Ground but when you dont you have to sort that out politically i got elected to continue to do what i was doing the also to allow us to have enough time now all the states are emulating that around the country. [inaudible] [laughter] what is the question . [laughter] i am optimistic there is a growing consensus to push the views of the political system that people are getting free and frustrated that they see the need for a new message to go back to the place to be reform at the heart of what we believe and if you do that part then you will be carried by the American People not just one elected official. [laughter] we cannot wait until 2016 to change the direction of the country. It has to start now. [applause] one more question. I am a recent immigrant here. [applause] i am wondering what about the children of illegals . What about the finish there is education . Then they stay here or leave . Right now the law is the president doesnt have the executive power but it is unchallenged but unilaterally has suspended the period of time for the students you are describing but it doesnt offer a permanent of solution to this with a path to citizenship for those to break the law the children cannot be penalized for that im not sure youre talking about anybody that you know, you are under those suggestions that are discussed right now of the person that you described in that relationship over time to get a ged. Does that answer your question . Good luck. [laughter] [applause] on behalf of everyone here thank you. [applause]. They take into account, a stark site. We partner with our cable affiliates to explore the culture of various cities. The key entry into the city as the cable operator who then contacts the city. In essence is the cable industry bringing us there. 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Watch the city store at the cspan network to see where we are going next going next see her schedule at cspan. Org cities to her. Up next on cspan twos book tv rick santorum, nile gop president ial candidate talks about his book a blue collar conservatives, recommitting to america that works. In may of 2014 he spoke with tucker carlson, mr. Santorum argues that the working class has been abandoned by democrats and republicans. Rick santorum thank you for joining us some up the book. Theres a whole group of people in america that is being ignored, left behind, not included in the discussion for either party. Particularly though i would argue the Republican Party and thats ivory call blue collar conservatives, folks out there that are working people, most dont have College Degrees, folks that really still understand the value of work and the importance of work and responsibility. People understand the importance of family and faith, i believe in freedom and limited government. You say a lot of those are conservatives Republican Voters and in many cases they are not, all lot are not voting at all because they dont really see either party talking to them about concerns they have in trying to create an opportunity for them to live the american dream. You look at the democratic party, they talk about these voters a lot, in fact they talk about how they can get them certain things like free healthcare, subsidize health care, increasing their wages with minimum wage increases, a whole laundry laundry list of things that government benefits that they are trying to help, but of course most of these folks dont want to be on a government program. They want to work, they want jobs that are wellpaying jobs that create opportunity for them to support themselves and their family, that sounds like more of Republican Voters. Republicans the economic message, we have seen us the year, we talk about economists, were wrapped up in the rightness of our petition we talk about balancing the budget, cutting taxes for high income individuals to create jobs, and cutting government and particularly a lot of benefits if youre the average american listening to this economic plan you say, where my in that plan . What are you doing for me, people who are seeing their wages stagnating and not seen increases and thats really who this book is written for. For republicans to understand why they are not succeeding in getting these of boats. Host its perplexing because some of these voters seem winnable by republican so why wouldnt they be talking to and about workingclass voters. Guest because it really requires you to not say macro but micro, thats a very difficult thing for republicans, the id on economics is a rising tide lifts all the votes. I agree i agree re rising tide lifts all boats unless that boat has anr hole in it, then that rising tide is a very dangerous dangerous thing because when the tide rises your boat sinks and you are not in a very good situation. It depends on how high the titus. So you have a lot of people have holes in their boats to people who dont have skills and not having education, maybe having a drug or Substance Abuse problem, maybe having palms at home are difficult families, theres a whole laundry list of things and all of us have some holes in our boats. There are Many Americans who dont see this rising tide necessarily helping them so what i have done in this book, what i tried tried to do on the campaigns address areas where bluecollar america, where average americans can see some direct economic benefits and there some opportunity for them thats why talk a lot about specific sectors of the economy where large portions of these types of workers will find employment that is actually going to be family sustained employment in the areas of energy, manufacturing, and related industries. The focus on the other side because its not just economics, one of the problems is culture and families and communities breaking down, so we talk a lot about the importance of marriage and the family as a part of building that held the american dream. Host pres. Obama has talked a lot about income inequality and its rise, is he right and should republicans be echoing that . Guest the question still bear out the rhetoric, the fact is things havent changed, but they havent gotten better and i think thats really the issue. Relative to europe and canada the opportunity of mobility in america is not as good as it is in some of those countries. While the idea that there is this exploding gap of income equality is not the seri blown up by the fact, the fact is there are Serious Problems in america that need to be addressed and there are people in america who are not getting ahead. Instead of arguing the debate as to whether we are better or worse, lets just focus on the fact that millions of americans out there who are not seeing their quality of life improve and what can we do to address those. There there are things we can do, everything from looking at the economy, looking at the culture, looking at education. One of the things i talk about in the book is providing vocational education, career tracks other than crew tracks that lead to college. 70 of americans dont have College Degrees and that numbers and going to change much. What are we doing to provide the necessary skills and high to provide the necessary skills in high school, as well as Technical Schools after high school to provide the skills necessary for people to work with their hands as well as their head. Spee1 how did all this happen . What happened to happened to workingclass america to rule america hasnt the rising stock market is obviously on fire but it hasnt helped a lot of people in the interior of the country, what is it . Guest its a variety of things, the economy has changed we have a much more globalization, open market when that happens. Theres competition from overseas, and overall the argument is an illegitimate argument to be made that america does better when we have that competition from overseas and crashed on prices because prices are lower for everybody. Competition as we all know is a good thing, globalization is a positive but is also a negative if youre the person who is losing their job as a result of this competition. I make the argument that look im not against globalization, i understand the Global Economy but we have to be understanding of the impact case by case of agreements and other agreements we have to the american worker. I voted for a lot of tree grade agreements, i didnt vote for nafta because i thought it would be very devastating more than it would be helpful. In my opinion thats been borne out at least it hasnt improved the situation for america. We need to look at freetrade agreements and the fact that america is not being competitive because our taxes are higher, we have the highest tax in the world, we have a hostile Regulatory Environment in this country that has gotten worse under this administration, look at the litigation environment here, look at the educational gaps we have here, look at the training for manufacturing and those types of jobs. The role of government has played in making its on competitive is pretty profound. One of the reasons i wrote the book is because america manufactures can be competitive in a Global Economy if the government creates a level Playing Field visavis our competitors and so i have a laundry list of things that go through in the book that talk about how we can do just that. Host its early hasnt helped him america manufacturing, you almost never hear anybody complain about that, why . Guest because most people arent in manufacturing, they havent lost their jobs or are getting lower paid jobs. Its a very small percentage of americans are actually participating in manufacturing, substantially less than it was before. If you are professional or someone who works in Service Industry and youre looking at getting something for substantially lowerpriced because its been manufactured overseas, youre, youre happy to go to walmart. But as you know walmart is now very focused and we ran a bad campaign for the last year upon there trying to move things back here to america and try to encourage manufacturing here in this country. I think those were benefiting greatly like walmart from this globalization, and having these products made oversee, see the benefit of having these products made here. Theres a famous conversation a famous conversation that occurred between henry ford and Walter Reuther and the head of the union that ford had to deal with, he was walking through the plant and showed reuther a machine, he said this machine is going to replace how many of your workers. Ruth responded while thats great but how many cars as this machine gonna buy. So thats really the tension here that yes we can replace workers with foreign competition with automation, but you have to have wages to buy these products here in america. There is an understanding now that walmart and many others that we need to look to how we can be competitive. Im not looking to reap the game, if you look at the proposal in the book theyre conservative and orientation, theyre not big and subsidies, their tax cuts, regulatory cuts, regulatory reform, education which government is heavily involved in. Things that we can do all consists of what i called with conservative politics and conservative philosophy that give us the opportunity to be competitive. Host why not rigged the game, what why wouldnt the u. S. Government to all its cant help america even at the expense of other countries . Spee2 will first of all you have trade rules they have to deal with, we do deal globally so when it comes to trade laws thats one area where i dont get into that much because we start linking with trade laws to use have retaliatory efforts on the part of the other countries particularly china. So i think you have to be very careful that you structure it as a level Playing Field and you do a consistent with the trade laws that are in place and the limitation of what those countries can do to favor manufacturing of one country over another. Host you dont it mention immigration in the book, if you persistently high on unemployment you have usually dont have a labor shorter, why would you import 1 million lowwage workers from other countries into our country every year . How does that help . Guest i do talk about the importance of having a trained labor force but youre right, certainly with ilLegal Immigration, ilLegal Immigration is anything that we would do in my opinion that would solve the problem of ilLegal Immigration by bringing in any form of amnesty to these workers will flood label markets in this country with more lowwage workers. We have an immigration policy that is today fairly generous immigration policy and we need to in examine that policy and see how it impacts the american worker, where we are bringing people in from, what are what are the skill levels of the people we are bringing in, and settling factor that in when it comes to the labor markets of this country. I dont thing we do that candidly, we have done it in the past is something that immigration policy has dealt with throughout the course of American History so its not something we should be afraid to do, we should look at it from the standpoint of the people in this country making sure they have the opportunity. My focus is not an immigration policy per se, i think there is a point to be made but i specifically didnt want to deal with the whole concept of ilLegal Immigration because to me, look barack obama had two years as president of the United States with complete control, super majority control in the house and senate could have passed any illegal Immigration Law that he wanted and he never proposed a bill. To me that says this issue is not of political issue, it is a policy issue, it is a purely political issue. It its an issue that the republicans in the mama wants to use to drive a wedge between republicans and hispanics. So my position is we do not play that game. This is what my position has been, first and foremost let secure the border, lets take this problem of say 12 million Illegal Immigrants from this country and make it a finite problem, a resolvable problem. If you dont control the border to the point where you wont have another flood of it immigrants then you create another problem because you now have 12 more Million Immigrants in this country because you have granted amnesty to the existing group. From my perspective lets have a discussion, and i just did on ilLegal Immigration and how we mess that up to make that work for the country but leave the other immigration aside. Host no one admits to liking ilLegal Immigration lets just take the legal sigh, the democrats are for it because these people become citizens and become democratic voters, the republicans dont like it because they get rich from cheap labor. But why is it good for the average person working at walmart in the middle of the country why is it good for him to have to compete with someone from another country who just got here who will work for much lower wages, why second from question mark. Guest one of the reasons is Legal Immigration is a good thing is because our country isnt growing. We are now below replacement rate of the population in this country. I think there is something to be said legal immigrants do bring a vitality to this country and so Legal Immigration is still a positive thing, but for for immigration i dont think we would be growing. I think theres lots of room in america and if we want to be a country that continues to grow and expand that the positive thing, i think is a positive thing for market, so yes of these people competing for jobs yes, but they are also consuming. If they are working and buying products, i dont see i dont see that is necessarily a zerosum game if you people come here legally and do so in a way make sure that you are getting friday of workers and skill levels to be competitive. They are also consumers and i dont think thats a bad thing. Host so if im an employer and hire someone, and immigrants are not, and im paying minimum pay minimum wage, no one can live on that. So the slack is taken up by tax payers in social welfare programs that we have, the taxpayer pays for that person in effect to be able to live. Why should employers get what is in reality, subsidy for taxpayers. Guest will the cheap labor is labor based upon what the based upon what the labor brings. Its not we have made the decision that if someone is making a certain amount of money we are going to provide support for them, income support, food stamps or whatever the case may be. That is a decision that is separate from the business decision. I dont think were subsidizing cheap labor i think were basically saying that this is the value of businesses said that cheap labor brings to the enterprise and if we are driving up the cost of that by higher minimum wage laws which president obama is proposing, which i oppose, then what we are doing is driving the cost of labor up which will result in unemployment and loss of jobs. Host theres a study that came out this weekend that show the top 25 Hedge Fund Managers made for themselves about 29 billion last year. Twentyfive people made 29 billion when you when you hear that whats your reaction . Guest