Transcripts For CSPAN2 Discussion On Combating Extremism Te

CSPAN2 Discussion On Combating Extremism Terrorism July 13, 2024

Policymakers and the public from homegrown american terrorism to the United States drone wars abroad and around the world to the challenge. The changes with the societal changes id like to first begin by introducing jessie who will begin with a presentation before we jump into the panel portion. Jesse was a propagandist who ran revolutionon muslim in new york citybased organization active in the 2000 z. Connected to a number of terrorism cases and connected the ideology and transformed it for america creating englishlanguage propaganda. The radicalized in 2011 following his arrest and incarceration in the u. S. Hes now executive director of the parallel networks and after the presentation i would like the rest of the speakers to join me on stage to provide an introduction for each of them we will discuss the new initiatives, the changing Threat Landscape future of terrorism prevention practices at the relationship between. We will save the last 30 minutes or so for the audience qanda and handed over to jesse. So, good afternoon and thank you for attending todays event. We are certainly honored to be ohere. Id like to express the gratitude for hosting todays event and a Civil Society approach to preventing terrorist and targeted violence. Todays important for us as it marks the release of the hate and Extremism Initiative called con troll. It is a magazine that will be issued in print and online and we will be passing around some copies it is a component of the omextremism we have been buildig out since we got started. Stored. You can see the cover of the First Edition here that went online this morning that the initiative is more than a counterr narrative tool it is part of our innovative and holistic approach to address the threat posed by enhancing and mutually reinforcing extremism here in the u. S. First a little but on the projects background. Its important to realize it is not a standalone initiative. Its more than just a magazine for more than over a year now with many supporters and in particular the counter extremism project and the team of researchers have been working on advancing a comprehensive program to assist in combating the threat by the far rightwing extremism in fact my partnership was announced publicly june 4, with an event right here at new america that documented the legacy i once felt as a propagandist and mitch while he was with the nypd. Since then we have learned a great deal and after researching networking speaking, w publishig reports and designing programs we launched the ecosystem we will discuss in more detail and again which control old delete will now be incorporated. The project controlled and came about as a result of much effort since the inception we have been putting together a network of former extremists, victims of extremism, activists, researchers, supporters and others to believe in the model. Thinking about this started a year ago during a week of activitactivity that made its id we needed to get moving in fast. The adaptivity included the life synagogue attacks which occurred in the midst of the scare and individual white supremacist who tried to get into a barricaded church and proceeded to shoot two elderly africanamericans at the supermarket in kentucky. Of course things have gotten a lot worse since then that we started to serve alongside those of the former geologists to help us expand going forward. They led the Largest Organization for over two decades and the movie American History x. Myself and otherstw like bad this also here today and people like hope africanamerican woman whose father was murdered by a white supremacist and she actually is in contact with the individual and providesin a sort of support and empathy. These have been over the past year into the same time we supported and informedd one another. It is a byproduct of these yearlong efforts and its the beginning of our answer particularly in the rightwing space. So, id like to talk a little bit about our unique approach to the problem. We believe they offer an unrivaled insight particularly within an amazing collectivert f others spectrums of activities. Activities. They drawn largely from the transdisciplinary model. Its one that sticks in approach that expands the activity so that ones that have typically been standalone help lines with no outreach and a little tlpublicity and marketing and cannot reach the targeted Audience Center because they are not connected to a Broad Network or movement we think of it as creating an alternative network and movements you might describe as one that t seeks to rifle in the size and scope and the cohesive worldview than network with extremists. Only then we believe you can map the impact and measure the results of the oriented engagements which will serv sera cornerstone of these efforts. A bit more on the history and how this template was established. Its based on an initiative in june 6 months ago. When i was a recruiter from 2003 to 2011, i collaborated with several to develop the first englishlanguage magazines. Fourthte were trained they launched their own initiative called inspired and became over the years it out did the design it for the people of consciousness and we included articles that deconstructed the ideology including the testimony of those like myself and offered a positive alternative worldview that we call that i am one of civilizations model equally applicable as we address what is the perceived threat from the far right for the sco states that they categorized as western civilization. A month before the launch be inaugurated the hub and we will embed it there. We launched the issue on the first pronouncement of the socalled caliphate and before the launch even got to the community and sympathizers to believe that it was about to launch a new magazine and that coupled with the media rollout the generated publicity to respond as we invaded their eco chambers that is essentially the only counter narrative project that has been utilized over the platforms like telegram where those including the far right by mainstream social Media Companies butl facebook, twitter and youtube to remove the extremist content. When we first launched, they were angry and kept popping up in the discussion groups with a magazine because we have multiple networks. O is led them to engage me in private discourse with reputations be provided and reputations we provide and we then found evidence of the ignorance of the leadership and ability to respond to the arguments back into that works spanning them with evidence against those they hold as leaders. For examplee after reading the telegram and coming over to threaten you on twitter, ive established that relations and im supporting a prominent individual that caused quite a bit of fanfare when he returned back but it remains free of the absent criminal charges and several have arisen as a result of the indebtedness in the englishlanguage telegram network. So now each article and each edition serves as a standalone piece on the website and itsts utilized for linking the engagement over the social media and putting into the extremist conversation prints online. Its also for prevention in 2020 we will be in hard copies and control visiting cities around the United States speaking publicly with our team to raise awareness and promote our Intervention Services. Now that we launched this week and use the same method for domestic extremist collectives while also discussing the reciprocal radicalization. So the magazine becomes not a standalone product built under if you build it they will come hypothesis or something insignificant first the name of the magazine its something that we utilize as a paradigm conducting of the personal and collective transformations. They offerse the unique framewok for storytelling and transformation. The first stage is to polls in the process when confronted with this ideology. As holocaust survivor once dated between stimulus and response to thise space there is the powero choose the respondent in the responsed wise or growth in freedom so the approach is dedicated to this realization. Control transitions which essentially looks at altering the course to recognize we need to look not justog at the respoe to extremism and how we react to it create alternative sources with grievances by nonviolent mechanisms. It turns to delete hate and asks us all to recognize in such a tumultuous period only the whole of Society Approach can address these i and the surrounding isss and when applied they contribute to the message of the magazine had an underlining technology that can transition into a paradigm and process for individuals and alterations. This is where the oneonone engagement is occurring and the First Edition of the magazine and other support staff have facilitated it stands for support help for individuals and families and under that umbrella we have a 24 7 helpline and access to it with unrivaled access to online extremist networks with government or social Media Companies weve already conducted 100 interventions and many with hugs of extremist movements for example the young female propagandists are here with us today and offer a sort of case study of those that have benefited from the network philosophy. Wthe contract goes to disengage from the extremist movements and offer them support as well. We have shifted to provide the only support services to the tourism related offenders returning to the streets after their incarceration and we utilized the case studies to conduct research and recommendations on how to address the concern it offers a deficitbased approach then it is our asset base that seeks to build out a network that can transform essentially into a movement. They dont simply offer a message. They offer a coherent worldview and the own axioms and develop eco chambers where opposition is drowned out by noise and confirmation bias and extremist recruiters think multidimensional he and remain fluid and are able to entrust almostlu instantaneously. Its an effort to match and reverse engineer the extremist method of the team knows personally. They can utilize influencers and shape shifters and concentrates on formulating the network built that comes together synergistically and offers complete worldview and alternatives to the extremist the chamber. First it generates safe spaces and hosts of our activity. Each entity shifts and is hosted there and taken together the system permits these energies to the transition in a manner that creates opportunities for individuals and groups to experience the same meaning of significance in the sense of the offer. N second is research. The understanding todays evidencebased initiatives with measurable outcomes must precede implementation. We seek instead to learn by doing and then measure outcomes. Extremists divided and associated with topdown social science also meet the implementation of the ridatadriven interventions no longer appropriate in the climate that has already shifted. We first start the growth of the parallel network and then we measure engagement effectively owns the network. And can be juxtaposed and measured against the expansion of the networks we seek to alter there is currently too much competition and not enoughgh collaboration. The victims of extremism in shape shifters all disciplines independently but their engagement in the activity is the life of the ecosystem to allow their individual efforts to magnified. T becomes less about the individual and more about the movement. Think about the way the charismatic preachers and propagandists operate underdi these grants still become individual icons and representatives that embody the mission of the respective causes and organizations. The magazine will help us go down effective alternatives and positive messaging was. That will lead to broad marketing increasing Public Awareness about the Intervention Services and safe haven and it will expand partnerships into shape shifters are influencers and continue to provide the means to expand the movement. All of thesene feed off of and into each other and so from a social service perspective, they are designed to approach the issue of the violent extremism as a phenomenon to demarcate each component of the brand so that it will fulfill education, harm reduction, intervention, counter messaging about Restorative Justice and reimplementation. The whole of social sciences. We will also release a report on the project to pursue other initiatives as well. We have been networking with a peace Building Community and a put together an Impressive Team to organize a center for the study on destiny of traumama to translate the magazine into arabic to expand our influence into the muslim majority world and using the newsletter to take the same approach looking into western europe and canada as well in social Media Companies looking for their support to make sure that users are provided access for go light upon light will cover cover extremist related activity even the Grassroots Research in journalism and podcast and online videos and media to have content to enhance resilience with a world that has the collective non polarizing consciousness. We have been advocating for a megovernmental focus focusing specifically on the intervention space that has public criticism of cbe and to provide an a alternative for go this as a tool to the toolbox like those with targeted interventionop to put together a proposal for next year that would lead tont uniformity and recordkeeping to train and empower with Key Information with those standards of communication and those that replicate Substance Abuse treatment to rely on former addicts and training. And then to utilize our partnerships w 2020 that will be a volale and contentious year for certain in the united etates in particular to educate those on the front lines with a better understanding of risk indicators after our visit we will retain content if something comes up than they can support their own localized efforts we are very honored to be here today as a society we need to look at the space between stimulus and response to recognize each of us does have a role to play and to address the consequences of polarization as Elbert Einstein once put it no problem has ever been solved with the same level of consciousness that created it we see nothing than a paradigm shift i look forward to todays discussion. Thank you for joining us. [applause] now for some quick introductions. First to my immediate left is the ceo of the organization he cofounded with jesse morton and also a founding principle at the Guardian Group and Security Consulting firm prior to his work serving as director of intelligence at nypd working with principal counterterrorism advisor responsible for the cyberarenas. Research and interventionth specialist recently working on initiatives to counter hate and until early 2191 of the most prominent figures of the International Movement in the United States National Leader commander of the National Socialist movement for over 25 years and now will end the violence by extremism and radicalization working for those parallel networks. Thank you for being heree today. Lets start with a focus of parallel networks that we can discuss policy in the United States. Talk about the existence and similarities of the jihadist tactics and propaganda and how they feed off one another in the new neonazi social platform called the base that ties into al qaeda and also far right groups looking at the symbols. So that we have three primary principles between the far right and to some degree you have this notion that community is under threat so that is the characteristic of violent extremism and then to protect yourself to be justified than the real issue which is resistant to change in alterationn to preserve traditionalism and that is with regard to the idea with regard toto islam and to go back to a caliphate and that characteristic that goes to a utopian path but just returning to the 18 hundreds it is the framework upon which modernity can be expanded in line with their preconceptions and interest. So really what we see someone from 2003 through 2011 to focus and replicate almost to a t the approach of when the jihadist were at the top of our concern especially after attackma bin laden when homegrown extremism was growing. So that is key if you look at those images of the people pledging allegiance like aku bakr albaghdadi successor it is almost identical with the kidsod in the woods with guns pledging allegiance if you look at the images of groups and five or six young men in the woods watch the propaganda videos. With those individuals training and shooting it is framed just like it would have back in the heyday of the onset. s if you talk about that recipe that is disseminated they come out to the kitchen a new kitchen completely remodeled and teaches like he is on a cooking show how to put this in your home with basic household items. The group promoted this on the far right there may have some semblance of Osama Bin Laden the with those far right efforts to take them down it was very much the very first case of isolated dadicalization and then they called for a takedown but we adjusted by migrating to other platforms and then to prevent a takedown with the service agreement. Its a topic you could go on for hours about. A thank you. So talking about some narratives and that changed a bit depending on another ideology. I think what he was saying with the farth right with the infighting and to be thinking about they are never satisfied with just the one group it ends up fracturing these intervention points with Law Enforcement and with us is interventionist to s say this group looks like it is fracturing lets talk to these members or a typical scenario to check in on them and see what they are up to. Thats where community can mix with those agencies that are out there an

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