Can you talk about that as one of the opening point you make in your great book . Guest youre right. The work you are doing is so important to enlighten the American Public about the vice grip the cartels have at the border. The horrifying and appalling impact that has the innocent people both sides of the border. One of the things i think was really important to illuminate in chapter one of what i call that Caravan Cartel is a drug cartel couldnt do it alone. Whats shocking to people is not you have explicit criminal conspiratorial out there that are making these billions of dollars in profits and endangering lives and really wreaking violence and havoc on innocent families and children at the fact you have minted benevolent charities and religious organizations that may think they are doing good deeds and, of course, we all know about that kind of road that good intentions pave, but religious organization on both sides of the border that are doing service and enabling the drug cartels to make as much cash as they do. We seeing the illegal alien caravans come across from Central America the spine of mexico into your state and beyond. The support money that is subsidizing this entire illegal and shelter network, especially churchgoers in america need to understand, is largely coming from the own pockets. They think its helping their neighbors. They think its helping Homeless People in their communities but in many ways its going straight to that network, and then they many of the shelters from Central America all the way into the interior of the United States that are being subsidized by the catholic church. And every sect theyre in, the, the scallop radians, and in concert with nongovernmental organizations like Doctors Without Borders that are creating those magnets and those factors that the drug cartels then exploit. Host you are making a great point and what id love to explore further is the extent to which theres a cycle of human smuggling and the extent to which cartels are at the central operational control of that cycle. And to your point about how it works. A lot of people dont understand the extent to which youve got people who are being driven out of the country by cartels and illicit organizations forprofits. One report i saw was 2 billion for cartel for the profits theyre making moving people, not narcotics for people to get across our country. The way they do it is by exploiting our laws and then the asylum laws and flores catch and release. I know you know a lot about. They come across our border and then what you find is you go to the border, people are brought across, go straight to a bias, get brought straight to an injury to get distributed country and all this is complete the cycle smuggling. Can you talk about that and exploitation of our laws . Guest the question hits the nail on the head because your average news consumer, even if they are fairly well informed, have the impression people at the border are trying to evade the Border Patrol. You know thats not true. They are perching right at the station because they had been coached, not just along the route to there but, of course, theyre having it on the radio in their own countries. The word spreads fast and quickly and, of course, we know now and in your state you see its not just Central America. All of these african migrants as well have been coached here i think its alarming, these people around the world are far more informed about Immigration Law and all the ins and outs, the nuts and bolts, how to work around all the loopholes and in many cases is that the loopholes, its how it works, then the American People are about the rules and laws that offer books that are supposed to protect us. Youve got the early gill parents were over here. Illegal parents. Maybe temporary is never temporary in the world of open borders. Or thin extended relatives and then theyve got children back home that they pay a coyote to bring cross and the coyote pays a drug cartels to give them the final passage and everybody is making money and then you have these ngos as you mentioned a get their own cut of the profits. I think whats most offensive to people who really understand the way this works is that in essence this is a global human smuggling racket and they just prosecuted for that and found guilty but this is a reality in america, harming american citizens but also the migrants who seek to come who are abused, the women and children on journeys while these illicit illegal organizations profit. You said the important part of our compassion. To me this is a false than a compassion, the open borders are selected for migrants. Its backwards. Its empowering these illegal organizations and again you talk about these things in your book and id love to your point on that before we move on to a different chapter. Guest i agree with you. The massive systemic exploitation of innocent people to walk but we all want, better life for themselves and their children. It breaks my heart and the number of ponds in this cruel and inhumane gain of open borders inc. Is incalculable. And the fact it doesnt just stop at the borders. I live in the d. C. Swap area and Montgomery County which has long prided itself on being an illegal alien century space. When i left 11 years ago you could already see the signs of ms13 taking over the public schools, the local malls. Its wholly metastasize and got worse and its incredibly important to point out its not just american citizens that are victims of these kinds but it is largely other members of these migrant communities for being victimized, raped and murdered. Host thanks for making that point. Ill get to the next topic that a think that, i and your book. Im going to Say Something that will shock you and the viewers. Im a white guy and im a bald white guy. In chapter four of your book is titled hate machine, the Southern Poverty Law Center. You start, im looking at exact quote. Without getting into the weeds heres what you say to identify yourself as quoting nonwhite brown skinned daughter, a Filipina Catholic and, white but grandson of a ukrainian jewish migrants, the mother of multiracial multiethnic children. You start pointing out things you are not come xenophobic, races, white supremacist. Yet these are always the charges. Some might democrat colleagues were accusing the form head of i. C. E. Tom homan was a lifetime Law Enforcement officer defending our borders and enforcing our laws, they called him a bigot. You see this all the time. Could you speak to that from your perspective and what youve gone through in your life and why you take particular offense to the . Guest yes, and want to go back to my very first appearance on cspan in 2002 when it came out with my very first book, invasion, and it was on the first Year Anniversary of the september 11 terrorist attacks. We are talking to each other course on the 18th anniversary of those attacks. It was because of the love of country that might emigrant naturalized American Parents inculcated in the that fueled me to write the book and now 17 years later coming back to this topic and really fleshing out the global financing of this immigration chaos. The idea you have an entire infrastructure that is hellbent on demonizing and smearing every Immigration Enforcement advocate, every group out there that does the research and tells the truth about the negative impacts on our culture, on our schools and Public Health system and welfare. Medical National Security here its really daunting because you realize these are not just a random people out there tossing out these smears. It is very well orchestrated and very wellfunded. In large part its coming from groups that enjoy taxexempt nonprofit status. So the chapter i wrote on the Southern Poverty Law Center starts at the way that you read because i encountered that spam machine for the everybody is aware of it with the large number of deep platforms of prominent conservatives, independence Trump Supporters and other organizations that hae found success on the internet. Not very early on it was immigration that motivated groups like the National Council of la raza, the antidefamation league, and a number of subgroups under the umbrella of the open Society Foundation to come up with their own like guidebook, a book of code words that youre not allowed to use. And for me in 2006 2007 there was a bit if that had attacked me for talking about the academic concept of mazatlan and we can keister, the idea that demographically if many of these open borders for so able to overwhelm cities, that they would amass a electoral power. All you have to do is look at the numbers and see that happening but to talk about without being labeled a a conspiracy theorist is nearly impossible these days. It helps the splc which itself is a highly discredited organization that even instream liberals in magazines like the atlantic have completely exposed your nigra internal whistleblowers who have talked about harassment and Racial Discrimination within the organization. Cnn and the Washington Post continue to confer upon it absolute moral authority to be able to judge who is a quoteunquote white supremacist even if they have as brown skin as i do. Host you spent a lot of time down on our southern border and i have as well obviously, the district have represent the 21sthe21st congressional distrit which stretches from san antonio to austin to riyadh county which is 100 miles from the rio grande along the laredo sector, and i spent a lot of time at laredo. You have, too. Youve been to the border in texas, arizona, new mexico, california. I wonder if your perspective is the same as mine. It is often brought out discharge theres a racist tends to believing in Border Security. I have two thoughts on that. I want to get your feet on it, which is, one, look at the break then the women of Border Patrol who are overwhelmed, who is when agent told me is often on diaper patrol and state of Border Patrol because it are overwhelmed as of a considerate and a sector with only three guys or gals on the light try to protect 70mile stretch. You can see the river computer never read a signal, a sell signal. Where asking them to do the impossible. Heres my point. Majority of the Border Patrol offices ive engaged with and ugly it is statistical truth are hispanic. They are hispanic americans or e along the border who believe border is part of our sovereignty to the rule of law matters and thats why people seek to call me. That would be one point and the second is with respect to this racist charge. How is it somehow good for people of any color to be abused on a journey coming here and have open borders that this empowers the very illegal organizations we discussed earlier in the show, and how is that a good thing for a race standpoint . I would if you thoughts on either those. Guest on the first absolutely agree with you. I cut my teeth the newspaper journalism in los angeles in the early 19 90s, and not only did i report on the perspective of american citizens and lawabiding immigrants who were Early Warning about immigration chaos in that state and trying to take control of it back then, but, of course, have started building of many forces oath in the Border Patrol and i. C. E. Then i moved up to the Seattle Times and was able to see the perspective of Border Patrol agents and deportation and removal officers who worked on the northern part of the border. We spend so much time just like document the border but in the click at the northern border especially when youre canadian governments in power who see themselves as doormats for the world and a large families that come from lawabiding hispanic families themselves. In colorado, my adopted home state, i visited the aurora i. C. E. Facility recently and the i. C. E. Agent and of the people that work there from the private contractor, many of them are proud and recently naturalized americans who understand that to preserve that special gift of being able to become an american, you need an orderly system thats able to bet properly and decide who we want to let in, who should stay here and how we should remove the people who dont belong to in the first place. Host i was about to move the business and the move to open borders think but i cant resist commenting on the aurora situation. A member i was in colorado when i saw you the weekend that a group of folks on the i. C. E. Facility, turn the American Flag upside down, put a ball of i. C. E. On and raised the mexican flag. I went to that facility that sunday morning, the day after, and you and i talked about this. I went in there other than 1200 people. I found found clean rooms, iphone tvs, ipads, three square meals a day. I found internet access. Heres the interesting point to your point. There were people in the facility from 57 countries, 87 countries from around the world, pakistan, india, indonesia. This is not just in northern triangle and problem with respect to mexico, is it . Guest its not. Its worldwide. Yes, i remember when you tweeted the picture o of the outside of the aurora facility inspired me to do more in my own home state. And not long after labor day just recently we had a stand with i. C. E. Rally that drew 200 people on a holiday. There is a hunger and a thirst among grassroots ordinary citizens to show their support in a way that hasnt been done until now. With some of these i. C. E. Facilities under shes come being lied about with the agents being harassed, which a talk in the book in chapter five of what i call the ateam, abolish i. C. E. Antifa and and and orcas. This well subsidize and underwritten by forces that are hostile to american sovereignty. It is important for people to know what actually is going on in the facilities. The tour you took, the tour i took. I was stunned to find out that among the many amenities that you listed on top of that, youve got these detainees, many the course of them still criminal alien repeat offenders and deportation fugitives who have free access to lexisnexis. They have, psychiatry appointments, fullservice pharmacy and Colorado Department of state correction facilities dont have a fraction of these immunities. And yet if you believe the hysteria driven squad here in the beltway, they are on the order of concentration camps from world war ii. This is absolutely ridiculous, and more disturbingly, the incitement to violence is not just some sort of speculation. You would think that with all of the targets that have now faced either shootings like the one, the shots there were fired in san antonio, the molotov cocktail throwing at the cis office in florida and obviously the attack by the antifa in tacoma, is, you know, if the ideological ships had fallen on the other side, this would be declared an epidemic and there would be congressional hearings out the walls who about how to prevent this epidemic of violence from continuing. Host you make a great point and ill add one more point to that about the i. C. E. Facilities. One consequence of the massive influx, the almost 900,000 people who have been apprehended since last october 1, thats not counting those not apprehended as you know, 600,000 of them have been caught and released. But a huge number we have to find a place to put them, where are they going . They are going to i. C. E. Facilities. What i was told was 80 of the 1200 were people would come across our southern border recently. What does that mean . To your point about criminals, we are not able to do as much into enforcement because we dont have a place to put them. By interior enforcement as you know, we are talking hardened criminals, dangerous people, people engaging in battery or assault or murder or whatever it might be so we have a tougher time doing our Job Interview because there are overwhelmed. Try get such a great point and a wish we could shadow from the rooftops every single day. The problem is when we talk about the policy consequences, these are hidden costs. Its not like a bible photo of you nell nelle sanchez that youn photoshop onto a time cover and the left of course exploits this ability to tell these visual stories but we cant tell the stories of the hidden impact of other types of victims of crime that we cant know about and the displacement in places like the aurora i. C. E. Facility of hardened criminal repeat aliens like you say with these people who are being surged across the border and enabled by all of these ngos and this entire open borders inc. Network that ive exposed. I moved away from Montgomery County to colorado thinking i was escaping it, and the point for Everyday Americans casa country is theres no safe space to open borders inc. Host you couldnt be more right. The mayor of a small town west of san antonio did a press conference with me in san antonio because im a pure d. C. , sorry, because of the dangers that opposed to the people just 50, 60, 70 miles from the border will have a real impact but its in Montgomery County, your former home to wishing all sorts of terrible things and consequences and abuses by people come here illegally. Im glad you made the point but i think we should pivot to big business. Your book is titled open borders, inc. Theres obviously a correlation and a tie to the Business Community. One of the things ive said before is i think we should be wrong, its wrong for us to stand on the rio grande with a no trespassing sign but then wink wink nod nod