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This is half an hour. Here the author dreamland, the true tale of americas opiate epidemic. Joining us. The points it were present trump is now saying some type of announcements forthcoming what does that say about the situation abroad . This topic is finally getting the recognition its deserved. The problem has been percolating for 20 plus years. Its a deadly struck problem weve ever had in the country. I think well find that last year 60000 plus people died, thats more than the loss in the vietnam war. So finally is getting the kind of response. Well see what the response is. So far i havent heard the president say anything about what the response will be. The Christie Commission because Chris Christie leads it, they came out with a variety of proposals i thought were good. They were not original. People have been talking about it for a long time. Its important they get put on paper and have the of the administration. Assuming will have some final report soon, maybe next week. As far as what the federal government is currently, whats the best way to respond in light of what might happen. What we need to understand is more got into the story i realized its a story that grows out of isolation. One isolation is isolated response. For a long time in the country we had one response to addiction and that was a jail cell or prison cell. Lawenforcement has a robust role in this problem to play. There has to be far greater Treatment Options for people, both whether overdosing at the er level and then after that. We have saturated whatever capacity. But her prevention is important as well. Its the Community Response. The federal government cant to a lot of that. It boils down to the local folks. This is where it hits most heavily. Thats whats being hammered in all this. I think the federal governments best response simply to facilitate and make it easier for those folks to do their job and find ways to Work Together so Public Health and lawenforcement combined. That kind of thing is what the federal governments role out to be. The author dreamland, take a look at the opiate response. If you want to ask questions you can call in. You can give us a call, all others. Lets hear from President Trump from last week talking about what he plans to do about the situation. Here he is. We will be doing that next week. By the way, you know thats a big step. People have no understanding of what you just said. Thats a very big statement. A very important step. To get to that step a lot of work has to be done. Will be doing the next week. So thats President Trump. In light of this announcement the headlights that he blindsided his advisors taking a look at this. But it seems complicated teeth event fashion Something Like that. I think as part lawenforcement, part Public Health, Part Community resources. One problem were finding his foster children explosion and foster kids because so many parents are addicted and unable to care. Those numbers would be greater if it would not for 70 grandparents stepping up taking care of their grandchildren. Shout out to the grandparents. Theyre doing an amazing job under horrible circumstances. We have an even worse problem if it were not for them. I talk about opiates and particularly harrowing and when youre writing about that, youre right about the United States of america and what would become as a country, it touches so many aspects of our lives. That realization or approach is the best one. We tried the unilateral a approach. I think there needs to be more combined, Cohesive Community approach. A lot of this has to do with the destruction of community. Wesley areas where people dont interact or the rust belt areas where jobs have left him people find themselves debilitated for that reason. Our first call is from new york. Rob, youre on. Caller good morning and thank you for the conversation. I see a correlation between though. Crisis enough is afghanistan and what happened in vietnam with the same problem. Do see that as potential cause of this whole thing. I dont. But thanks for the call. The idea what youre suggesting is that we have lots of heroin in America Today and we have a war going on in afghanistan for the last 14 years and so therefore there the major producer of heroin in the world. So that heroin is coming in, thats not true. The harrowing coming into the United States for the last 20 or 30 years has mostly come from latin america. For many years it was columbia on the eastern side of the United States and mexico on the west. Now its virtually all mexico. That stands to reason, there its business reasons why thats true. Heroin is a commodity. Its prices reflected in how far it has to travel. Faster cross an ocean can be far more weaker and diluted. So, i think its important to understand in our country, the harrowing coming into our country almost all of it comes from latin america. And the vast majority is mexico. For someone who is impacted by this, trenton new jersey. Yes, i have two people who take opiates and when they cut back by two thirds and now the person instead of functioning five days a week is in bed five days a week to maybe gets a couple of hours. Another person has opiates and ptsd medicines they can take both. So either they will die from a mental problem or from opiates. Thanks for your consideration. And i believe bill bennett addresses focus on the illegal fentanyl i think that would be appropriate. Guest thanks for your call. I think part of the response weve had is that were swinging that pendulum little too hard in the case of some individuals in the country who suffer from chronic pain and may need that. The problem is, for a long time we prescribe very little of this. Then we got a big push a notes pain pills for everybody. Theres a happy medium somewhere where we need to nestle. What it involves or what it has been lacking is healthcare in which people are treated as individuals. Therefore you devise an individual response. Pain management was heading that way in its early days in the 70s and 80s treating every person is a holistic being. So you are treated with marital counseling and counseling a better diet and exercise. What happened was the pills took over entirely now you have people who do have a very high daily dose of this to take. My feeling is a lot might benefit from scaling back. The problem is, we want to drastically cut back and lay people hanging. Thats cruel and counterproductive. I think this is where the approach has been lost in flailing without much vision and direction. Host lets hear from a medical professional. Caller hello. Im an anesthesiologist and ive been in practice for many years. The classical teaching that we are taught is that for an acute situation in other words a patient of surgery you give us much Pain Medicine as you can so the patient will be relieved. And theres no dependence for anyone in that situation. In my opinion just like your speaker says, a happy medium must be reach. The addictive personality, im sure has issues. I would agree. For a long time people come in for routine surgery who go home with paper which is going to list two or four days, they go home with 30 days worth of pain pills, narcotics, or maybe a refill. You multiply that by millions and millions of americans across the country, every year for the last 20 years and what you create is those drugs leak out into the black market they are used to access by the people who they were prescribed and sometimes those folks get addicted. Theres a massive amount of prescribing going on for 20 plus years in this country. A lot of it is because people were thinking it didnt matter how many pills you sent home with the patient after surgery it wasnt going to be addictive. The longer you use these drugs, 90 100 days is is those excessive things that need to be reconsidered i guess. The front page story takes look at governor christie and his role in the situation talks about amis recent meeting and they invited ceos with the promise of good Network Opportunity were 17 pharmaceutical met with President Trumps Opiate Commission they pitch what they called a Publicprivate Partnership to address the crisis. What you think about the idea. I think they have a role to play. Honestly, people ask was the government doing about this . My feeling is governments been doing a lot. The only people fighting this for 20 years were corners, jailers, et cetera. I think theres a more robust, maybe expensive role for the pharmaceutical companies to play. I dont think you can leave them out. I dont understand how that would be helpful. Basically, i think the Community Response is a Community Response. You have to bring in people who have been silent up until now. Because whether its legislation or lawsuits. I believe they produce these products. They do have a legitimate medical use their valuable medical tools so we need to figure out the proper role for them. That role should not be in every medicine cabinet in america. Host on our line now mike is on. Good morning. In my view the inclusion of Law Enforcement as part of the solution makes things worse, much worse. Isnt the drug prohibition alcohol prohibition causing the same social problems for the same reason . High crime, gangs, youre putting into the hands most violent people billions of dollars. Well, its hard for me to look at the story, i understand the argument. I lived in mexico for ten years and i saw mexican Drug Trafficking up close. I understand that its true that drug prohibition has fed the coffers of the cartels in mexico. Its hard for me to see how this story would argue for legalizing drugs. This happens because of legal drugs. The entire story in which the whole thing starts because theres a massive fire hose a potent legal trucks blasted at the american public. Its a classic story. When i lived in mexico i believe our drug to mansfield these problems. My feeling after doing this book i came to a different conclusion. The problem has to do is supply. Theres a reason why all calls the most abuse drug. This treatment available almost anywhere. The same is true here. Its a story that starts with legal drugs being blasted at the american public. When you do that you run into problems. That doesnt mean theres not a better way. There is a better way of doing it that would not lead to what we have seen. But its hard to see how this idea and story, our opiate epidemic would argue strongly for legalizing more. I think thats were going to marijuana. We need to be very cautious and humble about legalizing a very potent drug. I think their strong arguments to be made and i made this in an oped that we need to go slowly and do what we did after prohibition which is regulate potency and do the same with marijuana and not just say all pot is equal. Its not anymore. So i believe in that when i lose lived in mexico, but, i think humility, we dont how to do this well. Maybe we need to take it slowly and an abundance of caution. Ive used opiates for many years with back problems ive had on them for the last five years on battling cancer. Now they tell me that i have to go, they cant write my medicine i have to go to Pain Management and they will do a spinal injection and maybe give me some physical therapy of this other stuff. Im in my 70s. I have no addiction. I took before these last started passing i would maybe only take my medicine once a week or two weeks. But since you change their law i have to take it everyday and heavy doses because when i go to the dr. I have to pass a urine test in all this. Please opiate crisis is a heroin epidemic and you refuse to say that on the news media. I know people see it all the time. Its heroin and that no, it is not the lortab pills that youre going after. Youre doing it because the legal people you can go after, the illegal are in more trouble. And a dangerous idea. I dont know how many people prescribed but it was very clear that eagerness supply of pills people dont just jump rarely from from one in oculists drug to hear with it is a progression something to get your mind around the ideas of the essentially the you would want to seek out something as potent as fentanyl. A related story this week of representative from the drugs are bad decision of a opioids . But the guy did not know about. And american Politics Today if he cannot seek to do the bidding of the pharmaceutical. In those politicians with the ec is the confluence of the pharmaceutical industry power and monday and influence and money with the high end at understanding of what that creates. Creating massive addiction. Because it started that excess supply. The manufacturer of heroin the poppyseed is stirred into opium turned into heroin but it is usually grown in afghanistan and burma. In this case it is not all grown in afghanistan or burma. A lot of that heroin from that neck of the world goes to russia or other countries it does not come here. Our problem stems from mexico largely. And that is a good question to ask your policy maker. But what the requires we have long believed what had been resolvable to have a deeper and more new ones relationship with mexico. And to recognize it needs ourr influence it does not help when we talk about mexico to beyond the number of years off and on that will lots of heroin from crossing. End of copy that is a good idea i am not sure how that works but of course, now fentanyl is a very different draw up rugged has democratized heroin. They used to come from for five mexican states but now it could be made in hong three your nebraska or north dakota or a candid that. Fentanyl makes the argument far borer complicated. I am registered nurse of 36 years. I have watched the progression of this. Two months ago my grandson at 27 years of age decided he would have a taste of whatever hisfe friends were offering which happened to be o p. M. And fentanyl. Opium. He died in they could not revives him. It was a huge mass. My issue is we have cut back funding on the da and the research. But these Major Pharmaceutical Companies make their own compound and is more toxic than the combination between fentanyl and opium. We have to stop you because we are running short on time. Ng this is a federal response. With the approach of the eddy date to be better funded would be a good idea. They have beennc fighting it the longest. Long before anybody thought it was a problem. But funding for research we have to expand it sounds like there is this money for studying this or how the brain works or what proper response. Looking at the federal response. T that would be part of the federal part. Dreamland is the date of the book. Thanks for your time. Great to be here. And should be wrested from a murder. With the vietnamese women whose child was burned by napalm by american planes. But then they have to use the tactic of disruption and the american people. But to except their offer because every time you see the president of the United States you learn something. It is important that i can be there for you. And everything i see is important. Your argument case 1512 04 jennings verses rodriquez. Mr. Chief justice this court has stressed the but the of the Constitutional Authority to establish the rules and aliens are allowed to enter and states. 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