This is really a book, i thoroughly enjoyed it this weekend. I was broken and since most conservative writers equaling conservatives in general life and having a wikipedia phase that makes him a little bit crazy i was pleased i guess to see that you dont have a Wikipedia Page most conservatives like me, you can go through either and read your Wikipedia Page and say this is a bunch of garbage, no thrilled to have you on. I was thrilled to have you. But we do want to have you both the radar your work at white house really exposing similar things going on the last several years in the white house and on through today, thats continuing to be a passion appears. The white house tessier something i started in 2010. I had been a mainstreamed reporter for many years. In fact i was so good at hiding my political sympathies and nobody except maybe a Close Friends of the media i was a conservative. Host maybe thats why you dont have a Wikipedia Page. And im thankful for that. Also because i didnt have to put my age on there. In addition to whatever else. I was so successful that i was once offered a job and was yelled at by fleischer for asking questions that i never wouldve asked, what little did i realize that i probably agreed with everything they were saying. Something both of us know is much less so. In 2010 i started this and the idea was to do accountability in president obama and im credited with the white house payless a reporter and all through most of the presidency eight held him to standards and pointed out things both objectively and from a conservative standpoint. Today with President Trump, sometimes insane way to second, what are you doing here. But also say that the media may be treating him unfairly for certain respects. Amount still continues. And sometimes people do take offense that it seems to be a hostile question when one of the most trial lawyers i learned so much from him in a three day seminar he was selecting a jury and you get an answer you dont like something you have to jump across and shake his hand. That guy has now given you a chance to explain something that struggling people. So, unfortunately you seen it, similar times today people ask questions and theyre not going to give you a chance to explain but i felt like you certainly gave been in a fair treatment in the book. Like to get to the book, and you start off with the prologue as the rebel there you go through in your quotes from the family, who all in the family did you talk to . Guest attacked all of his siblings. He has two sisters and a younger sister that its a very closeknit family. He goes home to richmond even with this crushing schedule at the white house and still now, they adored him. 95 and now 96. I just saw him at an event somewhere. His status on top of things. Hes as sharp as a whip. Is able to remember little vignettes from the 40s about how he was drafted as a professional baseball player but it didnt pay like it does the other they opted to 75 trying to get them to, but he didnt report for 75 there hoping they would so they cut him. He and his son were joking that he was a holdout. Back then, the country just came out of the depression and it was a more stable job to work with the phone company, thats where he ended up. Potential lesters baseball career ended in infancy with this dad. You get into chapter two, chapter two seem to expose the guy that is getting into politics, tell us how he got going into politics. He was at Virginia Tech where he went to college and he was involved in a few things, eventually he decided to run for student body president. He wasnt the next in line, even the there is an establishment every organization theres a group and expected succession. So he was the rebel. The book is called i was the rebel but the fact about him is that his rebelliousness is always for something, is fighting for some particular cause. Its not a thoughtless Rebel Without a cause. Theyre trying to get the students more involved there were changes going on in Virginia Tech. He decided to challenge the orthodox and tried to represent the average man. One thing he did was show a bit of his political acumen early on and he put a woman on his ticket. To bed with him. That was done because they had worked together and respected each other enormously. Today i spoke with her for the book and she speaks glowingly about him and said back then he was fighting for the same things hes fighting for now. They worked well together. The thing is Virginia Tech just recently had admitted women. There are more women in the electorate of the campus. That helped and he defeated and became student body president for his senior year. It sounds like is very much actively involved in issues quite influential in the things that she did. Susan oliver said that as a woman she felt that he empowered her entirely and they read about that about how he let her do her thing, was not overbearing and had complete confidence. This was early 1970s, not a time went women are participating in a lot of Student Government. What i thought was interesting was steve bannon and trump as they both had successful marriages the president seems to be a very successful marriage now. And there i want to see the president last night and their melania was in the little kid said you look like an angel. But a lot of people take that with regard to bannon and the president , they must not be good in working with women because theyve had failed marriages, it is a bit of a dichotomy there because both steve and the president seem to work very successfully with women. Youve done the research and talk to the women he has worked with. From what you send the book he works with them well. Did you find any women he worked closely with that he had problems and overall negative opinion. Jose no, i did not see that. Even today breitbart theres many women working on the staff. When he was in the white house i think is key a was julia, a conservative woman who work for him at paper brought into the white house and i think shes still there. I will say shes the brains behind then that she helped him a lot as a key assistant. He still close to his first wife, susie and one other times i spoke of the book was just the two of us that his first wife had been there with his daughter and i have been hanging out at washington is so forth, i just didnt pick up, he can be a rough guy and hell admit this he has a bit of a temper, but i dont think it discriminates male or female, if anything this southern gentleman would refrain a little bit from fire in a way. Somebody thats driven, always the rebel but, they seem to be much more forgiving forgiving but they will immediately tell you when they disagree and think youre on the wrong track. But he can be very blunt with me when we disagreed, but ten minutes later thats not supposed to be carried on because were moving on, or be on the. Where people told me as its not personal so much, its about the job. Hell get very blunt accomplishd on. His her high standards he works endlessly, theres one time when is trying to get touch they said try him at one in the morning because then hes easier to get. He doesnt sleep much, he works hard and he expects set of the people he would say like my kid is sick or, thats your problem. He can be tough and maybe unreasonably tough but he is. Some of my communication three or four in the morning hundred that is something, they both work was that i was had a great rapport, in fact they never said a lot when andrew was around. He has opinions but surprisingly, i had an army scholarship, i was in the army for years, bannon finished and got his degree at Virginia Tech. He has no military commitment, he has some Great Potential offers coming because he did so well in Student Government and he goes and joins the navy. What was the purpose of that . Thats a good question. His friends at Virginia Tech were surprised, his family said that he had an offer from Philip Philip morris they do a lot of things but it is different i had major off of their. What happened is they had been raised with a sense of duty, his parents were very traditional, fairly liberal oldstyle democrats. Host and thats probably the catholic background. This is the first catholic to have a great shot at being president. So, a lot of catholic families, whether republican or democrat is hes one of us. So did you get that feeling from the family . Guest while that sense of service. Kennedy had been in the navy and kennedy was a big carol abandons some maybe there was some of that. But his father had wanted to be in the military and there was a small technical issue. He was unable to serve. There is a sense of fulfilling this mission to the country. I dont want to send to corny but that was a large part of his motivation, what his father wanted to the family. Its also a sense of adventure, he was a fighter when he was young. It did surprise a lot of people, but it fit with the way he was raised in 2008 we saw the worst of Goldman Sachs. On restraining greed come to the forefront. But this seems to be such a mutually exclusive person, heres a guy who would work for Goldman Sachs and has the reputation, i know too many people that set them, on the other hand he walks away from the and joins the navy, and. Guest he was in for six years. Host apparently he enjoyed the time and was reliable. There is a group he was part of that was supposed to help in emergencies come up with solutions. Will he was in washington sr. People bannons attitude is to do it now. His superiors could get out of line a little bit but he could get things done. When he was in washington theres a task force formed by the senior people to figure out a way through the bureaucracy to get things done. Bannon was involved in that. Per help that help draw bannon and trump back together again. Similar personalities, do it now, sayed, sometimes trump might move too quickly but definitely a similar personali personality. Host chapter six talks about generation zero, can you explain that . What caused you to name it that . Guest generation zero was the name of a movie bannon did. It talked about the 2000 and crash. The idea was that the future was being robbed, americans given all of the wealth loss in the dead those being accumulated, the generation that exists now which is sort of the millennials in younger people when you look at the deficit we will have nothing left. So where was he working in 2008 when the crash happened . When the crash happened he was still out in california doing his own business he left Goldman Sachs long time ago. He went out to california and was first out there to drum up business but then he formed his own firm. Increasingly he got into documentaries and making his own filmmaking. Initially made one about reagan in 2004. In 2008 he made other documentaries. What he wanted to chronicle was how the elite got off scott fr free. So the beginning of his political opposition to the establishment. And that was the head of Goldman Sachs, plenty of ties. He lets the Lehman Brothers go because he couldnt stand them. But hank paulson, he got into the moviemaking business. Where did he get the title, generation zero . Guest weve been talking about generation x and y, this is the generation that may have nothing left if the debt continues to build and the economy meanders along. Were seeing a revival. As you know there is a great parallel there that were 20 trillion in debt, when you look at. Guest i think it mightve been part of at t. He put his money away for years. Traditional saving cool like a regular fellow. He had a little bit of money stuck away from retirement. He hoped one day to maybe pass that on and then all of a sudden the over lending that occurred, the prophet motive. Host you said it profoundly affected him and he saw his dad lose so much. Guest yes, he lost all this money. He felt like what happens to people like my dad while others run into hank paulson and say help me out and give me a break here. Meanwhile, theres nobody to help someone like his dad. Host its ironic to see all the comments from those antagonists abandon that he say hes about nothing but money, but you reach your book and start tracking his life, his life is not been all about money. You talk about a place he had on long island, he had a chair in a, and they call it sparta. Guest is funny, people see this as an inconsistency but he did go to Goldman Sachs and made himself a multimillionaire. Part of that was growing up in a middleclass family. I asked him about that and he said the money give me the freedom to do the things they wanted. Not someone who is terribly concerned about material possessions. Not only is he all about money that he might be a white supremacist, that is not going back to college, it seems like he gave a lot of foreshadowing. He goes out when nobody was heaven women as a co runner and the election, yet they are running mates i may be a little foreshadowing for his embrace of sarah palin. He could see such greatness. He wanted her to be president. Heat she would be the one to stick to her guns. Unlike you, so many people come saying one thing and maybe believing in them forget about it. Once theyre here they get caught up in specialinterest. But what youre saying, in terms of people who talk to them personally, there is nobody i could find this said he was racist, antisemitic. Youve if you look at breitbart most of the Senior Leadership is jewish. It becomes difficult. Host and larry the great job but thats larry and breitbart. Guest and done race as well, this wasnt someone i interviewed but a liberal Senior Executive in hollywood named jeff came out set i work with van and for years. I have to say even if it hurts me out here in hollywood, the man is not a racist. The one charge people put against him is seal of the Comment Section breitbart to have too many people with white supremacist views. The way he viewed that is that is the Comment Section, hes not great to regulated, they do regulate it now. Your go in there and its a tough place. When you actually look at the stories, they dont have racist content to them. Theres a New York Times article in august that said breitbart is not the outright as it is perceived today. So on a personal level there is nobody i found the felt he was racist. His grew up as a liberal and his mother grew up as a liberal and several people said she was very vocal about africanamerican rights about a time when people that want to hear much about that. That was also part of the thinking and upbringing. Some of us are greatly influenced by outspoken moms. I talk to people that think you get to washington a people bribing new. Seems to be the most emasculating efforts come from something called being a team player. Youre awesome, incredible, youre going to change the world. We need you to be a team player. And after a few years, ive been a team player, i was said were going to do these things. When he finally pushed back in we misjudged you. But that seems more than threats, more than promises, that team player intimidation. It seems to have disengage somebody from the things they came here to do. Hello steve sees that. In a humane economy, that was an interesting title for a chapter, but thats where it gets into his feelings and he sees how it affects everybody. Skin color doesnt matter what people are getting her pain inhumane economy. Its deeply troubling to him. I think you had good quotes in there. As you and i were talking about asked about my reading that. Discussed about caring for money, he wants to turn the Republican Party into a workingclass party. He feels the democrats are beholden to identity politics. He thinks they could to give the worker class and bring them into the Republican Party. Ironic because people criticize him. But a lot of his ideas he wants his focus not so much on Corporate America those are the lobbyists here in washington, but protecting the middle class. His agenda is to go out and convince average workingclass people the republicans have the best policy for them. He believes republicans need at least 30 of the africanamerican votes. Sometimes he gets a little dramatic. Thats his agenda, he said until we have the black workingclass and hispanic workingclass getting high valueadded jobs we have failed as a society. Citizens first. We dont leave you immigrants in this country are those that do not come with a set of skills. Thats where his concern of immigration comes in. The first time you talk about limiting immigration your racist. His view is that you need to support people in this country without unlimited immigration. Hes against the large number of people coming in taking jobs from those who are in the middle class whether theyre black, hispanic, or white. Host candidate trump got an invitation to come to africanamerican churches and he seemed to be right at home. Guest he did. Bannon does believe that trump believes things. If you talk to the press are democrats. Thinks that trump shares his ideology, which is why there still very much alike. Trump has been working with construction and he feels like he connects to average people because hes been on job sites and talks to people. So this idea that theres a white supremacist agenda is wrong. Bannon was speaking an organization to attract black entrepreneurs into the Republican Party. This is the second time in the last few weeks hes address this group. Republicans still going to africanamerican neighborhoods and give speeches and say heres why conservative principles will help you. Bannon believes everybody wants the same thing, successful families and jobs, and thats where he thinks republican message needs to be. Go into the poor neighborhoods and talk to people and say how has that welfare state time fee. How are things going . Heres alternative. I think its very poorly understood when people throughout the white supremacist label call everybody a racist. To have any other quotes. Guest up a lot of quotes in here it directly contradicts something we heard about obama say constantly. Businesses were nation of citizens not a nation of immigrants. So now we have startac like citizens come first. Pol