Be up and july 4, 2026. Really . The only thing we learn from history as we have heard the cliche is that we learn nothing from history, and this is a ten players and great nations. The average length is 250 years. Some lasted longer like the roman empire, but all followed the same pattern to decline. Anand im on the among the chars that contributed to the decline were Massive National debt. The United States is a 23 trillion. And growing. Just the interest on that alone is greater than the Gross Domestic Product of some nations. He didnt talk about cutting a single Government Program or the increase of spending. This is the only nonpartisan thing that happened is spending. You can always get agreement on more. The second to the decline of great nations into superpowers and empires is uncontrolled immigration without assimilation. We want people to come to america but we want them to come legally and in an orderly fashion and then to be assimilated like the immigrants of the pasemigrantsof the past y american, not hyphenated as we have too often today. Then theres the loss of the moral sense contributing to the decline of the great nations. And America Today as it is written in the song in the 1930s, anything goes. And if you say stop or this is too far, you are immediately denounced as one of many, so a im not wearing a sandwich board that says the end is near and parading around with while america is a great nation, there are certain seeds that are being sown for the destruction, and we have to renew the values that the greatest generation we have been living off of by inertia for about the last 60 or 70yearsold and died for. Host to that point do you say they are in peril of right and wrong and higher authorities than our own experiences. When i look around the country i see people mostly trying to do the right thing. So where do you does society going wrong . Guest we are virtually tolerating everything now. You take a look at the value of human life since roe v. Wade there are other challenges now. In chicago, baltimore, major cities there are ten, 15, 20 or more every weekend. So many now but it hardly even makes the news. This is how cheap license becomes in america getting shot and killed because driveby shootings, i wanted the Leather Jacket or expensive shoes and now we are seeing in the debate over health care that we saw during the Clinton Administration when president clinton put his wife in charge of reforming health care in america called hillary care, the pressure to save money is going to be so great that once you devalue human life in the one hand, the pressure to devalue that the other end and in between if you are too old according to the government and if you are not contributing enough of the taxes and taking more than you are getting come it will start at the extreme. But once the precedent is set like doctor assisted suicide in some states, particularly on the west coast, that is a very slow start to the next step. One of the things i mentioned in the book also is the goal of millennial end of the transcendent also contributes to the decline of nations into superpowers. You have to have a reason for living on this earth besides getting up, going to work and by stuff. Theres got to be more than that but 20 of millennial have no religious affiliation at all. So i think that is a disturbing trend whether you happen to be religious or not. Host a lot of conservatives, and im sure you are familiar is that the little foolish . Guest there is no lifetime guarantee and as the i argue ine book a lot of these other places to the roman empire for example they thought they were going to be around forever but they follow the same pattern as these other nations over extension, military experimentation. One of the other things that contributes to the nations decline is military overreach. George mcgovern and the democratic president ial, south dakota a friend of mine said during the vietnam war we cannot be the policemen of the world. Now to his great credit, president of trump has been jawboning not only the Nato Alliance that others have benefited for decades from the American Nuclear umbrella especially in you to pony up and pay more and provide more troops to their own defense. So hes certainly on the right path of that issue. Host you go through a different empires. Some people might find it tough. What do you see that is similar . Guest greed, envy, entitlement, military overreach. You cant change human nature and looking at the history of these various empires into superpowers to say okay to. They all suffered from the same internal dysfunction and if we dont learn from and by the way this is why the sense of the transcendent and being accountable to god is important for the extension and life of any nation. Host you say that there are cycles and you compare it. Right now we are in a cycle. What does that mean exactly and how do we know that we are there . Guest by the late british diplomat the final stage of collapse, lincoln talked about this and said america is to fail it wholesale from within before. Host can you refresh with that is exactly . Guest the gulags and so many others was a prisoner in the soviet union and he was finally released and came to america as i am trying to do in this book there is no lifetime guarantee nomination and to get back, theres a common denominator and controlled assimilation. There is a loss of the sense of right and wrong as yo we mentiod earlier. Now today if you say anything is wrong, behavior or whatever, you are immediately denounced as being one of many kind of folks and this keeps a lot of people from speaking out because they dont want to be denounced and criticized the National Debt the last time there was any serious addressing host why do you see that as an issue . Guest they are talking about more government and programs. But remember when paul ryan was the speaker of the House Committee came up with a serious proposal which everybody knew needed to be done but was afraid to talk about to reform Social Security and medicare, the two major drivers of the entitlement programs and debt which continue to grow. The commercial was created pushing granny in a wheelchair over the cliff. It was funny but it wasnt a serious response to what Everybody Knows must be done. The politicians of both parties continue to kick the can down the road. We need to reform Social Security. It should be means tested. The congressman from buffalo argued this years ago but anybody that says we are going to guarantee you will keep your Social Security. That sounds great but Everybody Knows that you cannot continue to spend and spend with more and more people retiring in fewer and fewer people working for the programs are going to be bankrupt. The politicians dont want to do anything about it. Kick the can down the road and they are afraid they will be denounced by paul ryan. Host hell do you think we can restore that . Guest younger people dont serve in the military and dont know anybody who did. Host my generation i have a lot of friends that joined the military after 9 11 and theres millions of people in active duty right now without the draft and so i do feel like when we talk about millennial beer swept under the rug because in the new generation people were drafted and they didnt have a choice. But my brother is part of the marine corps and saw a lot of loss and it gets swept under the rug as if they dont care and i think a lot of people do. Guest im of the mind i think everybody ought to do some kind of public service. It could be the military come it might be private, it could be in addition to the job. We ge get a part of benefits. The freedom we enjoy are not the natural state of humanity if you look around the world as i argue in my book, despotism, fundamentalism, denial of womens rights o, all these this seem to be the norm. We have to renew library books. They have to be renewed to legitimately continue the borrowing experience. Its the same with the values that build and sustain america. Weve been through the superior power, the great depression, the vietnam war and now we are facing perhaps the greatest challenge of all, terrorism and the growth of china and its aggressiveness around the world under the radar. They are Building Bases in the south china sea, they are building the basis and south america in the back door and nobodys really addressing these things so these values we cant live off of the inertia of previous generations who share them in this, god bless those who volunteer to but since then and for whatever reason some just volunteer to be to get their tuition paid for and we are grateful for them. There is something thats different maybe it gets back to the states. The whole idea of obligation to. Most of the world war ii generation is gone now. Being of the nfl. Those that came back were spat upon and demonstrated and treated as murderers and the rest. We havent seen an appreciation of those that have served their country with honor and distinction, those are the three things. We dont teach patriotism anymore. It might defend the people who come from other countries. Why did you come here if you dont teach these values and indoctrinate the virtues of. Im so curious because of your history with states and politics you did break with it when you saw it with power and it seems there are a lot of parallels today. Guest there are. I learned the virtues and morals dont come from the top down but from the bottomu bottom up ands been true not only in this country but virtually every other nation that is sustain a. I think that its something that can be transferred to others and a. I think you can argue in the Public Square without saying that you are trying to impose the biblical vow to veto values on people, certain things are common to all of humanity, treating others with respect, equal pay for women, the golden rule. Host that would be a good basis to start with. Guest you asked about the politics. Ive been in my column out almost 36 years. The. Things have changed a lot. Part of it is the 24 7 cycle and polarization i havent seen since the vietnam war and i would argue in some ways it is even worse. People dont know each other anymore, they dont talk to each other, they tune into radio programs and efficient to simply reinforce what they already think and they dont listen. Host . Lets have an unbiased look at it if it is producing the result of as advertised by the charter or the legislation and at a reasonable cost and kathy by the private sector, we keep it. And if it is not, we get rid of it. If it is working, great, but if your competition is selling more items than you are in your plan is failing, get rid of it or go out of business. Why cant we do that with government. The only proof of eternal life is the Government Program. It is here to kill a vampire than a Government Program. We cant even reduce the rate of dust and in much less actually cut it. There was a National Helium reserve when people toss it might be useful in the warfare and after the hindenburg explosion of the 1930s come, pan the expression, shot that found, but this is the problem. Once the program gets passed, they forget about it. The administration tried to get rid of the department of education and couldnt do it. You have the teachers unions and all this stuff. I think we need a top to bottom with the government, its purpose and the increasing loss of individual freedom as the government grows. Host i was struck on the questions of the government and the media. You wrote in a recent column that today evangelicals are perceived as many as as the Republican Party and especially President Trump. If members need to make a choice as to which one is better true master, they cant serve both. What made you want to write that . Guest a lot of my evangelical brethren. I love the policies and i think that they are working better than any president republican or democrat whether it is unemployment or employment across all demographics, whether its the stock market host was there a unified public government or thoughts when the pressure was released . Guest i mean in the beginning but started . Guest of course the first year or so democrats are still pressing president obama. The power is limited in some ways but above it ha above it hh consumer confidence, but you asked a question about the evangelicals for President Trump. In terms of issues whether it is prolife, religious freedom, second amendment, has been better than any republican or democratic president including ronald reagan. Now, do a lot of them like his personality or his language, no, but if theyve been given the choice in 2016 between hillary clinton, who was far less liberal in their minds and trump who may have been in perfect mortally, and arent we all at some level, but who appealed to them on the basis of the policies which they believe, and jesus said my kingdom is top of this world have so that is the higher kingdom and the eternal kingdom and all of the rest is just the best. Host im sympathetic to the voters that make that choice as many people said that between one or the other, but in washington there is a lot of christian republicans who have to make a choice about how they can serve the president who forces people to defend really tough things like unchristian like behavior. What advice do you have towards a faithful young person whos asked to serve the president might be uncomfortable with some of those things . Guest in terms of christian like behavior, im not 100 on that either. Theyve fallen short of the glory of god and are pressing on the upward wa way as the old baptist says. I think look, nobodys perfect. There are people in congress, our imperfect people, bill clinton certainly had his problems, jack kennedy was covered up by the media for all of the affairs he was having, but this is the kingdom of this world and how it operates and you have to look beyond that in some areas and decide on policy matters. Its too easy to say we are not electing a deacon or elder, okay and it would be great to have somebody that invites all these things like mike pence for my phone for 30 years. Hes a serious christian. He was made fun of when he said he wouldnt be alone with a woman unless his wife is present in a lot of people mocked him but then came the Harvey Weinstein scandal and all of a sudden exactly, nobody ever got in trouble for what they didndidand do. Host but with trump, mike pence is right there. Guest its funny because i dont know if i should tell the story host youve definitely got to guest the pornographer, larry flynt, but i knew a little bit because of the profession, not because i was engaged in any of the activities host you mean you just knew of him carry a guest i met him a couple of times. At fox he came in in his wheelchair and as i thought that they would be interested in something. This is when h what he was doing background investigations on conservatives and christians who were hypocritical. Host this is the clinton impeachment. Guest we offered a Million Dollars to anybody so, he said i thought it woul they would be id in something. We did a background investigation. We didnt find anything. I said my goodness. Personally approved by larry flynt. Host i guess that is a relief. Guest you were looking in the wrong place. Host you also reference romans 131 theres no authority and those that exist have been instituted to argue like impeachment and removal. So if you believe in the scripture as it is written does that mean any elected president can do whatever they like, barack obama President Trump guest we have a constitution and people swear to uphold the constitution and the bible. I think that there are several areas where they intersect, otherwise jefferson wouldnt say that all men ending the human race, not just males, or created equal and they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights and among these are the right to liberty and life into jefferson outlined the purpose of government is essentially as he always did. Did. He said to secure these rights, governments are instituted among them. The right god had endowed. Why is that necessary because as James Madison said if men were angels we wouldnt need all these laws. Arguing we need more gun control, tell me a law that lawbreakers okay but by their very nature they are not going to obey the law. This is an internal thing. Where does Authority Come from, it comes from god, even bad leaders. I cant explain header or stolen but when jesus stood before pilopilot in the senate and the greatest church state moment ever dont you realize i have the power of life and death over you and he responded you wouldnt if my father hadnt given it to you, end of debate. Host if President Trump were installed by god in some way or another if this was gods will come as a blessing or a guest i cant tell you. A very prominent evangelical leader said in 2016 dog showed up. I wrote in response who showed up when obama was elected. You cant say that. God isnt a republican. He put she puts people in office for his own purpose. If you look at the scripture Saddam Hussein himself after, there were a lot of lousy leaders in the scripture so you cant argue somebody only you voted for is gods will because that puts you in the place of them are just the first by the way. Host there are a lot of enoh faith abiding republicans who feel they have to go along with anything trump does. To that point, Jerry Falwell junior was asked by the Washington Post is there anything that he could do with s from you or other evangelical leaders and hes had no. Thats the shortest answer ive ever received on that. Guest he said he has such strong evangelical support. Host do you think that is because people are still afraid to trust the democrats . Guest king david had the best hawaiian on this. But not your trust in the kings so basically dont trust him. We have leaders, i have my preferences, you have yours, everyb