Want to watch them in their entirety, visit our website booktv. Org. Ocess our archives by using the search box at the top of the page and search the economy in books. Good evening, everyone. Im so gladt. Youre here today. Im going to say a few words about this before i welcome tonights guest. For a moment of history, it was found 93 years ago by my grandfather, benjamin. [applause] he founded the store in the area known as grow along 4000 around the corner from here. Theres a storm of the depression and he fired the altar by surviving all the other 48 book stores. The store was passed on to my father who grew the store through popularity, he never thought it was possible. Now i am the owner and critics set as a woman, it is going to be hard to front the store and i get wiped out by this digital age. So i want to thank you in the book Loving Community in this audience for helping us not only survive but thrive through the ages. [applause] it is impossible to read tonight book, watergate girl without drawing parallels to todays headline. The crossroads of the watergate scandal and the Womens Movement stood a young lawyer barely 30 heres old and hit the only woman on this team that prosecuted the highest ranking superficial, missed a failing marriage, having her house robbed and privacy invaded, she brought against the sexist preconception to receive the respect according to corded to her female counterparts. Tonight author, jill quine thanks is an msnbc legal analyst who began her career as an organized crime prosecutor as the u. S. Department of justice. D ues also served as general counsel of the u. S. Army, solicitor general and Deputy Attorney general of the state of illinois. Shes operating off the american bar association, the first woman to hold these positions in each role. In conversation with joe tonig tonights smile widely, nationally renowned expert on Racial Justice and equity. She has litigated lobbies, the u. S. Congress developed programs to transform Structural Racism in the u. S. And south africa. Maia is currently a University Professor at the nearby school university. She is also a legal analyst for nbc news and msnbc. I also want to think brody for being in the audience, wonderful agent. I want to give a shout out to cspan for being here tonight. [applause] without further ado, please join me in welcoming pioneering wom women, jill quine banks and maia wiley in the watergate girls to the stand. [applause] thank you and good evening. Thank you for being here. I am so excited to be in this conversation with joe whos my sisterinlaw. [applause] yes, she is. Okay, that is not literally. But in spirit. It is such a pleasure to read this book and i hope you all have purchased this and if you havent, you will. I just wanted to start with the why you product. I dont mean the y in the sense of its an important set of stories but why did you write it . Jill let me know recently she started it in 2008 in case you thought she just started it00 because of donald trump. [laughter] i did, i started in 2008 when i theoretically retired. Obviously i feel that retirement but i flew from retiring friday to italy to be with good friend who unfortunately are flying back into landing tomorrow so they arent here tonight. They said, weve always said you should write a book. What is your excuse now . Boy said you are too busy. I had run out of excuses. So i started writing a book. Then i sort of dropped it, i got an agent who had a different vision for the book that i had and i rewrote it to his specifications and i was lucky enough for his book. In the middle of the room there, agreed with me that the focus was wrong and i refocused it. Was the wrong focus . He wanted it to be all about the hurdles i had overcome. High heels is todayss pin. The hurdles womens face. He had me write a whole chapter summarizing my personal journey. I thought it would be woven into the story if he thought it would be the story. Publishers came back saying if it is more about watergate, we would like to publish this. But not all about this personal stuff. So he never got published and then i was lucky enough to get on msnbc and i spoke to him again saying maybe its different now that i have a platform and we just didnt go forward with it. Then my lawyer, shepherd are you here . Over there. Introduced me to flip and he agreed and he got re written and paul, where are you . Paul, my editor whos the best think that ever happened, just wonderful. He really got the story, i can tell you you may not want to do this because hes a man. He may not get the story but paul got the story. He asked me the most interesting question, he said where you seek your book on bookshelf . I said i dont understand the question. He said, i mean, what book do you think it should be like . Except captain grahams biography, i love that book. He said anything more modern . [laughter] i said katie first book, unbelievable. It captured the era, the campaign that captured her unique and interesting back story. He said thats a good answer, no wrong answer but i see this is a combination of all the president men and hidden figures. The minute he said hidden figures, i went oh yes. Hes desperate. I tried to keep that in mind as i selected stories because i can tell you there are hundreds of hundreds of stories and examples of stories that arent included in the books but i tried to get the ones that personified that combination of the investigati investigation, getting the truth but also what it was like to be the only woman in the rope. How to start with the only woman in the room because, when you read this book, it really is this intertwined personal narrative around this really critical. In our history an important legal work that was central to protecting our constitution and one of the things that struck me we both went to columbia law school. But there were only six, you know. [cheering] but when you went, you were one of 15 women in the entire law school, which is in the book and when i quit, we were about 50 , close to 50 of the locks. Nobody said to you someone will die in vietnam because youb took their rightful place in the kclass and your keeping them fm getting it. Besides, you will never practice law so why are youou here . I definitely did not get that and thats why im not in prison right now. [laughter] and thank you for not murdering anyone but those kinds of constant challenges, and then hugo, you end up in the department of justice into arthur doing very serious cases, i would love for you to talk about getting to the department of justice because you originally were going to be paternalist and then you end up in the department of justice which is how you end up on the watergate team but in all of those things, the only woman. Can you just tell us about traveling that path at a time when women were not traveling . I started law school because jobs offered to girls and let me just say the titles not one i infected when i first heard i ii went girl . Im not having a book with the name in it. Then my editor pointed out how many best sellers have the word girl and it and i thought well, maybe its not a bad idea but also because it captures the era. I was called a girl, we were all called girl. It seems like a bad title but i was offered jobs on what was then a womans page is a journalist. I wanted to do it, i didnt want to report on social event so i read a book in college called gideons trumpet by Anthony Lewis of the New York Times and i remembered reading on the back jacket that he hadad gone to harvard possible. I ridiculously assumed that he went and was quite writer and it would help me. The editors would take me more seriously a journalism job so i applied to law school and also i had taken the lawaw words on a fluke in my junior year end i had never taken the graduate record exam so i couldnt go to graduate school in journalism so thats how i ended up in law school. After my first year, i thought there has to be a better way to get a job in journalism. I hated law school and if you dont want to be a lawyer, the first year is not, enough even f you want to be a lawyer but if you dont, it is torture. So i took a leave of absence and i got a job at the assembly of european nation, an Organization Called all the former leaders of what were then soviet countries, romania, etc. Which i now know from research for my book with the cia so i was a cia, which i didnt know until researching my book. [laughter] like me a lot better. [laughter] sorry. I am running as a biden delegate. Ea [applause] so i took the year off and scided i hated leaving anything undone, i start about, i have to finish it. I dont like a, movie, i do walk out. But anyway, i went back to possible and i had done very well the first year so i was in the National Competition the second year and i sort of liked that and then i did pretty well practice so i thought well, maybe i should pay back my Student Loans and i should get a job in practice and i was walking up and this is the seat of my life, networking. Its so important, when you read the book, you will see my first husband didnt fare so well. There are a few good things i could say, one of them was at his sister went to brown and visited us when we moved to washington i was forced to move while studying for the barr exam and came home and said i decided i wanted to get a job at the fcc, we are moving to washington. I accepted a job in new york, setting for the barr, so you get the picture of what kind of marriage i had. But she came to visit us and wanted to see her t best friend from brown, Jerry Mcdowell and he invited my first husband andi myself to dinner and he happened to be in the time section, somebody heard i was looking for a job, he said give me your resume, what . Boxes, happens to end up prosecuting mob bosses. But that was the reason they gave her why i ended up doing it, all lawyers in new york start in appeals which is a great thing because you see mistakes trial lawyers and ultimately, you dont make those mistakes. So finally, i had to figure out as an only woman, there is nobody i could ask what to do and i went to the big boss who ended up playing the role in watergate, we can talk about that later. I said so henry, how can the guys are trying cases and im still doing appeals . He said well, you are a girl and you would be much more vulnerable in the courtroom. In appeals, its just lawyers. The court room, would be with members of the mafia. So i said, you didnt notice my sex when you hired me . He said well, i dont know. Anyway, thats how i got my first trial but it was in alaska, i was far enough away and safe enough and let me just say that i could not wear pants after court, so im in 30. 0 alaska, there using flannel lined pants and im wearing a skirt. A woman there. But you get, you had to advocate for yourself. But then you got trials but now tell us how you get onto the watergate team. Youre already the only woman doing, trying these mob cases which is no joke. But then, one of the most sensitive politically explosive important historic investigations, early in the history of the nation, how does that happen . Festival, when it started, we didnt know it would turn out to be what was, it couldve been, anybody remember delegate . I dont even remember something about your jimmy carters brother, it couldve been that. We didnt know but i had been a justice for long enough that i felt so if i leave, i can go to private practice and if i dont leave, i wont be able to go into private practice because if you stay too long, law firms think youre too experienced and they wont hire you. It didnt seemed like that career l risk and high mentor, charles was the headhe of the organized crime section, and one of the, smartest lawyers in the history of the country, handicapping bill clintons white House Counsel during the impeachment and he was the one i went to alaska with by the way, he was the one who said yes, i have a trial and i want you as secretary. Heres my mentor, brilliant and fabulous. He was hired by the special prosecutor and gave my name to them and they called me in for an interview it was i one of the strangest interviews ive ever had. I walked into the office of jim who had come from harvard cox and he said when you ready to start . I said well, right now. He said no, start the m job. I said dont you have he said he wants me to start. Because my job interview. Is it i need at least a month and he said if youre sank back es be polite, he says we can clear it and you can start tomorrow. Ive been really worked two jobs for the first two weeks i was there trying to wrap up my cases and start at the watergate office. One of the things youre not only the only n woman, they had already decided they were going to hire you because of your record. Is a fairly short record and a lot of you were very young. But one of the things i wanted to get, so here you are, it has become clear this is an important big deal pretty quickly. Or at least have potential to be. By the time i started, mccord burglars but also for security to for the committee to reelect the president , and i wont call that from now had written a letter saying you are right. All the pressure you put on, you are right, we lied, other poli polite, hush money was paid to keep us quiet so was public by the time he was hired is pretty. This is not a third appraisal regularly, it wasnt political crime. So you could merge into something for. One of the things saint in the book, you know it is going to be important, you know its a kind of pressure and external pressure on you in additionit because youre the only woman that the pressure think the orman cannot fail. Second husband is good first has been not so much. One of the things you describe in the book is how emotionally and psychologically abusive your husbandal is and add the time when you carry not only the critically important case for the country but the pressure that you put on yourself. How did you navigate that . There are parts of the book where you talk about and wondering about your self. That is hard enough in High Pressure and high stress situations to the person you go home to at night taking you down a pay constantly how do you manage that quick. To be very good at compartmentalizing and that was my survival technique. I just put it aside. It was such a bad marriage i didnt want to be at home. I work really hard is something extra needed to be done i volunteered and was perfectly happy to do it. If i was married to Michael Banks i dont know what i would have done i like to be with him. Part of the reason i stayed in a bad marriage and part of the reason im sharing thiss story is because i think im not alone people blame themselves and in my era itra was my fault and within the power to fix this. I believe i was responsible for fixingfixi it. And then i got a good therapist who said this is not your problem. And it took me three years of seeing him before i was even willing to confront my husband how he treated me and all my friends on what wasni happening and not one of them said anything to me. Because they thought i would turn against them. I probably wouldve done the same. I am not judging them. But i thought people would be shocked we were separating. They said we dont know how you stay that long. [laughter] this one exchange that i had is in the book richard, my last day in washington before i moved to chicago to marry michael we spent the day walking around. We saw how he treated you and during watergate to find reasons to exclude thousands and we just didnt want him around. Obviously it was stressful andtr terrible im not sure i took the right approach to solving my problem but it was. What is interesting is you are the only woman on the prosecutor side but then the only woman on nixon side. Lets talk about her. I find it interesting. And you do have some sympathy for her. I do now and i did a little bit then. But it wasnt as in my a intellect as it is now. It is important. I would love for you to tell the importance how important she became to the watergate cast and how you became the prosecutor questioning her and essentially bust watergate wide open. It was a significant turning point for the case. It really turn the American Public against the nixon. He won 49 states in a huge landslide of the popular vote. He was a very popular president and did some good things. He passed title ix, open china, past the epa he had some good points maybe some moral failures significant. [laughter] and rosemary words what we then would have called a secretary really was his advisory you will see in the book i actually listened to some tapes unrelated to the crime were really she is advising him clearly more than just a secretary she was and rose to his two daughters. She was close with pat nixon, his wife i will divert for a second i was on fresh air and answering the question i said i really wanted to portray her as her family and friends knew her but nobody would talk to me they said stop calling people is too easy to hang up. Go knock on the door so i knocked on theeded door and it was slammed in my face. [laughter] so i gave up and decided i couldnt do it i hired someone i thought could be a journalist and not a polarizing figure that i appeared to be and that didnt work either. So i never got that side ofof it but i wanted to portray her as accurately as her family and friends knew her i got a phone call from her great her grand nephew and he said i will talk to you. I will tell you just one of the stories because there may be another part to add to the book from the stories that i am getting from him and one is he said my mother is the daughter of joe words the brother of rosemary woods. And my mothers younger sister was named rose after rosemary woods. I already had an aunt rose so i could not call her aunt rose. You are uncle rose so the whole family called her uncle rose and she had a great sense of humor she thought it was cute and funny and she accepted to be called uncle rose i. I talked to him for a couple of hours, every time he said his uncle rose he cannot call her aunt rose. [laughter] it was just a very weird circumstance. To one of the things that you that one that has happened john dean nobody believes john dean and how important she becomes as a witness because they say what john is saying about hush money with nixon is not true so they believe halderman but not john dean but you believe john dean but you have no corroborating evidence and the public leaves halderman. So tell us how she becomes pivotal and how you draw out the lie and the coverup. There are two answers the first thing we found f out that there were tapes and we knew we had to get them because of they corroborated what they have already publicly testified to in the senate, we had it made but if they didnt we were dead if there were anyre inconsistency halderman said that when dean said the president said i know i can get the Million Dollars halderman said yes but he didnt tell you he said it would be wrong. We got the tapes there was no it can be wrong he said i can get the money so we knew we had to get the tapes and corroborate. So we subpoena them there was a big hullabaloo we picked nine we knew we could show were partd of criminal most her conversations with s john dean. Them the president stonewalled paled in comparison to what is happening now but at the time was pretty serious abuse ofd his power. We didnt get them then i had a press conference october 20th on a saturday it just came up at that point to explain why we had a right to the tapes and why we needed them and the president said to his attorney general fight and set i promise the sun i would it must there was no cause im not doing it he was fired fired the Deputy Attorney general made the same promise that he was fired although there are questions if he resigned but it was irrelevant then the solicitor general order that was known as the saturday night massacre. Three days after that the public reaction the outpouring was amazing we got huge canvas bags of postal mail. Three days later the president said i will appoint a new special prosecutor and you can have the tapes. On halloween which seemed appropriate he went to court to say i cannot give you all of them to are missing. One was not recorded it was in the private residence the other one was a tape malfunction. But we did have a hearing to find out what happened and it really looked like that wasly correct. Just bad luck for us so now we were waiting for seven tapes then the day before thanksgiving l and his lawyers came to court and said we forgot to tell you there is a third problem there is an 18 and a half minute gap of the conversation that should have been subpoenaed and that the judge said we will have another hearing. And the first hearing we are trying to figure out who had handled the tapes to explain why they were missing, the white house was presenting p witnesses one of them was rosemary woods because she had handled the tapes. I felt by that time there were three of us and jim returned to nashville with his private practice with the promise he would come back if we succeeded in getting an indictment he would come back forr the trial so that left us in charge of the whole thing against the whitete house we were known as the childrens march against the wicked. [laughter] and rick is a very assertive and powerful and persuasive totally unlike me im organized and thoughtful we are a great team but i felt he was taking too many witnesses. He only has a couple more Years Experience than me and i was an equal playerer. I pulled him out of the courtroom and set im taking the nextn witness then we are sharing equally every other witness the next was called by rosemary woods as a chain of custody witness nothing significant was rosemary words i questioned her and by amazing foresight, by accident. [laughter] i asked a question like what precautions she had taken not to erase any of the tapes. She said i used my head she was very hostile the nasty. And then when the white house announced there was 18 and a half minute gap and there was no explanation and that only rosemary woods could explaininma it, i assumed she would stay my witness you dont change them in the middle. Now in his book he claims he question for the second time. If he was i have no knowledge i just prepared from the moment that she was guilty i skipped all of things giving and spend the weekend reading everything i could possibly read about her past testimony because there were no computers i had to go get the transcripts to underline and look at them. When she was called as a criminal suspect for the first time in my life gave the miranda warning because she was the suspect in a criminal case. Normally that would have been done by an agent not usually done by lawyers and court. This is the first time. We will open for questions. So one story i want you to tell us before getting ready with the questions i think a lot in the book are the inside stories you might not otherwise get but the fight that you have with leon whether to indict Richard Nixon. Again, we were 30 years old driven by justice and truth that we felt number one the evidence was overwhelming of the president s culpability and it was unfair to prosecute all hothe people who did his bidding. Believe me they were perfectly willing accomplices, but it would be hard for a jury toon convict them if the chief was not indicted with them and you have to be the unindicted coconspirator because so much evidence was his conversation so for that to be admissible in court he had to be a coconspirator. We were allowed to name him the unindicted coconspirator but he was not named inns the indictment is not named but you know who he is and a very well kept secret and it was locked up in the safe and was not revealed until the Supreme Court arguments for we had to say one of the reasons we needed the tapes he was the unindicted coconspirator. So when it got down to finally doing the indictments they said you cant do that there is the impeachment process that is the mature improper political thing. We said no there is nothing in the constitution, and there still isnt that says you cannot indict a sitting president. So finally we reached a compromise weakening of the unindicted coconspirator and allow the court to give us all evidence to the House Judiciary Committee which was conducting a legitimate investigation bipartisanship reasonable process they would actually act on the enevidence as opposed to now what i see the outcome is different. That is how we ended up having this fight and then we had it a second time because once he resigned he said okay he is not a sitting president why not now . And for the reasons i say in the book i still refused and as we fought ford became president and pardoned him and then that ended the because of pardon is a pardon and you cannot do it so we lost the opportunity to indict him. I wanted you to hear that for obvious reasons but the description of the fight. I am wondering how did you get woods to testify . Because no one in the Trump Administration will testify. That just seems like a norm that was lost. Thats a great question and really relevant to now. President nixon did believe in the rule of law to a certain extent. Obviously he was willing to ignore the subpoena and im not giving them to you but he did allow us to have witnesses. They all lied and went to jail for perjury,. [laughter] he gave us documents and allow them to testify. We also had white house calendars it doesnt so like a big deal but we could identify which conversations to subpoena we had specific information yth and in the book there is a complicated discussion whether or not haldermans conversation was within our subpoena clearly it was because we corrected the subpoena which originally said between 1030 and 12 we corrected 1025 through 1225 that clearly included the halderman conversation so with that kind of detailed records makes a difference and by netally stonewalling the Trump Administration no witnesses and let me say not just in terms of criminal cases he is not letting people testify for regular oversight if you want to know about children in taxes he is not letting l anyone testify that is separation of power to do oversight. Great question. Do you think there is enough evidence to have another article of impeachment . Evidence . Do i think it will happen . Know. At this point thats probably the right decision. It doesnt mean there will be an indictment within the administration the states could do it now. There are cases in the court that could the two tax returns leading to an indictment so yes i am hopeful at some point there will be some accountability that right now there isnt. Thats why it is up to all of o us to get out and vote. I dont care what youu do here. But if you can vote. For the left please. [laughter] if you cannot go to michigan and wisconsin in pennsylvania. That is where it could help. I am not campaigning in illinois because it is blue and im not worried about illinois i am worried about my neighboring states. S. Ne i do feel it is up to us. We do what we can to get the facts out but the people listening arein you. The people are not listening are listening to alternative fax which there is no such thing we are in serious jeopardy for democracy and i dont like being a downer but i do think it is a very serious thing and i dont know who the nominee is of the Democratic Party i am voting for him or her. [applause] what moment in the last two years was so heartbreaking and infuriating that you wanted to tell msnbc . What really made you mad . The list is so long but the most recent was listening to the vote on impeachment it was not ea or dna on dash every senator had to under the word not guilty even those that said the evidence is overwhelming, he did it but not impeachable that is a ridiculous argument. But at least they have an argument so for them to say not guilty, that was so painful to me that i was screaming at the television. It was beyond horrible. We have focused on the impeachment process but there was a special prosecutor. What is your view of mueller . Did he fail or do his job . That is from a law School Classmate of mine in front of my former husband. T[laughter] that he is my friend now. [laughter] you got here and the divorce. [laughter] and actually two or three of my law School Classmates are up a here . Are you here . Stand up. I want to say hello. [applause] its very exciting for me to see them. First of all mueller, its a shame he was allowed to btestify even if he did good we can meant he wasnt even if he was good he could not be as good as a live witness or even the investigators and lawyers working on the case the head of the investigation was superficial knowledge cannot do it and he already backed away from the conclusions i would have made if i were mueller so the facts are laid out even the conclusion isnt its clear that it was not a remedy at all but certainly in terms of obstruction there are thattable offenses in report you get the second term you would never be indicted but if not statute of limitations will run and he could be so there will be times that are within the statute of limitations. The department of justice seems to have been severely compromised what will it take to recover . A new administration and a new attorney general. I have talked to friends who work at the fbi, morale is really low and justifiably so the politicalization, when i was there i never felt a political decision wasnn made. And to make an argument this is why you should not indict my client and that is legitimate and helpful to the prosecution that you hear but if you make a mistake when it be better not to . It is not a bad thing nobody everer pressured me to act on it and made my own judgment when the department of justice cannot be relied on with that authoritarian rule. That is very scary because in the past the department is held to be independent if the president says i dont believe in antitrust laws and bigger is better and everybody should consolidatebo, that is okay. That is a legitimate thing to say in the same way that president obamasaid said i dont think we should be persecuting with immigrations that are going on that is a policy decision but if obama said i want you to prosecute this person that would be terrible. If he said do not prosecute this person were make sure they dont get a jail term that is being recommended within sentencing guidelines that would be wrong and that is what is happening now. Thanknk you. With respect, with respect, able to understand to some extent or how much are you able to understand those of us who do advise with trump . I tried to engage in conversations with Trump Supporters and im happy to talk to you afterwards. I have not gotten the factbased arguments that i deal with. I am very much of fact person so if somebody could say this is why i support him and this is what has helped me or american society. I could engage in a conversation but it always it just is because it is so s i cant. Because i see the hate he has unleashed im sure it was always there. I dont think he created it but he made it acceptable to say and do things that otherwise would have been totally unacceptable. So i am not as sympathetic but i am open to discussion and persuasion why i think he is dangerous and why it is a danger to democracy so lets talk afterwards. R] i have been following the russia situation a friend of mine is a moneylaundering researcher and works for someone his on the network on a regular basis. So i was aware of it. Based on all the information all of us know and then said we get all the money we need from russia. Do you think he owes russia multimillions of dol dollars and that is why he is such a pal . My information is the same as everyone in thisti room. I follow the news may be more closely than most people i am obsessive msnbc is never off it is always on its amazing selective hearing what i could tell us something i really need to listen to that i will perk up and rewind to the start. It does seem like Deutsche Bankot in russia have significant financial interest in him based on what he and they say if we get financial records we can know for sure if that is true. Why russia originally picked him is the person they wanted and it is clear to everyone in the room rush interfered in the election. Not ukraine, it is russia. That is clear and the Mueller Report lays that out clearly as well and the Senate Intelligence committee. So why continuing . I dont know dont forget all the meetings like the ones at strump tower and for foreign intelligence the federal election laws you cannotyt take anything from a foreign entity it doesnt have to be the government you cannot even take it from a citizen of russia o or france or england or allies. Something is going on for sure. Thank you. Out of curiosity i am wondering with the technology we have today if any fragment of that would be covered just to find out what that conversation was. Great question and here is the answer. First of all we know it didnt happen in the way rosemary said we also know there were eightep or nine separate erasures they erased and listened and they were listening and that it sounds bad and then they erased any raised. Every time new Technology Arrives they retest the tape. Also a man named Phil Mellinger came up with ther idea that halderman was a prolific notetaker and when i was questioning rosemary i had in front of me the yellow legal pad that we know the missing part is a watergate discussion because the parts we can hear and the discussion where pat nixons parents were married and then continues with a watergate discussion and then a brief set of notes. Normally he takes prolific notes so it is strange so they came up with the idea there is a missing page but now they tested it to see if there are impressions that do not match the words of above it. It doesnt seem to be so he did take short notes 18 minutes is covered which ie will say that does seem strange. But we know it was watergate and it doesnt really matter at this point exactly was said. It is clear on that day that Richard Nixon knew everything he needed to know and then on ithe june 23rd tape where he gives orders to use the cia to stop the fbi from following the money because they had random 100dollar bills on them when they were arrested they could have and were traced to a Campaign Donation check cashed in miami. It immediately would have said that creep paid for them so thats why they didnt want the money trail to follow. I love your pin by the way as an attorney and somebody who has worked around the argument and truth, what do you say we are entering a new era to the previous gentlemens question and where fax dont matter anymore . We are entering and era where we dismiss facts and give arguments that instead where we buy into a different reality . What you say to those youngert generations . This is a failure of education because we need to learn how to do critical thinking. Im sure everyone in this roo room, including me has fallen for something on twitter and that it sounds so true i fell for something a week ago about Bernie Sanders which i immediately took down because i realized it was not being reported wisely if it was true it would be on msnbc and nbc so therefore probably wasnt true so we really have to be s careful it used to be that newspapers to their own and you could rely on the newspapers and they still do. And i think most do but to know there are many channels that dont were social media can post anything and claim sources that are just not legitimate. So we really have to start training students in schools to research the source of what they are reading to analyze what makes sense as an outlier to ignore it. I bet everybody in this room reads books andd pays attention to fax when i read newspapers because i can click on the underlying document i just dont read the stories i read the indictment. I know what it is a fact and thats what we have to do and you know who to listen to. I know we have done the research and what we are saying is true. And then just to Pay Attention to y the sources. If you are the lead prosecutor in the trump impeachment trial, what word you do instead of adam schiff . I think he was brilliant i think the house managers were fantastic i cannot criticize one thing they did. Certainly not, hate to call it a trial because those are witnesses and documents. It was a hearing. If you were listening, you heard a very cogent case made for what happened and how it threat and the country. So i think it was laid out as well as it could and as a prosecutor you have to know when to stop. I could go on forever to investigate and never have the indictment but at some point you have to say i have enough evidence yes there are ten more terrible things that have happened h but if i keep investigating he will be out of office hopefully in january. Or i have enough i have proved the case the case was proved they are just saying we dont care. I care and i hope you care. I thank you do. [applause] back in 1973 they had the republicans to come around agai again. What happened . Did everybody here the question . It is what happened so when watergate the republicans came around, three republicans went to Richard Nixon and said we heard the smoking gun tape you are done. You do not have enough support you will be convicted if you go to trial. You will not survive this. And goldwater was the candidate in the minority leader of the house and that was the day he announced his resignation he didnt have the courage to tell his family he was residing and asked her to do it so she told his wife andnd edaughter after he tried to throw her under the bus i might add. That is in the book. Yes. [laughter] that is where we are at so the gerrymandered districts and social media environment in general people can watch fox news to believe information based on opinion and not on the facts the Mueller Report was totally distorted what it said. First impressions are very hard to change so once that was out there all those who supported trump believed it didnt Pay Attention to what the report actually said. That is the danger and why it is happening now. Fax should matter and they do matter to me they should matter to everybody but they put it out as fax on fox news are not fact facts. Unfortunately this will have to be the last question of the evening. Thank you for being such abnormal women. [applause] my question you touched upon with social media i was wondering do you feel like you were lucky not to be prosecuted in the era of twitter with soto my your and ginsburg and Justice Sotomayor your surprised she did not kill herself because he was horrific. Do you feel you were lucky not to have prosecuted in thattif e . Yes im. I will say when i started a lot of people said are you afraid they will come after you . I remember being in trial in San Francisco and there was the emergency motion and the lawyers for the defendants that were hidden from boston which in my hotel so he could deliver the brief to me and i gave it to him and my second chair said are you kidding. They are killers it never occurred to me i would actually be in danger since then prosecutors have been killed by defendants so today maybe i would have arranged another way to get theut documents other than my hotel i might be smarter but yes i think it would be horrendous although i would be proud with trump. Success metrics. [applause] [laughter] one thing, this book is so important and im so thankful that you wrote it so just on that last point it is important for all of us to know that when trump attack someone on twitte twitter, they get death threats. So its not just that he says something mean, its that there are people who will follow that up. April ryan had to move her home because of his attacks on her because shes part of the White House Press corps asking legitimate questions that anyone should be able to ask anyone elected to office. That something we have to recognize as a society we cannot allow to think how we protect people who really come under attack simply because they have angered some wine and power we should not accept that from any party or person. I have had to change my home number and my cell phone number. And your home was broken int into. My point is that there was no risk or folder ability with watergate but social media has madet it different. The phone number was because of a threat. I may not get any more phone call so i changed my number and got a unlisted for thatat reason and now she is at the university of chicago and David Axelrods institute i am very excited about that hoping i can see her or meet her or hear her speak because she is one of the heroes of this outcome. In terms of heroes one of mine thank you for coming out tonight this is my first talk for the book. To [applause] so it is very exciting especially to be in such a Historic Place we are very excited to be here and thank you to my Law School Friends and editor and publisher and my lawyer and agent and publicist who is here. Raise your hand and editors. Thank you to all the people who made this book possible. I hope you enjoy reading and learn from it but i hope you enjoy it paul wanted it in a small formatsc of 60000 words its easier to write a long book than a short book. So illuminating that was hard but he wanted it to be personal because it is a personal story where i reveal things thatimate i do for a reason because i hope that is not just interesting but useful information. I hope you all enjoy it. [applause] every weekend. Book tv, television for serious readers
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