Those people waited in line, followed the law at the bridge and once it was ruled out it was placed in mpp. And they want to follow the law. I heard from cvp individuals that when they processed numerous crossings back and forth for their proceedings in the United States that added a strain on ports of entry. Do you believe mpp has been crossed affected or yielded efficient processing of asylumseekers . I dont believe it is more efficient. Court of entry are busy places. Mexican residents, has really congested the ports of entry in the movement when asylumseekers, people have to go very early in the morning. It caused a lot of delay. Mister knowles, i would like to hear based, how has the broader admission and morale been impacted by remain in mexico . I would like to say historically our more out has been extremely high because people are drawn to the protection work which is also protection of our country and we have done a very good job and received very high marks from every administration accept this one. The morality this administration has plummeted not because of peoples political views but because of the way we have been treated and the way we have been required to carry out very questionable programs. We have not been consulted, either the union or the workforce on the advisability of various methodologies or procedures. We are just told to carry it out. If we dont like it we can go work somewhere else. That has a big hit on more row. I heard from local catholic charities, attorneys, that the new rules and consequent training that is necessary for that can have a negative impact on the docket. What affects have you seen, that mpp policy has had on other eor dockets . Not sure i understand the question. Whether the increased number of fear hearings back and forth, other cases other than asylum cases. I wouldnt be able to answer because i am representing people who do the asylum interviews. Thank you. I want to turn to thorn vela. 13 of individuals who receive the fierce screenings have received positive determination. Do you feel there was meaningful access to representation that would be different . Thank you for the question, congresswoman. We are seeing at least one federal judge has enjoined dhs from disallowing attorneys and access from those interviews. And we see how numbers changed with access to attorneys, it is a practical matter, very difficult because cvp often allows access period. Time has expired. The chair recognizes miss lesko. My first question is for mister homan. We talked about these loopholes in previous hearings as well and i said before and will repeat again, i think these loopholes incentivize people to travel thousands of miles, take cartels, huge amounts of money, a lot of women being raped. We had evidence, children being abused by the cartels, and so changing some of these loopholes and clearing them help to mitigate the entire problem. If somebody has been raped by cartels, children being abused by cartels, of course, none of us up here would want to ignore that but there is a difference in how we should mitigate the problem. Mister homan, i have six bills i have introduced and sponsored that would try to clean up these loopholes to stop incentivizing people from coming here and one of them is to raise a credible fear standard for asylum because as you said, the initial standard is too low as evidenced by the numbers, 85 90 pass be initial phase. A huge number, 86 , 87 . If we salt that problem with the loopholes how would that affect, the mpp protocol, should we get rid of it . Certainly we will have an effect. If we had meaningful asylum, people couldnt just claim 2 or 3 key lines to get approval, they stop coming. 87 of these people do not qualify or fail to show up. Before they leave their homelands, making the dangerous journey, the chance to get an improvement, they know they are not escaping persecution because of race, religion, political beliefs, they will stop coming. It means something. I heard a lot of testimony but people think the system is rigged against the immigrant, the approval rates and denial rates have not changed until today. The denial rates are still 87 , 90 , the denial rate remains the same. As far as representation does representation make a difference . The approval rates anywhere from 10 to 20 and representation rate is not changed beyond 20 . Representation doesnt make a difference because they dont qualify and representation will not change the facts of the case. This is all available. Another question i have for you, mister homan. Is it fair to say that right now the immigrants that are seeking asylum in mexico, waiting. Are they able to say i am afraid to be in mexico and get a hearing on that . Screenings are established as part of the program, and october 15, 2019, they completed 7400 screenings to assess the fear of returned to mexico so people in mexico under this program can say i am afraid. Entering the United States, they cannot be returned to mexico but establish a clear danger to return to mexico they would be in harms way. That can be sent back to mexico without the fear to return to mexico. It is on the front end of that. I do think there are some in Central America that qualify for asylum. I am not painting with a broad stroke, but based on data and findings of judges across this country, 80 do not. There are people who certainly do fear return to their homeland but the problem is 80 rate of denial of fraud but the people in this world, really escaping fear and persecution who really do need our help, asylum claims are up 200 . It is troubling for the ones who do need our help him. I yield back. I want to take note a lot of numbers were being thrown around, there is other doj information that says that number is 85 of people who do show up. If you look at the system at Syracuse University the tracks immigration proceedings they know doj is starting to limit the access to the database. There was a recent story in the washington post, we can disagree about accuracy of the washington post, a long fact check story, the republicans use in talking about this issue, the 90 no show rate that is referred to consistently, that number was quoted by the former acting secretary in a Senate Judiciary hearing, ultimately had to walk back. He was referring to a Pilot Program being used on 7000 cases. My point is for us to have a real conversation about this we have to get real numbers. Democrats, republicans especially on this committee should be able to agree with an accurate number and i am hoping the Ranking Member would agree we can look on that as a project. We dont have these back and forth members, it is just back and forth and we are not getting any problemsolving. Thank you for giving me two minutes. I recognize the gentleman from california, mister correa. I hope you dont take those minutes off of my side. I thank the witnesses that are here today. I had a chance in the last year or so to visit some of the refugee camps in tijuana and there are some good faithbased refugee camps providing excellent services. A doctor from colombia, doctors from all over the world provided for those refugees. I went later on when they closed, a lot of people outside the faithbased refugee camps, just not enough room for the services. So yes, some services but not enough. The mayor of tijuana is screaming because hes overwhelmed and does not have the resources to address refugees not just from Central America but from all over the world. That is the challenge at the southern border. I went and visited a person who is keeping a socalled list not controlled by the us but picture this. Refugee comes to the border and says you have to sign up for numbers so you can be heard. Where do i sign up . That person over there. I ask that person who do you work for . Us government . Know. You work for the mexicans . Know. Who do you work for . Just the person set up, give us your cell number. A very questionable way of doing business being taken care of. A chance to go to quite a lot are, mexico, driving down the street, a homeless person, barefoot, and i am from guatemala, as far as i have gotten, have no food. My point is the refugee crisis is hitting throughout all of mexico, not just the border area. You talked a little bit about the work permits, and a work permit, and that rate in mississippi. The images were picked up. I got a phone call, representatives of that paltry grant called me and saying we need to do something. Most of the workers here, all the workers are refugees and taking jobs, the children the refugees will not take, according to the chairman, the rate essentially disrupted the economy of the area, my point to you, would you support not only changing loopholes which i consider not loopholes but the law, would you supports an adjustment to the law so that more folks will come to the us and work legally, we have this gray market in this country of workers that are contributing to this economy yet working in a gray area because you cant get an adjustment of status. These family groups in 1314, that was on the heels of daca. That is your next population, these children went through the country through no fault of their own. 34 years in business you have to follow the law, have a job and a clean record. When you throw out Something Like that, an amnesty program, and it is an enticement. 200,000 came across the last two years. This is your next 200,000 people who say how about us . I have 30 seconds. If there is a need for labor in this country, congress legislates something was when i was ice director economic factors are a great motivator for people, have been for the last 200 years. Would you support a Marshall Plan for Central America to stabilize that region and address the needs of those folks . I met with leadership in Central America and big banks trying to create opportunities for them in the homeland. I support creating opportunities for Central Americans. The chair recognize for 5 minutes the gentleman from mississippi, mister guest. Thank you for your 34 years of service to our country. In reading your testimony, the statements you prepared on the first page, talk about his story what we are seeing today versus what we have seen in years past. Can you expand on that a little bit . It could have been prevented of Congress Close the loopholes. We proved in fy 1415 when we worked for secretary jay johnson, he lets us build family units and it took 45 days. 90 of these cases we send them home and the numbers went down. It worked. How are we not doing it now . If they are really escaping fear, persecution and death. I dont see a problem in the Residential Center with medical care, pediatricians, child psychologist on staff, six sets of new clothes, these are openair canvas facilities. And is not just for slob but saving lives, 31 of women being raped. We will save women from being sexually assaulted, save children from dieting and, cartels, the laziness of this country not to fix loopholes. You quote several statistics in your written testimony, i think those are very important, are those statistics supported by 30 years of service to the country . 87 , i do not say 87 do not show up at the hearing, every number i quoted today in my testimony and the numbers i recently quoted came off of the executive office of Immigration Court website open to the public. I printed these up, this is not my data, this is data from immigration judges. Let me ask about a couple statistics. 70 of Illegal Immigrants coming into the country. Is that accurate to the best of your recollection . 70 72 . It says here, roughly 90 of family units failed to show up for court proceedings. I quoted acting secretary mc outinin. It depends when you look at it, what city you look at, it can go from 90 not showing up to 40 not showing up. That number fluctuates so much 90 number i use i quoted the chairwoman mentioned a few minutes ago in his testimony 6 months ago. What about 85 90 dont qualify, those that do show up, 85 do not qualify for asylum . Immigration court data, 13 , 12 , 13 for the 3 Central American countries that get a meritorious claim which means 85 lose their case. Less than 2 leave the country . Closer to 1 . And 1. 2 1. 6 and most do not leave. More people keep coming and they are not going home. I understand from your report, 8000 case backlog in the Immigration Court . 800,000, i went to the website last night. We agree these figures are stacked . When i was ice director the backlog is near 6000. What happened the last few years is right to me. You say on page 3 of your report illegal crossings are down consistent from the high still at high numbers beyond last year. Significant gains on this issue because of our president and the men and women of cvp advice and not because of anyone in this room. I want to apologize to you, the congress has failed the American People and i ask you to deliver a message and please tell the men and women of cvp, the men and women of ice that we appreciate their hard work and what they do and there are still numbers of congress who want to solve this problem. Thank you, madam chairman, i yield back. I think every person on this panel on either side of the aisle agrees every cvp officer should become ended for their hard work. I dont think that is even an issue and we want to come to a solution obviously. The chair recognize is for 5 minutes the gentleman from new jersey. Thank you, madam chair. I have some questions i want answered but i want to go to miss fail a villa in reference to comments by the Ranking Member. When we talk about torture and the incidence of torture you are privy to. I dont think we can make light of just one is one too many and normally if there has been one there has been more than one and it opens a can of worms, and with respect to torture, just the prospect of thinking to that is horrific so what is one too many. Can you elaborate anymore on that issue . It was very prolific throughout the country of mexico particularly at the northern border that cartels will often kidnap individuals and export family members for money. It is a practice the Us Government has detailed in other years. Very often people will be kidnapped and tortured on their way up in the Us Government will return them to be subjected to a second round of kidnapping and torture and it is an extremely common occurrence and every person i know has told me they live in fear of that happening. Thank you. Doctor schneberk. Vulnerable individuals and families at risk of the type of harm your organization identified affecting immigrants. What is the question again . How does the remain in mexico policy place vulnerable individuals and families at risk of the type of harm the organization identified affecting immigrants. Thank you for the question, representative. A number of ways, one for safety. People who had been through so much at heightened risk of further Mental Health declined or Mental Health affects, hits they can take from being an unsafe environment, having to live with that fear. Had numerous manifesting mentally as well as physically. Putting them in a situation they are not able to feed themselves, house themselves, accessing things that made them healthy is especially difficult and obviously have health affects. There is a litany of things you talk about, but one of the main things is how can they live being unsafe considering what they have already gone through. I lost my place. What type of medical care resources would be most important for these people . Starting from the standpoint of putting them in a safe environment where they can address their needs, from the standpoint of being able to speak about what has gone on and what happened to them. The state they are in and their ability to answer questions from the standpoint of having ptsd and starting with that baseline floor of what they call in trauma form care a safe environment, moving on as far as Mental Health evaluations, Mental Health therapy, treatment, medication as well as physical care, primary care. All the things we hold dear in medicine to keep people safe and healthy. Thank you, i yield back. The chair recognizes the gentleman from texas, mister green. Thank you, madam chair. Something that has happened as of wait, there is an organization to save the children, in the business of saving children, thank you very much. This organization, since january in 2018, 13,000 children have been returned. This is about children. I have a few questions. The first, if you agree with this policy, the first is do you approve of family separation as a policy . If so, raise your hand. Let the record reflect that no one approves. If you approve upholding children in cages, raise your hand. Let the record reflect that no one approves. If you approve of defunding aid to the countries that migraines are fleeing, raise your hand. Let the record reflect that no one approves. There is something called with foot dry foot. Some of you may be familiar with what foot dry foot. If you are familiar with what was called the with foot dry foot policy as it related to cubans would you raise your hand please . All of the members let the record reflect, what foot dry foot required that a person immigrating from cuba get 1 foot on dry land and with 1 foot on dry land you could walk right on into florida, usually, and he would be on a pathway to citizenship with 1 foot on dry land. I am not saying we have to have a what foot dry foot policy but i do believe we have to have a humane policy that respects children, that does not harm children. This is what save the children is all about. Let me make sure i have your name, mister homan. What type of policy do you envision that will help children who are fleeing harms way, with some significant person in their lives have the opportunity to be in a safe, secure, wholesome environment. Your question about raising your hand, if i oppose 0 tolerance, i will raise my hand, family separation is 0 tolerance. Seem to confuse those issues. I will ask that you kindly address my question but since you raised 0 tolerance, im not sure what you mean by 0tolerance. Do you mean 0 tolerance, no whatever coming to the United States . That your 0tolerance policy . If your printed family separations that happened und