Weve got to get the stories out so we can see the damage that we are doing and fix it. For more of this weekend schedule go to booktv. Org. Earlier today congressman adam schiff and senator mark warner discussed the challenges facing the intelligence unity. Congressman schiff serves as Ranking Member of the House Intelligence Committee and senator warner is the current vice chair of the senate Intelligence Committee. Held by the intelligence and National Security alliance and Armed Forces Communications and electronic association, this is 50 minutes. Everybody, welcome back. [applause] welcome back for day to of the summit. In keeping with yesterdays session with the hectic schedules and the numbers for the summit are notable. They have juggled their schedules this morning to make this happen. Unfortunately their schedules and match up so we will be speaking with each of them sequentially. Also, director of National Intelligence is required at a white house meeting and he wont be available. Deputy director National Intelligence sue gordon will speak to us in stead. It will be one of her first appearances in her new role. Let me reiterate the importance of your questions. Early submission of the questions using email questions at and tell senat summit. Org. For each of the guests, get the questions in early. Concise questions will be much appreciated. Let me reemphasize continuing opportunities to interact with the exhibitors and our appreciation for the sponsors of this event. At this point, i would like to introduce Suzanne Kelly who is the publisher of the brief who will moderate the discussion of congressman schiff and senator warner. Thank you so much. I appreciate being here. Welcome everyone. I hope you are geared up for a great conversation. I am. Im delighted to be in a situation where the house gets to go first. I want to complement imsa for recognizing the proper order of things this morning. I wonder went went on behind the scenes. Its fantastic to have you here. Was so much going on in the Intelligence Community, so much showing up in soundbites on television on a daily basis , so much politics back and forth. When you take a day and sit back and look at all the things we are dealing with, security clearance, an investigation into russia, the 702 coming up for renewal, how do you prioritize what you think is the most important. Well, it is an enormous challenge this year because in addition to all of our day Job Responsibilities of oversight, we also have the rush investigation layered on top, and its not as if the other issues went away. When i think back, and i think all of us have felt a time distorting effect of this year were things that happened just yesterday seemed like it mustve been a week or month ago, but nonetheless, i think we have done a very good job not only juggling these competing responsibilities, but also compartmentalizing our differences. To give you a very graphic example, the chairman and i have our differences over the rush investigation, but we decided we were going to compartmentalize the oversight work that the committee does and not lik let our differences interfere with what we had to do in terms of our oversight, with our authorization responsibilities , and so we produced, after numerous hearings and reviews of documents and interviews, a very bipartisan intelligence authorization act that allocates the funding levels and provides the protections that we need in terms of peoples privacy. It passed overwhelmingly. That doesnt get the same attention as some of the twists and turns in the rush investigation but its quite central to our responsibility. 702 will be another challenge. We have a pretty good track record when you look at how we accomplish the reform of the metadata program, how we passed information sharing legislation. We have a history to build on. I am confident we will get through the 702 debate. Are you saying at works much better than it appears to on network and cable news everyday. I think a lot of the work that needs to get done does get done and doesnt get the same attention and is obviously of vital importance. I view our committee as having perhaps the most difficult oversight job in the congress because when you serve on one of the other committees and we youre doing oversight, if youre on the Transportation Committee and the agencies come in and theyre talking about highspeed rail and what a great project it is and how well its going and how its on budget and on time and all the rest of the, there are any number of outside stakeholders who can hold those witnesses accountable and provide information to the committee and say thats not true and this is a right and you need to ask these questions. In our arena where most of our hearings are in closed session, we dont have the outside stakeholders to the same degree, able to give us input, insight, help us to ask the right questions or know when we are not getting a complete answer. Its a very challenging oversight response ability but i think we are doing a pretty good job. That sound like a very serious, maybe not flaw, but default in the system may have to overcome because you have incredible responsibility with oversight of these programs that are constantly being judged by the American People. When they hear details about what the Program Includes and what it doesnt, its very difficult to get the right information out there. How do you handle that when you dont have those outside people you can go to to bring that level of expertise. One of the most important decisions we make is when we hire our staff. We bring people in who have experience in the agencies who do know a lot of the right questions to ask and have the background and expertise to help us with our oversight. We also depend on the professionalism of people working within the i see. Both on the government side and the contractor side to be candid with us, not just in answering our questions but to bring us problems when they occur. I think that has by and large happened so we benefit from the professional workforce that we deal with. At the same time, human nature is human nature. People dont necessarily like to volunteer their problems and people become vested in the way theyve approached issues or programs and so we need to continue to challenge the agencies to do better and to continue demand accountability in terms of what were paying for certain programs, whether something we been doing the same way for long time continues to be justified, whether we are getting the kind of results and setting the kind of metrics, so we have to be demanding but i think we benefit from a very capable staff and the professionalism within the icy. Do you feel like youre getting the cooperation you need from the people you are overseeing. Yes. There have been very few times where i have felt like we were getting this information. There are certainly times when i have disagreed with the briefer or their conclusion or opinion or question the underlying facts that are being presented, but its not a situation where i think people are deliberately trying to mislead us. There are times i think when we have a fresh perspective, not having become wedded to a certain approach, that can be very helpful and constructive and im sure from the witnesses point of view they may view it differently and think we dont have anywhere near the experience and time on task that they do which is certainly correct, but it seems to work at the end of the day. Obviously in this kind of an era where we are dealing with new challenges in the form of terrorism and asymmetric warfare and also information more with capable adversaries, we all need to Work Together to make sure we have the capabilities we need to defend the country. What you think the Biggest Challenges are right now . You wake up and read the same newspapers and websites of the rest of us do. When you see whats happening with north korea, were trying to prepare and make things are in place for another election, youre dealing with federal levels and state levels and possible attempts to try to manipulate messaging, how do you prioritize these things. Its very difficult because in our tendency, like most institution is to focus on the most immediate problem which is not necessarily the biggest problem or the most longterm problem, or the problem that requires you to be able to allocate resources in the way that builds over time. Im astounded with the number of things going on that so little attention is being paid to the fact that rucker is going to fall soon, we hope, but we have the successful retaking of mosul. The last major urban holdings of the socalled caliphate are about to disappear which is an important success on the battlefield. But its gotten almost no attention because of Everything Else going on. Doesnt mean that the war against isis is over or even nearing conclusion, or no longer a threat. We always worry about how its going to impact us your home. We need to see that thread drawn in that connection made. Do you think thats happening enough in the news. Sure. On korea for example, people have a very vivid sense of the threat when they look at these missiles can now reach anywhere in the United States and maybe they can carry a Nuclear Payload and if they cant today maybe they can tomorrow. In terms of the isis threat, okay, great news that the physical caliphate is disappearing, but what about the virtual caliphate that in many respects holds much more danger to americans in the sense of people being radicalized online in carrying out attacks in the name of isis here in this country. But, i do think, in terms of the two threats that are in the news these days, the threat from north korea and the threat from russia, people are quite vividly aware of the nature and dimension of those threats. How we will confront them though, we still have a lot of work to do. Let me just ask you and then well get to some of the questions from audience members. And your surprise people that the old adage of where you stand compared to where you sit as residents in the sense that members of the Judiciary Committee which have been poor oversight role have one perspective. Members of the Intel Committee have a slightly different perspective. Its not that we dont appreciate the Civil Liberties and civil rights issues. We certainly do. More than the Judiciary Committee does appreciate the intel benefit and the significance of what the program does but in the committee of course we lived daytoday with the understanding of how important it is to our National Security. And also i think having a vivid understanding of how the Program Works is important and what the evidence has been in terms of have there have been the problems with the execution and have there have been any intentional abuses of it and also with respect to proposed reforms, what is the real downstream consequence of back . Does the criminal justice model speaking and Court Approval for example to do a uas urchin person searches that really write it . What happens if the u. S. Person of identity you are searching is a potential victim of a perpetrator or a place, not a person or an address. So having an intimate understanding of the Program Helps in terms of what we think is a viable reform. And abuse of power is a question for people who dont understand exactly how the Program Works. Abuse of powers were the congressional oversight comes into play better you confident with the way the system is running right now with your ability to oversee when there are cases where someone is misusing certain aspects . I do feel. Confident about our ability to oversee this. I hope its not Wishful Thinking but i dont think it is and its not just because of the work we are doing nor just because of the fact that the agencies do come in and selfreport when they have problems but also we have a tremendous value by the fisa court by the fact that the fisa court itself is a very rigorous review of these programs and where they find problems you know they often will suspend an effort until they get the results they want or they will change with what the program can do until they get the results they want. We will have access to those and the concerns raised by the fisa court so i think the combination of what the court is doing in oversight of what we do in our oversight about the agencies do in their Self Reporting is pretty comprehensive. And working. And working. Let me keep good on my promise and take some of these questions. I worked a lot of the audience is thinking oversight resources, authorization and the question about election security. Do you believe the United States government is doing enough to prepare for another cyber attack against our election given elections have responsibility what role should the Intelligence Community play . I dont think we are doing enough and coming from a state where such a powerful Tech Knowledge e. Industry when i talk with tech experts and talk about the murder she married in the elections they tell me and i have no reason to believe that they that the systems are not impregnable. They are vulnerable and i have felt for quite some time well before this past election that any state or voting jurisdiction that doesnt maintain a paper trail is negligent in this day and age. So you know i think theres a lot more that we need to do and theres a lot more that we need to understand. I think the vendors of these Voting Machines need to be much more transparent with the government about the systems with the software so they can analyze vulnerabilities. The states have to be willing to accept the governments help that is being offered and the government and the i see has to be more transparent with the states. States still dont know if they were victims of russian hacking. We have not shared that information with the states and i think thats crazy. I know my colleague mark warner has been very outspoken on this and properly so. I hope that we will have a hearing in our committee, an open hearing where we can bring in some of the state elections people to talk about the vulnerability that they feel in terms of them for structure and the need for us to be more forthcoming with them but we learn each and every day, today there was a report by symantec within the last 24 hours about the vulnerability of our power grid and the fact that outside hackers have been able to get into the operational parts of those systems and not just probe some of the outlying parts of the systems and those systems are far more huma role than people expected. We have been talking about it for years but we havent done a lot to protect the infrastructure. A lot of studies in a lot of meetings. The big area that fell out of the cyber information sharing bill was the effort to deal with Critical Infrastructure. That was one area of there was simply too wide a gulf between the parties in terms of what the federal governments role in protecting Critical Infrastructure so it is largely set by private industry. Now they are obviously a lot of intensive incentives to improve their security but whether those incentives are proper is an open question. I will say the fact that there are still vulnerability doesnt mean that nothing is being done. What it does mean in some cases is that this is a very asymmetric field where the advantage is our all on the offensive because those on offense only get to find one open door impose a defense need need to bar every window in lock every door. Thats inherently challenging and its a particularly inviting field for adversaries because there is always going to be possible deniability. We have good attributions but her adversaries know that we are never going to make public the full capability we have two attributes so they will always have some level of deniability. Thats a good point. We have got some Great Questions here. I know we are running out of time and you have another point may you need to get to this morning that left me ask one more question about the cyber workforce. What is congress doing tube billed the federal private work or specs how can i see compete with private companies to attract personnel with the right training . How can they pay them what they can make especially in the state you are coming from . Is the Federal Reserve corps a real possibility and your future first of all we cant compete financially Silicon Valley. Some of the bright people start in Silicon Valley with salaries higher than yours or mine is certainly higher than mine. Publicly mine too. Im sure thats true so we are benefited by the fact that a lot of People Choose to work in the ic because they feel a sense of patriotism and calling and it draws them to that band. A lot of patriotic people feel the same call to work within the earth that are serving the ic so thats tremendously beneficial but we do need to continually work to recruit people. We need to continue working on diversifying the ic workforce. We also i think do need to explore creative ways to bring people in from industry for period of years and then have them go back in the industry. Yeah ive heard that a lot. There would be a great benefit to that. Their great models for that. Some brilliant people are going to nextgeneration energy technologies. They bring the knowledge they have to the private sector, they go back to the private sector. There are obviously difficulties and complications in the ic environment is nothing that cant be overcome and i think we do need to look t