Times and i want to get your perspective on after the 2 million a week gold cartel is making just moving people across to mcallen. You know this well. Real problem. Can you talk a little bit about that as one of the opening point in making a great what . Guest youre right congressmen. The work you are doing is so important to enlighten the American Public about the vise grip the cartels have at the border. The horrifying and appalling impact that has innocent people on both sides of the border and whether things i think is really important to eliminate in chapter 1 of the book of what i call the Caravan Cartel is that the drug cartel couldnt do it alone but i think what is shocking to people is not that you have explicit criminal conspirators out there that are making billions of dollars in profits and endangering lives and wreaking violent havoc on families and children. The fact that you have minted palaver let charities and religious organizations that may think they are doing good deeds and of course we all know about the kind of roads that good intentions pave but religious organizations on both sides of the border that are doing service and enabling the drug cartels to make as much cash as they do. We have seen via illegal caravans come across from Central America and mexico into your state and beyond. The support money that is subsidizing this and porton network is largely coming from their own pockets. They think its helping their neighbors but they think its helping Homeless People in their communities but in many ways its going straight to the network and id name many of the shelters from Central America all the way into the interior of the United States that are being subsidized by the catholic church. And every set therein count the jesuits and the caliper indians and in concert with nongovernmental organizations like doctors without orders that are creating those magnets and those polled factors that the drug cartels exploit. Host michelle you make a great point here and i would love to explore further extent to which theres a cycle of human struggle and the cartels are the central operational control of that cycle. To your point about how it works. A lot of people i think to understand the extent to which you have people who are being driven out of the country by cartels in the list of organization for profits. One i saw was 2 billion for cartels for moving people, not in our car to expect people to get across the country. The way they do it is by exploiting our laws. They come across our border and people are being brought across and goes straight to a process by Border Patrol and take it brought straight to an ngo. All of this is completing the cycle of smuggling. Can you talk about that in the exploitation of our laws . The question hits the nail on the head. Your average news consumer even if they are fairly wellinformed have the impression that the people at the border are trying to evade the Border Patrol and its not true. They have been coached not just along the route to their but there hearing it on the radio in their own country. The word spreads fast in quickly and of course we know now and in your state you see its not just Central America. All of these african migrants as well have been coached. I think what is alarming, and is that these people around the world are far more informed about Immigration Law and all the ins and outs of the nuts and bolts of how to work around the loopholes in many cases its not the loopholes. Its actually how it works. The American People are about the rules and laws on the books that are supposed to protect them. You have the illegal alien parents that are already here. The protective status 25 years ago when there is an earthquake in south that el salvador. Theres never tempore in the world of open borders and extended relatives and then they have children back home that they have a coyote bring across in the drug cartels pay the higher the nvidia have these ngos as you mentioned that get their own cut of the profit. I think what is most offensive to people who really understand the way this works, this is a global human smuggling racket and they operate under the patina umbrella of compassion while they accuse the rest of us of being racists, heartless whatever. The question always comes up about who we are the existential question and they wrap themselves in the mantle of the flag and the statue of liberty which last time i checked was not in the constitution of the United States or any of the u. S. Code to deal with Immigration Law. Even if you look at the statue of liberty its not liberty absorbing and resettling the entire world. Erase a lot of important points there but i want to close the loop on the consequence of all of this. You mentioned the humanitarian reality of what we are dealing with the impact on american citizens. A citizen and antonio jarret vargas who was murdered last summer and a person of perpetrated that crime was an illegal immigrant who had been caught and was just prosecute her for that and found guilty but this is the reality in america but also the migrants you see coming here, the women and children on the journey while illicit illegal organizations profit in the said in the important thing about compassion. To me this is that open borders are good for migrants. Its empowering illegal organizations and again you talk about these kinds of things in your book and id love to hear your point on that before we go onto on to a different chapter. Guest i agree with you. A massive systemic exploitation of innocent people who want what we all want, better lives for themselves and for their children. It breaks my heart and the number of pawns in this cruel and inhumane game of open borders is incalculable. The fact that it doesnt just stop at the borders. You know ive lived in the area of Montgomery County which has long prided itself as being an illegal sanctuary space. When i left here 11 years ago you could see the signs of ms13 taking over the Public Schools and taking over the local malls. Its metastasizing gotten worse and its incredibly important to point out that its just not american citizens that are victims of these crimes but largely other members of these migrant communities who are being victimized raped and murdered. Host thanks for making that point and that takes us to the next thing that caught my eye. Im going to Say Something that really shocks you and the viewers. Im a white guy and in chapter 4 of your book entitled hate machine and the Southern Poverty Law Center. Without getting into the waiters what you say you at in the higher self is quote and nonwhite brown skin daughter of Filipino Catholic immigrant the wife of a grandson of a ukrainian jewish migrants to be the mother of multiracial multiethnic children. Then you start pointing out the things you were not. Xenophobic racist white supremacist if these are always the charges. I spoke at a hearing where some of my democratic colleagues were accusing a lifetime Law Enforcement officer defending our borders and enforcing our laws to call them if they get. You see this all the time and can you speak to that in your perspective and what youve gone through in your life and why you take particular offense to that . Yes i want to go back to my first appearance on cspan in 2002 when i came out with my very first book invasion. It was on the first Year Anniversary of a september 11 terrorist attack. We were talking to each other on the 18th anniversary of those attacks and it was because of the love of country that my immigrants naturalized American Parents inc. Located to me to write that book and 17 years later coming back to this topic and flushing out the global financing in this immigration chaos. The idea that you have an entire industry of your that is hellbent on demonizing and smearing every Immigration Enforcement advocate every group that does the research and tells the truth about the negative impacts on our culture, on her schools and other Public Health system and welfare let alone national security. You realize this is either random people out there tossing out these smears. Its very well orchestrated and very wellfunded. In large part its coming from groups that enjoy taxexempt nonprofit status. The chapter that i wrote on the Southern Poverty Law Center starts out the way that you read through dining counter that smear machine very early on. Now everybody is aware of it with a large number of the platforming that we are seeing a prominent conservative independent Trump Supporters and other organizations that have found success on the internet. Very early on it was immigration that motivated groups like the National Council of la raza the Antidefamation League and the number of subgroups under the umbrella of an open Society Foundation to come up with their own guide hook, a book of codeword that you are not allowed to use. For me in 2006 and 2007 there is a video that attacked me for talking about the academic concept of recon geese and the idea many of these open borders were able to overwhelm cities amass electoral power. All you have to look at is the members to see that thats happening but to be able to talk about it without being labeled as conspiracy theorists is nearly impossible these days. It helps the flfc which is a highly discredited organization that even mainstream they are both in magazines like the atlantic have completely exposed and now you have internal whistleblowers who are talking about harassment and discrimination within the orientation. Yet cnn and the Washington Post continue to confer upon it moral authority to be able to judge who is a quote unquote white supremacist even if they have as brown as guinness i do. What say you spent a lot of time on their southern border and i have as well. The district i represent the 21st Congressional District which stretches from san antonio to the hill country real country at about 100 miles from the rio grande on the laredo sector. Youve been to the border. The mexico california and i wonder if your perspective is is the same as mine. Theres a racist tinge to believing in Border Security. I have two thoughts on that. One look at the brave men and women in Border Patrol who are overwhelmed to as one agent told me his son diaper patrol instead of Border Patrol because they are so overwhelmed and other agents have said they only have three guys or gals on the line trying to protect the 70mile stretch. You can drive a car alongside the river. You cant see the river come you dont have a radio signal or a cell signal. Heres my point the majority of the water patrol officers ive engage with them i believe the statistical truth are hispanic. They are hispanic americans who believe the borders part of our sovereignty and the rule of law matters. The second is with respect to the racist charge how is that somehow the dead for someone to be abused on a journey coming here and have open borders that empower illegal organizations that we discussed earlier in the show and how is that a good thing . I wonder if you have thoughts in either of those two things . Guest on the first i absolutely agree with you. I cut my teeth in newspaper journalism in los angeles in the early 1990s and not only did a report on the perspective on american citizens and lawabiding immigrants who were Early Warning about immigration chaos in that state and trying to take control of it back then of course it started doling up many forces building a Border Patrol and i. C. E. And then i moved up to the Seattle Times and was able to see the perspective of Border Patrol agents and deportation and removal officers to work on the northern part of the border. We spend so much time just for talking about the southern border but then neglect the northern border especially when you have canadian governments in power who see themselves as doormat for the world and in large part harboring islamic extremists routes back in traipse across the northern border because all thats that stopping them are orange rubber cones. Its alarming and they have been under siege for a long time. Congress and the washington swamp always paying lipservice to wanting to fund the more and increase their ranks. Theyve been perfectly turned into as you say the diaper patrol because too many special interest dont want them to do their job effectively. Another important point you made these order patrol agents come from all backgrounds. They have all colors brown black white yellow and many in the southern borders that theres our families that come from lawabiding hispanic families themselves. In colorado my adopted home state i visited the i. C. E. Facility recently and i. C. E. Agents and the other people that work there from the private contractor many of them are proud and recently naturalized americans who understand that to preserve that special it to be able to become an american you need an orderly system thats able to vet properly and decide who we want to lead and into should stay here and how should we remove the people who dont belong here in the first place. Host i was about to move to business and your open borders, inc. Pitter group of people turned the American Flag upside down and raise the mexican flag. I went to that facility saturday morning. You and i talked about this. I went in there and i found 12 other people. I found tvs and i found ipads and three square meals a day. I found internet access, a gym but heres the interesting point there were people in that facility from 57 countries, 57 countries from around the world from pakistan, india, indonesia. Its not just a northern triangle problem with respect to mexico, is it . Guest its worldwide and i remember when you tweeted the picture outside of that aurora facility. Inspired me to do more in my own home state. Not long after on labor day just recently we had an i. C. E. Rally that drew 200 people on holiday. There is a hunger and thirst among ordinary citizens to show their support in a way that hasnt been done until now. With so many of these i. C. E. Facilities under siege being lied about and being harassed which i talk about in the book and chapter 5 in what i call antifa end this sanctuary anarchists. Again while subsidized and underwritten by forces that are hostile to american sovereignty. It is very important for people to know whats actually going on the facility. I was stunned congressman to find out the many amenities that you listed on top of that you brought these detainees many of them of course criminal alien repeat offenders and deportation fugitives who have free access to lexisnexis. They have telepsychiatry appointments and then the Colorado Department of state that dont have a fraction of these amenities and if you believe the hysteria driven squad here in the beltway they are on the order of concentration camps in world war ii. This is absolutely ridiculous and more disturbingly the incitement to violence is not some sort of speculation. You would think with all the targets that have faced shootings like the shots that were fired in san antonio and the molotov cocktail throwing at the cis office in florida and obviously the attack at the antifa saga in tacoma, if the ideological chips had fallen on the other side this would be declared an epidemic and there would be congressional hearings out the whats new about how to prevent this epidemic of violence from continuing. Host i will add one more point about the i. C. E. Facility. One consequence of the massive influx the almost 900,000 people who have been apprehended thats not counting those not apprehended as you know, 600,000 of them have been caught and released. A huge number that we have to find a place to put them, where they going . They are going to i. C. E. Facilities. What i was told was 80 of the 1200 were people who had come across our southern border recently. What does that mean . To your point about criminals we are not able to do as much interior enforcement because we dont have a place to put them. By interior enforcement as you know we are talking about hardened criminals, dangerous people engaging in battery or assault or murder or whatever it might be. We have a tougher time doing her job because we are overwhelmed. Guest is such a good point congressman and i wish we could shot it through the rooftops every single day. The problem is when we talk about the policy costs these are hidden costs. Not like a viral photo of yunel a sanchez a deacon photoshop onto a time cover. The left exploit this ability to tell these visceral stories that we can tell the stories of the hidden impact of other types of victims of crime that we cant know about and displacement in places like the aurora i. C. E. Facility with criminal repeat aliens as you say with the people who are being surged across the border and enabled by all of the ngos in this open Border Network that i have exposed. I moved away from Montgomery County to colorado thinking i was escaping it and the selyem point for Everyday Americans across the country is there is no safe place from open borders. Lets go to mayor of a small town in san antonio came up and did a press conference in san antonio. Im here in d. C. Im sorry because of the dangers to people 50, 60, 70 miles from the border. Its in Montgomery County. We are seeing all sorts of terrible consequences and abuses by coming people coming here illega