Havent gotten your copy lees do so at the end and we will have the signing line going straight back from his table towards the back of the store, single file please. Flyers for Upcoming Events are available so grab those. Great stuff coming up. Tonight so that will be recorded by cspan so will be passing around hightailed mics for the q a suggested weight at the time, well be around to hand a mic to everyone before questions happen. All right. Our. Our interview this evening is jazmine hughes. She is a story editor and writer for the New York Times magazine. She is a 20 recipient of the next awards for journalists under 30. She will be speaking with our featured author charlotte alter. She is a National Correspondent for time coming the 20162010, 2020 election women in politics and the rise of the grassroots level. A work has appeared in the New York Times, the wall street journal, and she is appeared on good morning america, learning joe, the last word and cnns reliable sources. Her new book is a hopeful glimpse into a bright new generation of political leaders and what america might look like when theyre in charge. The book has received praise by multitude of fellow writers including and helen peterson, walter isaacson, rebecca traced her aunt amy chose a consent for anyone who has dismissed millennials or who cares about our country future charlotte alter footnote riveting essential book. In bringing to vivid life a young upstart who ultimately hurt our democracy, she has intimately given us another vital young voice that will shape our political future, hers. You are in for Something Special tonight. You have the chance to ask you questions after that. Please join me in welcoming charlotte and jasmine. [applause] thank you. Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much for coming out tonight everyone and congratulations to charlotte. Her book comes out today. [applause] charlotte and and i been frs for a few years now and some of them, it we both love gossip. So anyone who has cost about anything we would love to hear it at the end. Just come out right now. Can able here is okay by the way . Cool, cool. Charlotte, you work at a magazine. [inaudible] youve written a lot of cover stories, long future magazines. How did you know this was not a long magazine story and this is going to be a book . Such a good question. I mean, like, mostly because i pitched it as a Magazine Store and they were like no. But actually this started as a Magazine Store in some ways because they came out of this story i did in 2017 about the lineal mayors. Essentially the genesis of this project is that trump withdrew the paris climate agreement in 2017 and i went temporarily insane, and i just spent the whole day. I see my friend josh over there who was sitting next to me. Remember that . I was like anyway, that day i was googling about age and generations, and i was thinking like this guy 71. Hes the oldest firstterm president ever. He was elected by older white voters, overwhelmingly people over 65. Senators who wrote to him encouraging them to withdraw from the paris climate agreement were mostly guys in the 70s and 80s, and that day i was like this is the first shot in the generational battle. Its a generational war right now. The more i thought about it, the more i realize so many of the things trump was doing from his actions that affected young immigrants, to banning trans people from military, something that young people cared way more about that older people, the Climate Change to changing roles run student debt forgiveness, all these decisions were made by old white people that have just portions effect on young people and i was like, okay, im just going to look more into that. Oh, sorry. With my mic not on . Does that make sense . Oh, my gosh. Thats way better. You also have a super loud voice. [inaudible] am i cutting you off . No, im done. Im done. As someone who doesnt know a lot of like a noticed, what do millennials hold dear . Whats the difference . Ha ha ha. Such a good question. Listen, i dont want to generalize about all boomers because hashtag not all boomers, all that stuff. What i can say is what this book examines is sort of a fundamental shift away from a 20th century style of politics that was much more about , particularly like an 80s and 90s in the reagan and the clinton era was sort of like swinging to the centerright where you had reagan on the right and clinton in the middle and clinton was triangulating around what reagan wanted, which was privatization and tax cuts and all other things that are led to the situation we are now in where our universities are underfunded, where big business has run of the economy and with the social safety net is eroded for us in a way that wasnt for our grandparents. What this book is about is this sort of swing towards the left, which is not, for julie or unfortunately is not going to go as far as some progressives in brooklyn wanted to go. Its not like is a socialist utopia and it is our future and i can get into that later. But its about kind of like the pendulum shift and how the events since 9 11, from 9 11 through the wars in iraq and afghanistan, to the financial crisis, through obamas election, black lives matter, occupy, and in the rise of trump, all of those things have shaped the way millennials think about politics. That the way we define generations. Something you go into is the fact millennials, like the first major global event that something millennials experience was 9 11 side is that of an on the politicians . Everybody remembers 9 11. This generation its like where were you when jfk was assassinated . Pete buttigieg, for example, was lying in his College Dorm Room dorm room and defendant from his roommate and he went on like this long and like meditated walk where he thought about his generational purpose, which is very Pete Buttigieg thing to do. Aoc was a seventh grader and school got, school didnt get this this but a bunch of parents and her suburban came and got the kids in school to the school kind of like emptied out. When she got home from school her mom wasnt home yet as you turn on the tv and she saw the towers as she thought to herself, is my mom going to be home before the apocalypse . Part of the purpose of that chapter is to kind of get at like who these people are come with a background are, who the families are, what kind of situation they were growing up in. At least Elise Stefanik whose republican i have in this book theres a a couple republicansn there, she was a senior at a private school and upstate new york and one of her friends had a sister the work in the towers, and we found out about it, this girl obviously got incredibly emotional, and that, that was a huge moment watching her friend think that her sister was dead. Turns out the sister was not in the towers today and she was fine and the friend was fine and it was all okay. But everybody that i talked to had it on something that intense in terms of like watching some rethink their sister had died, something that, it was a moment for the period it jolted them. And make them realize america wasnt alone in the world. And then we go into these wars that further complicate and destabilize these characters, opinions of some of what americas role in the world is and how much we should be interfering in other countries business, and all those attitudes and for mouth millennials think about politics now. And you are not a politician. No. How did 9 11 affect you . Not necessarily with your political view. I was in seventh grade and we were taking a spanish quiz, and the nasa came on the loudspeaker, then he made as finish the quiz. Thats what i remember. [inaudible] yeah. And also when i got home from school, i grew up in new jersey and theres a sort of high point in mount clear as we went up to the high point and watched just like look at the smoke because it was, it was very clear even on the day that this was a major historical event that was going to be a significant break, a departure from the past. I think thats what i started the book they are because in some ways for people in this age group conficker the people im talking to, theres a before 9 11 and after 9 11, and millennials grew up in the air of after 9 11. Thats why its the beginning of the book. Another thing you set up in the book is theres like before harry potter, and after. I mean, i want you to tell everyone how like the Harry Potter Series affected peoples viewpoints and how to be a person in the world. Yeah. So the second this is fantastic. This is what i didnt want to do a reading reading because a new love you guys need to hear me recite statistics. The Second Chapter of the book is called harry potter and the spawn of the boomers. Its mostly about all the ways that boomer parroting was fundamentally different from parroting of earlier generations. Just boomers, and this is my generalize take on boomers, boomers suck at almost everything except raising kids. They were super good at raising kids. They did not do well in terms of making our economy work for everybody. They did not address Climate Change when they had the chance. The did a lot for the activism in the 60s and 70s about justice and social justice, and actually those movements were not led by boomers. Martin luther king was not obama. Gloria steinem was not a boomer. A lot of the things boomers take credit for like peace and love, they didnt start that. They just kind of enjoyed it. [laughing] were on cspan right now. [laughing] but one thing that boomers really threw themselves wholeheartedly enters raising your kids and the truly intense and sort of intentional way. So thats why, like the word parenting it and even really a thing until the late 80s and 90s. All of this idea, all these ideas about enrichment and your kid has to have piano lessons and they have to this number of words before they are three and that you like go through 1000 books or they will be a literate. All those things are part of the boomer preoccupation with parroting. If a look of the culture of the time, its like parenthood, three men at a baby, mrs. Doubtfire, the genes that they were were called mom jeans. They were really into being parents, and so they raised these kids that were super, its what people think of millennials as snowflakes sometimes because, because they raised a generation of franklin overprotected, under endangered kids. You have to remember this is also the time when people started for the first time be really worried about the kid that he kidnapped. You couldnt like write your bike down the street because there might be a stranger and stranger danger and dont get in a car. All of that was new in the 80s and it was because of this new preoccupation with child safety. In that context this book is written that is about and under parented, over endangered, orphanage magical power. To say that Everybody Knows harry potter was a phenomenon but people dont understand that it was literally unprecedented in human history, this book. [laughing] there was an article written about jk rowling in like 2003 and is said at first we thought basically it was time, you know, theyre going to compare jk rowling to Charles Dickens but actually shes more influential and harry pot is literally unprecedented. This was a book and wasnt only that kids read this book once a cut over. Every kid read this book and then read it six more times over the course of a young adult because they read it when there were 11 and then when they were 12 and then they read the third book when youre 13, and harry potter sort of aged alongside a lot of these people. Im being very rambling but there are studies that show people who are fans of harry potter tend to have more progressive values, partly because the themes of the book are about tolerance and bring in social outsiders in rejecting authoritarianism and kids banding together against evil. At a notice like when i was interviewing a couple years ago now not the type of harry potter a lot. They were like yeah, rick scott is baltimore. Oh, my god, he totally looks like kim. [laughing] and it was just something kept kind of coming up in a really kind of mine away just people would sort of do these throwaway references like soandso is so like you know, maybe think of course this is something that still informs what people think about politics and power and morality. This was a cultural event that had never like happen before, like nothing is ever permeated childrens minds the way harry potter did. Of course they remembered. Did any politician should it have anything, did they sort themselves for you . They didnt. So aoc was really into it, according to her brother, and some monetary some of the younger ones were much more into it. Pete buttigieg was like that was before my time. Dan crenshaw when i i was liked you read harry potter what he was like, no. Obviously there are some exceptions and after and out ag cat got that nothing im saying applies a literally every moment. If youre like i didnt read harry potter. You know, thats fine. Were talking billions of people. Nothing will apply to everybody. Document some broad trends that apply to most people. In the way that 9 11 and harry potter and other things affected a millennial generation what you think will affect the next generation . Thats such a good question. One of the things i found in my research is a social scientists have shown that event you experience between like 18 and 26, give or take, determine your politics for the rest of your life. They might move a little bit, like if you buy property or youre starting your kids to school, that might change a politics round the edges but its rare for someone to go from like like a hardcore leftwinger to a hardcore rightwinger. In fact, what tends to happen is that popular president s attract young people to their party, and unpopular president s repel them. Thats one of the reasons right now Millennials Vote democrat because in the lifetimes they saw unpopular president bush, popular president obama and then another unpopular president trump. For gin see, i think Donald Trumps election will be a Pivotal Moment for gen z in the way that some of these other moms have been pivotal for millennials. I think about being 19 or 20 when donald trump is elected. That must really shape your conception of american politics. It must really shape your opinion about frankly who knows what theyre talking about. One of the other things i noticed is there were such a loss of faith in conventional wisdom after trump was elected because so much of the conventional wisdom said its definitely going to be Hillary Clinton, do not worry come shes going to win. And then all of the people who are supposed to know what they were talking about were wrong. Thats why so all this millennials being like, you know, the people in charge said this wouldnt happen and then it did. So they clearly are operating on old information and dont know whats going on. Were going to take the wheel, basically. I wonder what people, its hard because you reported what people thought about these views . A lot of them are getting their information from social media. Then youre reading newspapers, like i dont know, the New York Times that otilia hillary is going to win the 2016 election. What do they think about journalism . Thats a great question. I mean, its something that is challenging. I need people all the time who dont believe, dont understand journalism, dont believe journalism. Think that journalism is thick. Thinks that things are made of. Angst that, for example, journalists are in the habit of making up quotes, which is ridiculous. Its one place where i think its going to be really challenging because youre right, for a lot of millennials they get the new some social media, not only that, they get their general attitudes from social media. When they see a news story that challenges their general attitude, they are much more likely to think, thats all shit. Ive what iphone twitter says this but the New York Times says this. The New York Times is full of shit. S1 area that concerns me frankly because what happens when you surround yourself only with people think like you and reflect back to you what you already think is that your mind gets close off to things that might challenge that. There were some social media is good, use a lot of social media to get can you give us tips for those of us who [inaudible] how did you do all this . Okay. So basically if you can stock your exboyfriend common you can find auditions old facebook videos. I did come across one of the things i got really, really lucky with with this book was about the exact time i was looking at happen to be the time that facebook was encouraging people to do live video on their feeds, which by the way stays of their forever. [laughing] i mean, unless you delete it which aoc didnt. So now think of a journalist is trying to do what i epidurals was trying to do this for this time right now it would be a lot harder because a lot of the things that were put on Facebook Live in 20152060 i now put Instagram Live and that has delete after 24 hours. What i found was, for example, i had an interview with aoc asia talked about how much Standing Rock shape your politics, and rather than giving her recollection of it was great, i learned so much, i found 12 hours of live video of her journey to Standing Rock with her friends. That really was something that allowed me to see deeper into her thought process, like from the time she was actually there, what she was thinking and feeling and what kind of stacks that ate, what kind of music they listen to. All of that was so helpful in helping me paint a picture of that moment. Braxton winston who is a a City Council Member in charlotte, north carolina, i was really looking for somebody, again ts is a book that is about electives. Its not a book about activists. Black lives matter was such an important part of this generations social awakening suss looking for somebody to come from big at black lives matter activist deserving in elected office and Braxton Winston and charlotte, north carolina, did that. Not only did he do that, he also had recorded on facebook all of his time that he was in the street protesting against scotts death. There were videos of his time, you do, running away from smoke bombs and videos that what he was saying, where he was going, who said what you meant it was like, it was a bear. It was frankly part was figuring out how to record those videos because i was like once they know i can see them they will delete them. That was it for me. But i did figure it out. A great part of the book is like your comfort with millennials, because she is one. I want you to tell everyone about [inaudible] do you think obama couldve gotten the same reaction for this book . Haley stevens is a congressman from michigan, and one of the things that i got really lucky with is that i was sort of in like early 2018, 2017, early 2018 every other other political journalist was like trump trump trump. I couldnt, i couldnt do that. Not only could i not emotionally do that, i did that any sources. I wasnt like sourced up in National Security in d. C. I was just never going to get those big trump stories. I was like okay, they are doing that. Im going to see if there any interesting young people around who are running for office and like who knows . Haley stevens is a good example of what it means to get there early. Because i met haley when she had not yet won her primary, and i called her up and she invited over to her moms house and a mom has all these like really weird paintings of like skeletons, rat skeletons and stick skeletons. Her mom is a painter. Shes so nice. I went over to the house and we ate a big bowl of grapes and we talked. She showed me all her rat skeletons and then hayley came in and we talked for a long time, and then its amazing what people will do when you ask them. So she was telling me, as asking her about her use of technology in which you got a first cell phone. She said let me check. I have it in my journal. She pulled out this box of her old journals and i was like, can i read some of them . She said sure. So that i spent the rest of the day like reading through her old journals with her and then going through this big box of stuff from when she was working on joe bidens campaign in 2008. That was an example of a villain reason is able because she wasnt yet taken seriously as a congressional candidate and she did not have a press person with her or any of the of the people with her who would say, like, no, you cant let your reporter, a reporter reach your childhood journal. Dont do that. It has been really interesting. She is fantastic and been really interesting to watch it now pitches a member of congress. She takes it extremely seriously, now when i talk to her, what i say howdy think about this but shes like well, if its whats good for the people of michigan 11 dizzy, its whats good for me. In some ways its really interesting evolution watching so make away from being like kind of normal person just sort of like me, to being somebody who is elected representative of the American People and watching what that does to the presentation and the personality and watching somebody become that was really interesting. The same thing happen with you and mayor peter essentially. Mayor pete was always the same. Laugh expert he wanted to live in d. C. Tell us the straight. I first met mayor pete in 2017 when i was doing this mayor story. He was already working he was thinking about running for dnc chair, and so he was telling about here just gotten this dog and the dog was named truman. I said why did you name the dog truman . He said well, harry truman said if you want a friend in washington, get a dog. I was like, you live in south bend. [laughing] so whats that about . Well, dnc chair, definitely, for sure. So it was very clear from the first time i met him. First of all, that he has raw political talent, trade neck. He is incredibly talented. Second of all, that he definitely had his eye on something bigger than south bend at first i thinking anybody else it would be that dnc chair, but then in late 2018 after had already run and lost for that, i kind of swing by and visited him on this midterm road trip i did, and we drove around the whole city. Its interesting, evil asked me about pete and people think that pete is fake and really practiced and sort of doric he is, he is objectively dorky. People have a lot of kind of, i dont how to put it except for like people just dont like it, dont like whatever his personal effect is a lot of the time. I find myself having to expend to people that so much of this of his affect has to do with being in the closet for 33 years, because he, you know, e knew that he was gay am a super young age. He also knew that he wanted a political career from a super young age and so from the time he was literally three years old, people who knew him when he was three years old said he is exactly the same person as he is now. Is my goal for couple of weeks i was like look at him people in high school said listen, you wouldve thought people would have made fun of him, he wouldve thought he wouldve been annoying youd be mr. Brown knows, whatever the people actually really liked him and did not tease him, and respected him thought he was a nice guy. He was able to pull off this incredible thing that he was a super dorky, gay, only child was sucked at growing up in south bend indiana. He was liked and respected by his peers. [laughter] host so we just talked about this but you tried really hard to not look millennial liberal. He tells about that . One of the things i think is happening now in particular, especially since Bernie Sanders does have such a solid millennial base, as people kind of think, god, all millennial socialists. In fact its a little more complicated than that. The actual registration for the democratic socialists of america is way up, way up from 2010, like it certainly has increased a lot while Bernie Sanders has been running for office but 35000 people which could fit in side fenway park. Its not true that every millennial is a socialist. In fact, what is true is that some of the ideas around socialism have just, lost their sting people are more moderate, once a different deal but dont call themselves a socialist. They could want Medicare Fraud but they dont get into that. I do know it is important for everyone to realize that the young people in particular, who switch seats in 2018 were moderates. They were people like haley stevens, or Lauren Underwood in illinois, or Staten Island just over here, or katie hill, who had that big millennial flameout with her noon, the first but not the last, those were people who actually flipped a seat from a republican. Those are people who are not actually in the Bernie Sanders wing of the party more the barack obama wing of the party. Thats all it a lot of this book is about. As the tension between the obama style millennials in the bernie stout millennials. The last chapter is about pete and aoc, how they kind of represent these two different anchors, and thats what i mean by the pendulum swing to the left. Pete been a judge is a aoc is a laugh. Pete being in the centers pretty far to the left. That means the more conservative option for somebody who wants universal healthcare, its not necessarily medicare for all. They want Climate Change, they want a huge amount of funding for college education. The idea that that is now the moderate the conservative position, shows how far milind and chet millennials of swing the pendulum to the left. Sue beck you describe aocs progressive activism and petes technocratic, these are sort of the diet is of the party has moving forward. How do you think this is the years will go question asked back right now that his ears at our full unkindness activist. [laughter] thats one of the things, there is this book that i cite a little bit but im wary of getting too much into calling it generations is basically what they say in this book as there are sort of different, some generations are more civic minded than others. For example the greatest generation which is those who fought world war ii were civic glee oriented and millennials are cynically oriented to such kind of goes in the cycle. I dont member the exact orders. Traditionalist, boomers, xers,. Yes but what they basically just go all the way back to john adams. So i didnt think there generation cycles . So is advised by skim the book. Its like the generation from 1721 to 1758 is this. Im like okay thats not relevant lets move on. [laughter] what they found was basically these things go in cycles. So every four generations you have a release civic minded generation. That also every four generations you have a very activists minded generation like lets mix it up. Then between those you have the smaller generations like gnc and shed acts that are only cite this book a little bit with her all very young how many do we know young people going running out for office right now. Gen x is just where theyre at they could right now its the Sunrise Movement and march for our lives are absolutely changing the world im sorry weight those are jens ears. Civic how much of the cytological values are about the generation and how is it how old we are . Will we get more conservative and change as we get older . So i think it has to be at particular age of the particular time. What happens is again, people taken all this information with other 20s and they say who am i . Who am i in the world . Once they figured out its like cool, figured it out. People are not necessarily looking for political awakening in their 50s or 60s. That is why for example that early people that 1980s they voted for Ronald Reagan in those same people now are the people who voted for donald trump, 30, 40 years later. Its not really about being young and aging, its about what happened when youre young and what it did to your politics and how you kind of keep that moving forward in your own life be when we got away from questions asked you earlier. So its like yes but i dont think they would. [laughter] l c host you think it will resonate with an older person . Guest i think an attitude i have that maybe boomers dont necessarily have, is that this stuff its like this stuff matters, people who are not necessarily already in power, still matter in our political system and their stories dont matter and that somebody like Lauren Underwood who was a freshman member of congress whod gotten zero actually the center, lauren its got some real legislation through because she has been a real advocate for black Maternal Health crisis legislation. Some of his freshman, prescient members of congress dont have a ton of accomplishments under the belt especially when Mitch Mcconnell runs the senate. Think a lot of boomers have the attitude like call me when they actually get something done which is there, but i think i was looking at it in a way that this still matters, because they are stepping up and they are representative of something bigger. Even if they dont necessarily have the payoff that one might expect yet. So i think a lot of boomers, especially boomers with politics are so focused on the people already in power that they forget to look for the people who are not in power yet. Those are very interesting stories. Host i had my fair party or book which is how you describe just how old people are. [laughter] Mitch Mcconnells older than jonathan cookies what is your paver uncheck favor partier book . Guest i like that part of the book too. Is jackie rossi are . I want to shut up jackie because jackie helped with research in the beginning of this whole process. I have like so many total meltdown freak outs wide meltdown and jackie would walk me through it she also helped me make this big spreadsheet where we had age, name, zero no so we had when people were born and we also had common household inventions. [laughter] so we could see like Mitch Mcconnell, older than the hula hoop. [laughter] nancy pelosi was nine when Color Television was invented. [laughter] this is off the top of my head so dont quote me on that one. That was really fun. Try to think what my favorite part is. I really liked i really like this part about aocs trip to standing lock because it was one right just got to focus on these videos. And the dynamics between her and her friends. Her evolution and what was going on with her, and i did not have to bring in all this other data and research that and finding Braxton Winstons videos were the most fun part of this whole thing, that was when i like i found the thing i need. [laughter] i think that might be my favorite part. Also, learning that Chuck Grassley was five years old with a Chocolate Chip Cookie was invented. [laughter] that literally for the first five years of his life chuck would you like a cookie no chocolate in it . I dont know if that is. [laughter] like can you believe that this man is making policy the 21st century . Host this is my last question for you and that you guys are can ask her questions. What is the juiciest piece in this book . So i almost dont want to tell you because its on page 150 theory and you are only going to know it. Host if everone promises to buy the book, youll tell us. Okay okay okay i need to do this carefully. Elise stefanik is a millennial republican congresswoman who, when i was writing this book was kind of doing a little dance around being moderate around trauma and criticizing him but also embracing him and sort of during both and then during impeachment she took a hard right turn and is now very much on the trump train. She and Pete Buttigieg were at harvard at the same time, theyre both in the institute of politics, there is a rumor i heard from three people that they went on a date once. [laughter] when i asked them about both of them said no, no, definitely not. It was just friendly coffee. [laughter] they both deny it. [laughter] but, i think it was they sort of see when one person thought it was a day the other didnt. Guest it was maybe a date and a divided check qaeda date, so i asked pete about it i said did you go on a date with thin his face was like. [laughter] so, maybe. It was a maybe date. They did say they had a friendly coffee. So make that about what you will. [laughter] host does anyone have questions for charlotte with a mic and going around so just reminding you we are on cspan2 say hi to my grandma. [laughter] guest , got no questions. I am shocked that you brought up the fact that Standing Rock and some social movements that had impact on younger people, whether similar or radicalizing events on the right with crenshaw or look at that totally different . Guest great question for theres not a comparable Youth Movement on the right in this. Period theres a tea party, but the tea party was very old. What i found interesting, that occupied black lives matter, glad youre asking about it because i want to make this point. They did something really, really fundamental that people did not understand at the time. When journals were covering occupied black lives matter, black lives matter in particular there is a lot of where is Martin Luther king junior, where is malcom x, take me cheerleader. [laughter] there is an idea that social movements would exist like they did in textbooks. It will be like festival rights movement, this person the leader, actually this 21st century were very leader for. And everybody was a leader and nobody was a leader, everybodys making decisions and nobody is making decisions. And that meant it had a lot of positives fall since of negative hard for some these movements especially occupied to settle on specific goals that would be actionable. And like move the ball in some tangible ways. But it also meant that it just change the of what political power looks like. The may put in the book as it used to be political powers like a portrait, heres the person whos in charge of this. And these movements made it more like a pixilated image, more of a chuck were all these old dots were all part of it, and he did not have just one person that represented the whole thing. But on the right, its really important to note particularly for some like dan crenshaw, what is making summer republicans, because some Young Conservatives lead to the right and a lot of it has to do with left wing overreach, particularly on College Campuses and Political Correctness and micro aggression. Theres a lot of sort of moderate to concerted engine conservative leaning young people who probably come if you set them down and talk to them, have pretty similar attitudes around some of the core issues like Climate Change, racially quietly and chatty quality, or gay marriage, but are really turned off by the vibe of the confrontational sort of pc police vibe and thats why youre seeing on College Campuses this sort of Free Speech Movement would probably be the most the closest why youre asking about. This idea of people should be shutting down people who disagree with them . In some ways the sanctimonious left is the thing thats most driving some young people to the right. You talk about this a little and youre looking to book your time of the age of the politicians and aoc was one of the youngest ones and you got the very old man Bernie Sanders is the oldest and he is by far the stronger support from the age group you were writing about an age group after that. And Pete Buttigieg, has very little support from people our age and his support is from boomers. I wondered you kind of make it that . As something idiosyncratic about Pete Buttigieg or whats going on your customer. Guest yes, i can get into that a little bit in the last chapter. Its definitely counterintuitive. This two things going on, i think Pete Buttigieg in particular is kind of an old persons idea of what a young person should be. [laughter] and so he appeals to a lot has very good grandson vibes. A lot of people, a lot of older people in particular thanks he is such a nice young man and that is very appealing. Listen, under esther eight unchecked underestimate how your peril. For many voters to go from a known name man of nothing indiana to winning the Iowa Caucuses by a tidy hair according to the delegates is an unbelievable trajectory, right . Those voters matter. We are totally right, Bernie Sanders is his candidacy is fortified by his popularity with young people and both millennials and genz. Thats why say this election is generational and the matter how you slice it. If pete comes out on top hes an youngest nominee if bernie does its because of his support with young people. One thing i found on the trail recently, which really isnt in the book, is older people and younger people think of age differently. And its not the way you would expect. I kind of expected that younger people would be like hes too old and actually its the people in their maybe 60s early 70s themselves to actually know what age means who may be slowing down themselves and thinking i am 65 and im having trouble running after my grandkids, how could somebody is 15 years old and may be present at the United States. Or i am 67 and i have trouble remembering where my car keys are, should somebody a decade older than me have the nuclear code . [laughter] those are the people who i think have more trouble with the idea of a really old person being president because they understand what age actually does to your mental faculties and physical capacity. And i think a lot of young people dont have that understanding so they kind of think to themselves, well, bernie agrees with me on the issues and a lot of my book is laying out why some many young people are with the bernie on the issues, like why they want medicare for all why they what a new deal, why is inequality so important to them, because they dont nestle have an understanding of age and how it affects your ability to do the job. It does not bother them as much. Does that make sense . I have a very millennial question. You mentioned that 911 and harry potter, those are pretty big events. Are there some smaller or maybe less pronounced events or cultural phenomenons that make millennials unique from their counterpart . Guest thats a very good question someone little when i get at in the book a tiny bit, i think is interesting is that zerotolerance policies for bullying in school. That is something i think you can really draw a direct line from people our age were the first people to grow up in an era where if a kid pushed another kid on the playground it was like youre expelled. For parents it was just kids being kids and everyone is going to get called nays and everyone can get bullied and bullying is just part of childhood, whats the problem . For millennials and this is part of the boomer super parenting kind of thing, bullying became this humongous problem. And you had zerotolerance policies and school which had two effects. One, more pernicious effects at that as it unfairly targeted black and brown kids in a way that push them into the criminal Justice System and exacerbated all kinds of existing racial inequalities, which we all know about now. They were not cleared the time. These kids black and brown kids in particular were over discipline and punish her stupid Little Things like throwing a pencil at somebody or pushing semitic, or calling somebody name, and they would get kicked out of school and often end up in some kind of juvenile program that would then set them on a totally different path. For tiny little thing that should not of had that big of an impact on their lives. But the other kind of more broader effect that i think it created a social system where you could have radical punishment and officers tatian for small crimes. The idea that somebody would be expelled for calling somebody name, is not that different for making a bad joke. I think you can draw a line from zero pol mentioned tolerance policies and School Discipline to what we sort of half jokingly call cancel culture now. Where this is idea that one strike and youre out, there is no room for error, theres no place for forgiveness. And this is a punishment structure what that was imposed on millennials by the parents and by their school administrators. So i think theyre sort of a connection between those two things, but i have not quite proven it. Does that make sense . Anyway. Guest theres no more questions await this one on the back. You can shout, i can hear. [inaudible] guest you talked about the next Generations Trust of the media or lack thereof. How do you see the next generation getting media and also shaping that landscape . Guest thats a good question i do think the next generation is getting their media through social media. I do have to say the fake news problem is a boomer problem. Boomers are the people who see totally fake news on facebook and are like oh my god did you see Hillary Clinton is a pedophile . Millennials are much more sophisticated about interpreting online information and knowing whats true and whats not. Theres a lot of distress, a lot of skepticism and a lot of bubbles, ascendant these kind of total wacky fake news conspiracy theories, are kind of germinating more in the boomers phase those are less digitally native. If i knew her the is going to get their media i would be really rich pushing of the answers that question i think print will definitely be a part of the conversation forever, but i do think that it is going to be mostly digital and mostly on social media. I think one of the big things that news organizations are going to have to deal with is how to navigate the social media waters were so easy for Bad Information to flourish and so hard good information to fight back. Thats for semi smarter than me to it figure out. So to fill younger politicians today are held to a higher standard because they grow up a social media . If you super speaking to us millennial politicians you see them harnessing or using this as a liability they are always concerned about . Guest it is interesting there are some people for example, probably now that they know im digging around in their old facebooks, are like thats not great. But also, one of things the mayor of ithaca said to me was we grew up knowing that everything would be put on the internet will be found by somebody. And in some ways, thats another thing i think is unique to millennials, and maybe not true of trend genz, they put something on facebook and it would live there for year were now people are doing ticktock, an Instagram Live, and they are making Digital Content about their lives thats designed to evaporate and not live there for ten years, for some nosy journalists like dig up. Theres also that awareness and its one of those reasons like someone like aoc emerged as naturally talented or even somebody like pete who grew up in front of the camera, having an experience of knowing how to talk to a camera, knowing how to talk to an audience. In some ways the same skills you use in communing with hating the people on facebook about a party or having, are not that different from the skills you would used to run for office. You need to be talking to a lot of people, you need to be delivering information, you need to be presentable in a certain way, i think earlier generations, there is more of a learning curve in terms of developing a public space. For a lot of people our age, because of social media, everybody has a public space people are more public than others but there is not anyone who doesnt have a public facing persona unless you completely swear social media whatsoever. So i think that has made it easier in some ways for some of these people to navigate fame because fame is not just for famous people, that makes sense. I dont thats a little weird i dont if that makes sense. [laughter] what would you say is one of the most surprising or biggest ways having more millennials in elected office is going to change the way politics happened or the way we all experience the political system in the next decade or two . Guest i love this question. I think is a couple big things that will change. One is that there will be certain issues on which we will stop arguing on whether its a problem and just start arguing the best ways to fix it. Climate change is one of those. Young millennials think that is happening, no its created by humans, they just have different ideas on the right way forward and they want a more marketbased solution. That will be the battle. Where is now, you have people like jim inhofe in the senate whose 83 and came to the floor of the senate with a snowball to prove that Climate Change isnt real. That is not going to happen when millennials. That is one thing. I also think theres going to be actually started the book thinking theres going to be a little bit more bipartisanship among millennials and i think there might be a little less now. I do think there is a lot of polarization and that is exasperated by social media. But i think that we i think with more millennials in power, we will be seeing more people like aoc or dan crenshaw who sort of exists as members of congress but also sort of celebrities. Like figures. And it will be more about the kind of theres a celebrity aspect to the way these people present and the way they exist in the public eye. I think will be seeing a lot more of that and a lot more kind of stage not stage, but a lot more drama if that makes sense. And a lot less backroom dealings. I also think theres going to be a couple, particularly had i put this, i just think the agenda is going to change. Its not necessarily we are going to definitely get to a new place, but right now for example Climate Change is a back burner issue because we have a government that is dominated by boomers and people older than boomers like silent generation people who just dont think that this is that important. So when millennials are really empowered its going to be a front burner issue. Income and inequality will be more of a front burner issue. Education funding will be more of a front burner issue. Im not trying to say that when millennials arm power this and say good be a good deal and free college. Again, there are many conservative millennials and even more moderate millennials, but im just saying these issues that are kind of on the back burner going to be brought to the forefront, i think. Host i think thats all the time we have thank you very much. [applause] [cheering] you did such a good job. Host thank you so much charlotte for that awesome discussion, if you have not gotten your books yet they are Still Available to register were going to start the signing line right here and go single file towards the back. Thank you all for coming. [background noises] so heres a look at some books being published this week. New york times Editorial Board member jussie wegman argues the United States should get rid of the Electoral College and let the people pick the president. In some assembly required, university of chicago biology and anatomy professor neil shubin reports on how new science is explained in the evolution of different species. And an ending parkinsons disease, ray dorsey and todd ceo of the Michael J Fox foundation for Parkinsons Research offer a plan to help prevent the disease and improve treatment and care. Also being published this week, university of Illinois History professor peter recounts how a fracture germinate led to the rise of the third reich. And hitlers first 100 days. In the book faster, neil chronicles the life of 1930s french racecar driver, renee dreyfus. Was prohibited from joining german race teams considered having the top drivers and cars due to his jewish heritage. And an depths of despair in the future of capitalism, Princeton University economic professor and case, and nobel prizewinning economist deaton argue capitalism is fatal to americans working class. Look for these titles in bookstores this coming week, and watch for many of the authors in the near future on book tv on cspan2. Tonight, on after words, former deputy National Security advisor kt mcfarland gives insight into the nations political process and the Trump Administration in her latest book, revolution, trunk, washington, and we the people. She is interviewed by author and columnist danielle mcglocklin. So we are very dynamic country, demographically, geographically socially, we are causally reinventing ourselves, not just as individuals but as a nation. And government, by its very nature is stuck it is a status quo institution. This is how weve always done it were going to do things the same way again. It is people who then get stuck in that status quo. America set up to have these revolutions, political revolutions, we had went in the very beginning and the American Revolution but ever since then weve had revolutions that played out in the battle box and thats it were coming up. So watch kt mcfarland, revolution trump, wehe
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