisfied that youre getting the right kind of intelligence or does this need to be reworked. We have to remember all four of those. Let me start with an easy one and what it has meant to me. I went back as a major general. My son is a sergeant in the army and he has been there twice. I have lost many friends in afghanistan and iraq as well. But what i think has impressed me the most is working with the afghan Security Forces, the men and women that continue to understand how important the role is to bring about change in afghanistan and they have no qualms about putting their life on the line to do that. Its a volunteer force and to see these young men and women in harsh conditions continuing to move forward every single day for the good of afghanistan, to see them dead a certificate to stand up in front of the crowd for afghanistan it makes you did goosebumps. They are very giving people. They take care of me and my men and women. When we have had green on flu attacks they have gone after that to make sure we can learn everything we can after that. And they understand the sacrifice of the men and women have endured. So when you work with a partner you dont want to fail and you want to make sure that everything that you do, do you put your best effort toward. That is the latest with the Senior Leadership and thats the way this would be after Afghan Police that ive dealt with on many trips here. Im honored to have the opportunity to continue to serve and i think that the people asked me all the time if its worth it. And i have to look appearance in the eyes and say that their son and daughters pay the ultimate sacrifice. And that it was worth it and i do believe in my heart that it has been worth it and that we have made a difference and that we will continue to make a difference. When you talk about the definition of hope and what that means to the Afghan People, it is about what the men and women here in the United States have done for the last 14 years. So they understand that and i think that if you ask any afghan on the street about this the Coalition Forces, you would find out that that is very positive and they certainly understand the sacrifice. There has speculation as to whether he was dead or alive, that sort of kept alive his presents. They talk about another engagement they had in the taliban is really in smaller groups the way they operate, all they had to have was the notion that they had a spiritual leader, a commander that was out there and now i think that knowing hes been dead for several years since about april 2013, that is going to cause people to think, what have

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