Congressman chip delay of texas. After words is a weekly Interview Program with relevant guest host is interviewing top nonfiction authors about their latest works. Great to be with you. The first part of your book captures the attention because that is important as the congressman from texas the extent to which cartels have operational control over the border. Ive been there numerous times you notice while it is a problem. They are at the border and the appalling impact that has for innocent people on both sides of the border is important to eliminate in chapter one of the book of what i call the Caravan Cartel is that they couldnt do it alone. Its not that you have the conspirators out there that are making these billions of dollars in profit and endangering lives and really wreaking violent havoc on innocent families and children, but the fact that you have minted benevolent charity and religious organizations that may think that they are doing good deeds and of course now we all know what the good intentions pave that on both sides of the border they are doing service and enabling the drug cartels to make as much cash as they do they come across from Central America and flight of mexico into your state and beyond. In the network of specialty churchgoers in america need to understand that its largely coming from their own pockets and they think its helping their neighbors and they think its helping Homeless People in their communities. But in many ways it is going straight to the network and i name many of the shoulders from Central America all the way to the interior of the United States that are being subsidized for example by the Catholic Church and every sector they are in. And in concert with non govern until organizations like Doctors Without Borders creating those magnets and factors that they then exploit. What i would love to explore a little bit further the extent to which there is human smuggling and the operational control of that cycle to your point about how it works. A lot of people i think dont understand you have people being driven in illicit organization and one report i saw was 2 billion for the profit that they are moving to get across the country and then the way they do it is by exploiting the law and the catch and release situation that i know you know a lot about and they come across the border and people are being brought across. They get straight to an ngo to be distributed as a country and all of this is completing a cycle of smuggling. Can you talk about that and how that all comes together ask guest the nail is hit right on the head because your average news consumer, even if they are wellinformed have the impression the people that the bordeat theborder or trying to d they are marching right up to the station because they have encroached not just a long round number two, that they are hearing it on the radar. The word spreads very fast and we know that its not just Central America for these african migrants as well have been coached and i think what is alarming is that these people around the world are far more informed about the Immigration Law and the standouts and how to work around the loopholes and its actually how it works, then the American People are about the rules into the wall that are on the books that are supposed to protect us. Maybe they have protected status 25 years ago when there was an earthquake in el salvador its never tiberi in the world of open borders. Or they have extended relatives, and then they have got the children back home and they give the final passage and everybody is making money. Then you have these ngos as you mentioned that get their own cut of the profit. What is the most offensive to people that understand the way that this works they get to operate under the umbrella of compassion while they accuse the rest of us of being xenophobic, racist, heartless, whatever the question comes up about who we are and they wrap themselves in the mantle of the flag and the statue of liberty which the last time i checked wasnt in the constitution of the united aids or any of the u. S. Code to deal with Immigration Law that has been exhausted as such. I want to close the loop on the consequences of all of this. He mentioned the humanitarian rally that we are dealing with and the impact on american citizens, endangerment of the citizen. The person who perpetrated the crime had been caught and was just prosecuted for that and found guilty bufelt guilty but e reality in america. The women, the children on the journey is one of these in illicit organizations profit and then you set an important part right there about compassion. This is the false theme of compassion that open borders is somehow good for migrants and its completely backwards in powering these organizations. You talk about these kind of thing in your book and i would love to hear your view before we go to a different chapter. The massive systemic exploitation of innocent people who want what we all want, better lives for themselves and their children. It breaks my heart, that done him the number in this game of open borders is incalculable and the fact that it doesnt just stop at the borders. I lived in the area of Montgomery County that prided itself on being in illegal alien sanctuary space and when i leftt eahere of years ago you could already see the sign of its taking over the public schools, taking over the local malls. Its not just american citizens that are victim of these crimes, that it is largely other members of these migrant communities being victimized, raped and murdered. Host thanks for getting to that topic. Im going to Say Something that is going to shock you and the viewers. I am a white guy. Chapter four of your book is titled the Southern Poverty Law Center and you start with an exact quote without getting into the weeds you identify yourself as quoting nonwhite brown skinned daughter of Filipino Catholic immigrants, the wife of a grandson of a ukrainian jewish migrant and the mother of multiracial multiethnic children. Then you start pointing out the things you are not the xenophobic, racist white supremacist. These are always the charges. For some of my democratic colleagues accusing the former head of ice was an officer defending the borders and enforcing the law. You see this all the time. Can you speak to that from your perspective and what you have gone through and why you would take offense to that . I want to go back to my first appearance on cspan in 2002 when i came out with my first book invasion. We are talking to each other on the 18th anniversary of those attacks because of the love of country that my immigrant naturalized American Parents inculcated in me to write the book and now 17 years later coming back to this topic fleshing out the global financing of this chaos is hell bent on demonizing and smearing every Immigration Enforcement advocate. Every group out there that does the research and tells the truth about the negative impact on the culture and on the schools have on the public system and welfa welfare. These are not just random people it is very well orchestrated and funded coming from groups that enjoyed taxexempt nonprofit status. So, the chapter that i wrote on the wall center starts out the way that you read because i encountered that very early on. Now everybody is aware of it with the large number of platforms we are seeing with independents, Trump Supporters and other organizations that found success on the internet. But very early on it was immigration that motivated groups like the National Council to come up with their own guidebook, a bit of code words that you are not allowed to use and for me in 2006 and 2007 is a video that attacked me for talking about the academic concept of re competes to it the idea that demographically if many of these open Border Forces are able to overwhelm cities but he would announce an electoral power you would see how that is appended to talhappening to talt without being labeled a conspiracy theorist is nearly impossible these days and it could certainly help the highly discredited organization that even makes liberals in magazines like the atlantic have completely exposed. The poverty palace should no longer be quoted by the Mainstream Media organization. You spent a lot of time down on our southern border and i havent as well the district i represent the county is about one hunted down and i spent a lot of time in mcallen. Youve been to the border of texas, arizona, new mexico, california and i wonder if your perspective is the same as mine is often brought out the charge that there is a racist tinge to believing in Border Security and i have two thoughts on that and want to get your feeling on it. But that those men and women on Border Patrol outraged right now because they are so overwhelmed and has other agency said the three on the line trying to protect the stretch you can drive a car alongside the river and you cant see the river come you dont have a cell phone signal, we are asking you to do the impossible. Here is my point. If a majority of the officers that i have engaged with and i believe the truth are hispanic there hispanic americans along the border who believe that it is part of our sovereignty to the pool of law matters. How is it good for people of any color to be abused on a journey coming here and have open borders that have been in power of the various legal organizations we discussed earlier in the show, and how is that a good thing from a race standpoint i wonder if you have thoughts about either of those. I absolutely agree with you i cut my teeth in los angeles in the early 1990s and not only that i report on the perspective of american citizens and lawabiding immigrants who were Early Warning about immigration chaos in that state trying to take control of it back then started building up many sources both on the Border Patrol and then i moved to the Seattle Times and was able to see the perspective of the Border Patrol agents and deportation and removal officers who worked on the northern part of the border. We spend so much time talking about the southern border for the neglect especially when you have canadian government in power who see themselves as doormats of the world and in large part harboring islamist extremist groups that then can just go across the northern border because all of that is stopping them are orange rubber cones its alarming and theyve been under siege for a long ti time. They always pay lipservice to wanting to fund them more and increase the ranks but theyve been turned into the diaper but go because too many special interests dont want them to do their job effectively. Another point that you made of course is that the Border Patrol agents come from all backgroun backgrounds. Many of us are in the southern sectors. In colorado, my adopted home state, i visited these facilities recently and the agents there and the other people that work there, many of them are proud and naturalized americans who understand that to preserve the gift of being able to become unamerican you need an orderly system that is able to fit properly and decide who we want to butt in and who should stay here and how to remove the people who dont belong here in the first place. Host i was about to move to business but i cant resist commenting on the situation. You will remember i was in colorado and i sold you on the weekend that a group of folks stormed the facility and turned the American Flag upside down. I went to that facility the day after that occurred and you and i talked about this. I went in there and i found clean rooms. Three square meals a day, internet access, jim and the interesting point to your point there were people in that facility from 57 countries, 57 countries from around the world this isnt just a northern triangle with respect to mexico. Guest its worldwide and i can remember the picture of you outside of that facility it inspired me to do more in my home state and not long after just recently we drew two people on the holiday but it was a hundred and a thirst among the grassroots ordinary citizens to show their support in a way that has not been done until now and with so many of these facilities under siege and being lied about with the agents cannot talk andt this in the book and chapter five i call abolished the anarchists is underwritten by the sources that are hostile to the american sovereignty. Its important for people to know what is actually going on in facilities. I was stunned to find out among the amenities that you listed on top of that you have these detainees many of course still criminals who have free access to lexisnexis to hav the heavys service pharmacy. Two department of correction facilities they have these amenities and yes, if you believe the hysteria here in the beltway, they are on the order of concentration camps run world war ii. This is absolutely ridiculous and more disturbing, the incitement to violence isnt just some sort of a speculation. And you would think that with all of the targets that have now faced shootings like the ones in the san antonio and the one of the cias office in florida. If the chips have fallen on the other side, this would be declared and epidemic and there would be congressional hearings about how to prevent this epidemic of violence are continuing. A huge number we have to find a place to put them, where are they going, they are going to the facilities and when i was there i was told as 80 of the total, they had come across the southern border recently. We dont have a place to put them and i wonder if you want to comment on this. I wish we could shouted for the rooftop. One week in photoshop onto the time cover and the left of course exploit this ability but we cant do the stories of the hidden impact of the victims of crime that we cant know about and the displacement of the facilities like the criminal repeated aliens like you say and the networks that ive exposed ive moved away from Montgomery County to colorado thinking that i was escaping it, and the plate for the Everyday Americans across the country is not no faithbased from the tanks. Host they did a conference for me in san antonio and because of the dean jurors that are now opposed to the people 50, 60 or 70 miles from the border would have a real impact for folks did in colorado its in Montgomery County to make your former home we are seeing all sorts of terrible things and coming here daily only from the northern triangle. Im glad you made that point but i think that we should go back to the title openbrace there is obviously a correlation and a tie to the Business Community. One of the things i said before that i think we should say its wrong to stand on the rio grande with a no trespassing sign with any kind of wink and nod with a fake help wanted sign but we do that a lot in this country. They have their own vested interest and it isnt merely virtues, if it were simply empty virtues signaling a day provide the services for the illegal family members and i wrote about this as a focus of my last book with the former American Software programmer turned lawyer who had been harmed by the chief labor pipeline from india, they are explicit goals is to bring in as many cheap laborers as they can within outsource the work. The companies have invited them into their inner chambers to help them identify their worst political opponents and then to completely follow them from telling the truth and it is connecting the dots of that money. Tim cook and jeff have donated to many of these organizations. You wonder how it is that they have instant representation in court to sue over every last initiative to enforce the law. So, you know, big business and the chamber of commerce are sort of huge reasons for that. Host but we had your perspective on this because you know, ive been working on this universe for a while when i was on the Senate Judiciary committee 14, 15 years ago and then again the chief of staff and members of congress and also when i was the Attorney Generals Office the litigated to enforce the law. The circle that we find ourselves in is significantly part of the chamber of Commerce Business crowd. You have a sensible Border Security mission, one like for example the democrats filibuster reyes in el paso, building a fence in el paso that would work and now his successor wants to tear down. We know Border Security needs some sort of infrastructure. Southern california we have 600,000 something annual apprehensions in in the mid1990s the number is down to about 30,000. From brownsville to el paso my concern is my question for you is why do we end up in an endless cycle with some interest not wanting us to actually enforce the law. Guest money talks a lot of local chamber of commerce members have no idea what the National Chamber actually represent and i think that most of the grassroots local members would be appalled to know that. If we could just point fingers at Julian Castro and say they are really out there and want to decriminalize the border trespassing and they talk about this seriously. They really do want to abolish them but not replace it with anything else. But, lurking behind them are these larger corporate interests that allow the crazies and radicals to give voice to the ultimate working agenda of their own organizations. They would be very happy if every last willing worker in the world is able to cross the border for the dollar an hour wage.