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[applause] so tonights book watergate girl without comparing it to todaysss headlines with the Womens Movement stood a young lawyer barely 30 yearse old and the only woman on the team that prosecuted the highest ranking white house officials admits the failing marriage her house robbed and privacy invaded she filed against the sexist preconception that according to the female counterparts two nights author msnbc legal analyst to began her career as an organized prosecutor at the Us Department of justice and also served as general counsel to the us army solicitor general and Deputy Attorney general of the state of illinois chief operating officer from the American Bar Association the first woman to hold these positions in each role in conversation with jill tonight is a National Expert to lobby the u. S. Congress and develop programs to transform racism in the us and south africa currently a University Professor at the new School University and also a legal analyst for msnbc and nbc news i also want to thank our agent for being in the audience and a big shout out to cspan for being here tonight. [applause] so please join me to welcome our guest to the strand. [cheers and applause] thank you and good evening thank you for being here. I am so excited to be in this conversation with jill who is my sisterinlaw. [applause] that is a literal. [laughter] but in spirit and in such a pleasure to read this book and i hope you all have purchased it and if you havent, you will and i just want to start with why write it not just an important set of stories but why did you write it she let me know just recently she started 2008 in case you thought she just started it because of donald trump. [laughter] i did i started in 2008 when i theoretically retired so i failed at retirement i went from retirement to be with very good friends in italy that are landing tomorrow so are not here tonight. And they said weve always said you should write a book what is your excuse s now . I had run out of excuses so i started to write a book. So then i dropped it and then the different vision and i wrote it to the specifications. And then to agree with me. And that is the focus but the wrong focus was he wanted it to be the hurdles i had overcome. Like one of the hurdles women face in high heels. And to summarize that journey. But it wouldnt be the story. But if its more about watergate we like it but not all about the personal stuff. I was lucky enough to get on msnbc and spoke again maybe now theres a difference i have ait d platform. We just didnt go forward with it and then my lawyer and then to introduce me to flip and he agreed and it got rewritten and then my editor who was the best thing that ever happened to was just wonderful. He got the story although flip originally said you may not want to use theme because he is a man and he may not get the story but paul got the story. Where do you see on a bookshelf . I understand the question and said what you think it should be near . I said catherine grahams biography. And he said something more modern. [laughter] with the book unbelievable because it captures the era and the campaign and in a very unique and interesting back tstory. And so the minute they said hidden fee on figures that he really gets this. And there are hundreds and hundreds of stories and then to get the ones that personified that investigation and getting t the truth and also what its like to be the only one in the room. So when you read the book so the intertwined personal narrative around a critical period in our history and one of the things that struck me. But when you went to were wine of 15 in the entire law school. Somebody will die in vietnam because you took their rightful place in the class and to keep them from getting a deferment. I definitely did not get that and thats why i am not in prison right now. [laughter] so those constant challenges to end up in the department of justice and then doing very serious cases. And then getting to the department of justice because originally you would be a journalist and then you end up on the watergate team both all of those being the only woman. And that jobs offered to girls and let me say the title is not one that i invented and when i first heard it i said girl . Of not having a book with the name girl in it. Then my editor pointed out how many bestsellers have the word girl. Maybe thats not such a bad idea. [laughter] but also it captures the era. I was called a girl. All of us were called girlsls. So it seemed like not a bad title. And then social events. So read a book in college by Anthony Lewis of the New York Times so i ridiculously assumed that it would help me and that the editors would take me more seriously for a journalism job so i applied and i took those law boards and i have never taken them so i cannot go to graduate e school so thats how i ended up in moscow and there has to be a better way to get a job in journalism because i hated law school. The first year is badghn enough even if you want to be a liar lawn a lawyer but even if you dont it is torture. I took a leave of absence i got a job at the assembly of european nations where all the former leaders of check soviet countries which i now know from research for my book was from the cia which i did not know that until researching my book so i was a cia person. [laughter] s although i am running as a biden delegate. [applause] so i took the year off and decided i hated to leave o anything undone so i have to finish this now at the stage i actually do walk out so i went back to law school and i had done very well so i was in the National Competition every year and i like that i like the trial practice and i thought maybe i should pay back my Student Loans and get a job in trial practice and i was lucky enough networking is so important you will see my first husband did not fare so well when you read the book. So one of them is his sister went to brown and came to visit us. And then to come home and say i decide i got a job accepted a job inn. New york studying for the new york bar but she came to visit us and want to see her best friend from brown and to invite my first husband and myself to dinner and to say give me your resume mob bosses. To end up prosecuting mob bosses. But that is the reason they gave why i ended up doing appeals beyond the time because that is a s great thing because you see the mistake trial lawyers make. Hopefully that will make those mistakes. You make your own so that i had to a figure out because theres nobody i could go ask what to do and those that played a role iner watergate. So henry, how come the guys are trying cases . He said because youre a girl and for members of the mafia. And you didnt notice my sex when you hired me . He said i dont know. And then that was in alaska. And safe enough to let mee just say we could not wear pants to court that was not allowed im wearing a skirt. And then having to practice law as a woman. And you actually had to advocate for yourself. But tell us how you get on to the watergate team. Prie because if you stay too long, and the law firms think they are to experience and they will not hire you pretty decide to not seem like a bad career risk. And my mentor, charles there was the head of the organized crime section, and one of the smartest and best lawyers in history of the country and he ended up being bill clintons white House Counsel during the impeachment. And he was the one that i went to alaska with by the way and he was the one who said yes, have a trial and you to second gerrit. Andas he was my mentor. He was brilliant and fabulous. He was hired by the special prosecutor. And gave my name to them and they called me in for an interview and it was one of the strangest interviews that ive ever had. I walk into the office of jim who had come from harvard with archie cox, he said that when youre ready to start when are you ready to start my civil, right now. And he said no start the job and i said was that a question. He said no i checked out your record and we wanted to start. So that was my Job Interview pretty nice employee need at least a month to u wrap up my ct cases. He said we can clear it and you can start tomorrow. And it literally worked two jobs for the twos first two weeks that was their turn drop of my stcases and start at the waterge of us pretty that is how it happened. Host so youre not the only woman had already decided they were going to hire you because of your record. So is a fairly short record. Jill three years doing organized crime. Host but it does become clear that this is a really important big deal pretty quickly. Our lease have the potential to be pretty there was a lot of pressure. Jill for the time i t started, also e security chief for the commute committee to reelect part the present, had written a letter to the judge on the eve of sentencings sentencing saying that you are right, honor and all of the pressure you put on us, you are right. We lied, other people id, hush money was paid to keep us quiet. So that letter was published by the times archie cox was hired. So is pretty clear that this was not with the white house called a thirdrate burglar that it was a political crime. And so we knew pretty much that we were into something big. Host someone of the things that you say in the book, you know it will be important. You know it is a ton of pressure in a ton pressure on you in addition because youre the only woman. So the pressure of being the woman who cannot fail. Because you may fail for other women in the future. Thats definitely something that we still carry. Speech of if anybody in the room has an older sister than you know that you had to do it right on your milker sicker sister did not get to do it. Thats just how it was. My proudestr moment is when i ws the first woman to be the general counsel of the army, my successor was a woman in that was like okay, did not mess this up. Host and obviously you do not mess up watergate either. One of the things that happened and now we will get back to the husband. [laughter]. Jill second husband is good. Its. Host but first husband not so h muchn how emotionally and psychologically abusive your husband h is. As time when you are carrying not only the critically reported cases of the country but huge personal pressure is your putting on yourself to be successful for other women. I o did you navigate that becaue there are lots of parts of the book where you talk about having wondering about yourself. Having to prove and propel yourselflf forward. It is hard enough for any of us when we are in High Pressure and high stress situations but when you have the person that you go gome toer at night, like taking you down a peg constantly. How did you manage that. Jill number one i am very good at compartment compartmentalized in concert suppressing. I was my survival technique and i just put it aside. In part because it was such a bad marriage printed did not want to be at home and so it worked really hard. If something extra needed to be done, i volunteered. I was perfectly happy to do it. There was nothing drunk me to be at home. I married to Michael Banks my current husband. I dont know the i wouldve done that. I like being with him and i dont feel belittled with him. I dont think im alone in this. I think so many women blame themselves. In my it was my fault and within my power to fix this. I could leave i was responsible for fixing it. I finally got a good therapist who said the first time i saw him says this is not your problem. And it took me three years of seeing him before i was even able to confront my husband about how he treated me. No my friend saw that was happening and that one of them said anything to me because they were afraid that they would lose my friendship and that i would turn against them i understand that. I understand that and im not judging them and i w probably would have done the same thing. But people wouldve been shocked that we were separating. And they said thank god we dont ayknow how long or how or why yu stayed alone. I think theres one exchange that i have that is in the book about rick i call him buddies now an adult so is called richard pretty,nd my last day in washington before i moved to chicago to marry michael, we spent the day together Walking Around one of his questions said we saw how he treated you and drink watergate they were trying to find reasons to exclude spouses so that he would not be an event that we had. We just did not want him around. Those obviously stressful and terrible and not sure that it took theoa right approach with y problems but it was what i did. Host one interesting thing that came up in the book is you were the only woman prosecutor side. But there was the only woman on nixons side. Lets talk about her. Find interesting. You actually have something for her. Jill if i do now. And i did a little bit then. But it wasnt in my intellect and then as it is now. Host tell how important she became to the watergate case and how you became the prosecutor who was questioning her and essentially bust watergate wide open. Jill it really turned the American Public against nixon he won 49 states and a huge landslide in the popular vote. It is a very popular president and did the things he passed titles. Ix help in china, he bet epa. Obviously he had moral failures. [laughter]. Significant once. Rosemary woods was then the secretary that she really was an advisor. I actually listen to tapes unrelated to the crime or none that we use were she was really advising him. She clearly was more than the secretary. She was aunt rose to his two daughters and shared close with his wife kat nixon, and i will depart for a second, i was on fresh air in answering a question, i really wanted to portray her as her family and friends knew her. But no one would talk to me. He said stop calling people, its too easy for them to hang up on you. Go knock on the door. So i flew to washington i knocked on the door that was slammed in my face. So i give up. Oui decided that i just cannot o it. I actually hired somebody but a journalist im not the polarizing figure that i appeared to be. That didnt work either. So i never got that side of it. As a result of saying that i had wanted to portray her sympathetically or accurately as her family and friends knew her, i got a phone call from her greatnephew. Her grandnephew, i mean. He said i will talk to you. Ill just tell you one of the stories because i i think i migt have another hard to add to the book. And from the stories that i am getting from him, and one is that he said that my mother is the daughter of joe woods it was the sheriff of the scanning the breast brother of rosemary woods. My mothers younger sister was named rose after rosemary woods. And i ready had an aunt rose and when a metric cannot call her aunt rose. Since they cannot have two at roses. Your uncle rose. Back in the whole family calling her uncle rose and get a great sense of humor and she that was cute and funny. She accepted being called uncle rose. In the whole time i was interviewing and talk to him for a couple ofe hours now, every time he said uncle rose, and he cant call her at rose. So i called her uncle rose. It was a very weird circumstance. Host you have john dean but nobody believes him. Do your point about how important she becomes as a witness because theyre saying no when he is saying about nixon and talking about hush money is not true. So people did not believe john dean. And you all blamed john dean. But you dont have any collaborating evidence and the publicly said the guy. Tell us how she becomes pivotal now you draw out the liar the coverup. Jill there are two answers that the first thing that is happened that there tapes and radio because if they collaborated what he had already publicly testified to, we had just made. But if they do not, who were dead. But there are any inconsistencies, so for example holloman said, when dean said that the president and said well i know where i can get the million dollars, holloman said yes but he didnt say that you said but it would be wrong. When we get the tapes, theres no doubt, he said i can get the money. So we knew we had to get those tapes and we knew we had to collaborate with them. So we subpoenaed them and there was a big about who we first picked nine tapes of a show for part of a criminal conspiracy and most of them were conversations with john dean. That he had said this is what it said. There werehe crimes. In southern the president stonewalled in ways and look pale in comparison to what is happening now but at the time pretty serious abuses of his power did not condemn and finally, the First Special prosecutor kelly press conference on saturday in washington but it just came up at that point and explain to the American Public while we had a right to theap tape and why we needed them and the president was very unimpressed and he said to his attorney general, finder back in the attorney general said that i promised the senate i wouldnt do it but if there were no cause and then he was fired and the Deputy Attorney general said the same and he was fired. And although theres questions is whether he must resign or fired, was sort of development, he was out. In the third in command, he carried out the order. That was what was known as the saturday night massacre. In three days after that, the public reaction was so, the outpouring was amazing. Not bags of mail. Knowing no, we were getting huge canvas bags u. S. Postal mail. On machine from of the telex letters. In three days later, he said employed to appoint a new this new prosecutor then you can have the tapes on halloween, and seemed appropriate to me, he said no i cant do your mind because two are missing. One was not recorded because it was a private residence and the others there was a tapes malfunction. The judge ever so suspicious ever suspicious had a hearing to find out what was happening we didnt really look like that probably correct. Just bad luck for us. So we were not waiting for some tapes and then came the day before thanksgiving, less than a month later, three weeks later. As lawyers and according said, whoops, they forgot that there is a third problem in one tape has 19 andnd have medigap weathr should be the conversation to use his. The judge said, will have another hearing. Which brings us to rosemary woods. And in the first hearing while youre trying to figure out who had handled the tapes and who might have been able to ask my mother of missing the white house was presenting witnesses and one was rosemary was because she had handled tapes. And i felt by that time there were three of us, jim and returned to nashville to attend his private practice for the promise he would come back if we succeeded a in getting an indictment he would go back in time for trial. So that left rick and myself. To 30 yearolds in charge of this whole thing against the white house. We are known as the childrens mark against the wicked. [laughter]. And rick is a very sort of, powerful persuasive totally unlike me. Im organize, and on thoughtful that we were a great team. But i felt was taking too many witnesses. La had had a couple of years more experience than me and i was nickel player here. Five pulling out of the courtroom i said i am taking the next witness and then we are sharing equally every other witness. In the next one was rosemary as a chain of custody when is. Nothing significant. It was rosemary woods. Questioned her and by amazing foresight, by accident really. What progressions she had taken not to erase any of the tapes. And she said i used my head and that was the h only thing that d he is and she was really hostile nasty to me. And then when the white house announced that there was this 18 and half minutes gap, and that there were no witness or explanation w that only rosemary woods could explain it. Yi assumed she would stay my witness because she was the witness the first time and you dont change witnesses in the middle. His book he actually said he was behind my questioning her the second time. He was, have no knowledge of it. I prepared from the moment i heard she was the guilty one. I skipped all of thanksgiving i spent the weekend reading everything i possibly could about her past testimony. There were no computer so i had to get transcripts and underline them and look at them. So she was called a criminal suspect and for the first time in my life again the miranda warning because she was the suspect in a criminal case. Normally i wouldve been done by an fbi agent in preparation. Is not usually done by lawyers in court but it did for the first time. Ohost were going to open up for questions. But one story, he shall as people are getting readyis for e questions. A lot of things in this book are inside stories. The fight that you all have about whether to indict richard ernixon. Jill we were 30 years old and we were highly moral and driven by justice of the truth only thousand one the evidence was overwhelming that the president accountability unfair to prosecute all of the w people wo did his bidding. And they on their own believe me. It worked perfectly willing accomplices would be hard for a jury to convince them that the chief was not indicted with them and he had to be an unindicted spirits are because so much of the evidence was his conversation. In order for that to be admissible to 40 had to be a coconspirator so we were allowed to name him that and was not named in the indictment. We know who he is. Its a very wellkept secret and was one of them. It was locked up in the same and he was not revealed until the court dates. So leon, when i got down to finally doing the indictment says, look you can. You cant do that theres an impeachment process this what we should do. That is the mature improper political thing and we said no, i dont think so. Theres nothing in the constitution despite the other opinion but theres nothing the constitution says you cannot indict a sitting president. We could oblige the court to allow us to give all of our evidence to the House Judiciary Committee which was conducting a legitimate investigation and there was a reasonable prospect that they actually act on the evidence ase opposed to now whn say, the outcome is different. Clearly it is different. So if that is how we ended up having despite pretty and once he resigned, he immediately went to breanne and said a okay, is t a sitting president what can we do it now. He still refused as they fought with him, ford pardoned him in the ended date because of pardon hard and you cannot do it. So we lost the opportunity to indict him. Host it is really worth reading in the book. I really wanted you to hear that. Guest how did you get woods to testify. Because no one in the Trump Administration will testify. So seems like the north. Jill is a great question and really relevant to now. President nixon despite his moral failings, did believe in the rule of law. Obviously he was willing to ignore the subpoenas are not giving them to you but he did allow us to have witnesses and the allied and went to jail for perjury but not. [laughter]. Gives documents. We had white house calendars which sound like not a big deal thats how we were able to identify which conversations and subpoenas. We had specific information and using the book the sort of complicated discussion on whether or not the haldeman conversation which is deleted on the team and this was within our subpoena. It was clearly there because we had meeting records and we corrected our subpoena which originally sent 1030 12 we corrected it to 1025 to 1245. And that clearly included the haldeman conversation. And so having that kind of detailed record exit difference. And bite totally stonewalling at the trunk administration, no witnesses to the me just say, it is not just term of criminal cases, not letting testify for regular oversights. So if you want to know about children in cages, the taxes, is not letting anyone testify. And that is separating the powers to overrule th oversight. Guest do you think there is enough evidence to have another another article of impeachment. Jill evidence yes, do i think it will happen. Nope. I think at this point, probably that is the right decision read it as wect know it wont be an indictment in the new administration and there wont be one andn this one. The states could do it now. In our cases in the force of hud lead to the tax returns going to them until estate indictment. So yes, i am hopeful that at some point n the wealthy sum of capitalism. Right now there is not. Let his life is up to all of us without vote out the vote and probably all new yorkers, i dont care what you do here because new york who have the right way. [laughter]. [l could go, or i should say left way. [laughter]. But if you could c all go to michigan wisconsin pennsylvania, that is where, working out and i am not in a illinois because illinois is blue and i am not worried about illinois. I am going about neighboring state. So i sha really feel that it isp to us we do what we can get our facts out but the people listening are you. And the people are not listening or listening to alternative facts. Which are lies because there are no such thing as alternative facts. These very serious thing and i dont care who the nominee is on the democratic party, a buddy or him or her. [applause]. Went moment in the last few years so heartbreaking that you wanted to tell that you wanted to train tow washington get there. What really made you mad. Jill the list is so long but the most recent, is listening to the vote on impeachment. It was not an aar day. Was unimpeachable or not impeachable. Every senator had to enter the words, notui guilty. Even those like alexander im been is that the evidence is overwhelming, he didnt it is not impeachable. Its a ridiculous argument but at least they had an argument. For them to say not to, that was so painful to me that was screaming at the television. It was beyond horrible. Reporter we focused a lot on the impeachment process but there was a special prosecutor like you were brought up as a special prosecutor. What is your viewer of memorial mueller entity failed to his job. Jill this is a part of my exhusbands. My first husband. [laughter]. Actually i think at least two ot three of my law School Classmates are here. Are you guys here. Enough michael,. [applause]. Naomi lois, cnet, i want to say hello. [applause]. Mueller first of all is a shame that he was allowed to testify. First of all, even if he did good, and i think we can all admit, but it was not but even if he had been good, he could not have been good is a life witness or even thehe investigators moyers worked on the case. Ahead of the investigation, had superficial knowledge, is not the one who can do it. And he hadf, already sort of backed away from conclusions that i would have made had i been mueller. So i wouldhe say, the facts are laid out even though the conclusion is not. It is clearing that he was looking at impeachment as the remedy certainly with hindsight, we see was not remedy at all. The republicans would not do it. Certainly in terms of obstruction, the case is laid out there. There arere indictable offensesn that report and they will never well,he it depends but if the could get indicted you selected again. There will be current crimes it will be within the statute of limitations. Guest the department of justice seem to have been severely compromised. What will it take to recover. Jill a new administration. A new attorney general. I talked to friends who work there and work in the fbi and the morale is really low. And justifiably so. The politicization, when maia and i were there, i never felt that a political decision wasas made. People who have connections could come in and make an argument that say this is what you should not indictment client is legitimate and frankly hopeful to the prosecution because you want to hear the defense argument but to if you making a mistake, to be better not to put people there. So is not a bad thing. Nobody pressured me to listen to that and actct on it i listened, but i made my own judgment when the department of justice, cannot be relied on, and you have the first step toward dictator ship and anau authoritative role in a monarchy. It is very scary. In the t past, the department hs always been told to be independent. Policy can be set by the president. The president says that i still believe in antitrust laws, think bigger is better than everybody should consolidate. Thats okay. Thats a legitimate thing to say in the same way that the president obama said i dont think we should be persecuting some of the immigration things that are going on. Lets not put our resources there. That is a policy decision but if obama said, wanted to prosecute this person, that would be terrible. If he said, do not prosecute this person to make sure this person does not get a jail term that is being recommended, that would be wrong. That is what is happening now. Guest with respect, are you able to understand the extent or how much are you able to understand those of us sometimes sympathize with trump. Jill i have tried to engage with Trump Supporters im happy to talk to you afterwards. Ive not gotten the kind of impact based arguments on dylan. So somebody can send me, this is why i support him because this is what he has done this helpmate or mark in society. I would be able to engage in the conversation but it ends up being it is just because it is. So i cannot not so somebody because i see the hate kenny unleashed. He makes it acceptable to say and do things that would otherwise be totally unacceptable. Im not synthetic but i am open to discussion and hopefully persuasion why think hehy is dangerous and the things that i am saying or danger to the people. Afterwards. Guest ive been following the russia issues early on because a friend of mine had been with a man for 20 years and when imani longer start researcher. So isf aware of it. Money longer. One of his genius sons said that we could all of the money from russia. Do you think he owns russia multimillions of dollars thats why he is such a pal. Just based on your information. Speech of my information is the same as everybody else in this room. I dont have any social art resources. Im obsessive about amnesty, toys on its amazing how collective. And if its something i can really listen to. I suddenly forgot and rewind to the start of it. It does seem that russia had significant financial interest in him based on what he they say. If we get financial records, will be able to know for sure. Why russia originally picked him as the person a they wanted andt is clear that everyone in this room, that it was russia who interfered in the election printed site ukraine produced a bad person sitting. It is russia. The square print the Mueller Report lays that out very clearly as well. As does the Senate Intelligence committee reports. Why it is continuing, i dont know. Dont forget all of the meetings like the one at trump tower in fact that he senses that he would take on intelligence which is the federal election law say that you cannot take anything from a foreign hour. It is not to be the government. He came in taken from a citizen of russia. Lori lynn ourr eyes as well. Theres something going on for sure. Guest just out of curiosity i was wondering if the technology that we have today, if any fragment of that 18 minutes, just to find out what the conversation was that was there. Jill great and great question his answer. First full we know it didnt happen the way rosemary says. And we also know that was eight or nine separate ones. Since someone erased and listened so it means that they really listened they listens is more than a race that prayed then erased and they are raised in the erased. There have been every time new technology rises, the retest of the tapes. They also, a man came up with the idea that ottomans notes and it was a prolific notetaker. And we had nice questioning rosemary ahead in front of me his yellow legal pad of notes we note that thean missing part isa moderate gate discussion because the part that we can hear after the discussion in nevada that were pat nixons parentsix are married and then continues with the watergate discussion. And theres a very brief set of notes. Normally haldeman takes explicit notes. It isso very strange, and he cae up with the idea that there was a missing page and they have not tested the paper to see if there were impressions that do not match the words above it. There didnt seem to be. So he just took fort notes. Eighteen minutes does seem strange. We know that it was watergate and it doesnt really matter at this point. What exactly was said because it is clear that on the day, three days after the breakin that Richard Nixon knew everything he needed to know about watergate and started in cleverly foodd te une 23rd of the gun t4 he is giving orders to use the cia to stop the fbi from following the money. He had brandnew 100dollar bills and they were eventually traced to a Campaign Donation check was cashed in miami from one of thehe burglars. So wouldve immediately said that the creep paid for the burglars so thats when they do not want the money trail followed. Guest is an attorney and worked in the realm of logic and trip. What you say as we are entering a new era to previous gentlemens . Facts dont matter anymore. For entering an era where we dismiss facts and using arguments and instead, we buy into a different reality. You say to younger generations who perhaps want to go into law. Jill is the failure of education because we need toar learn how o do critical thinking. Im sure everybody in this room ouhas fallen something on twittr and i readic almost a few weeks ago i learned about bernie sanders, i realized it wasnt being reported widely in foods true, wouldve been on some major new stations and therefore probably waso not true is to be the newspapers and their own Fact Checking you can rely on the newspapers. And they still do. I think most do. I think most general television stations do know there are many channels adult and social media for anybody can post anything and claim sources that are just not legitimate. So we really have to start training students and schools to trace the sources and analyze whether it makes sense and are not outlier possibly to ignore it. And i get that om everybody in this room reads books and newspapers magazines and pays attention to facts. When i read newspapers, read a lot now online because i can click on an underlying document. Dont just redo the story thats been put out to me. I read the indictment. So i know what is true and was not i know what is a fact. And you know who has the expertise on television. And there certainly boy listen to and i know that i can trust what they say. You really have tol, pay attentn to sources. Guest in the trumpst impeachment tria, what wouldve you done instead of what adam schiff did. Jill i actually think he was billions. I think was fantastic i cannot criticize one thing they did. Certainly not in the trial because trials have witnesses andnt documents and hearings it was a hearing if youre listening, youve heard very good case made for what had happened and why it was illegal and how it threatened the country was laid out as well as a good and as a prosecutor, you have to knowig when to stop. At some point you have to say, yes, i have enough information and yes there were probably ten more things that happened but if i keepof investigating, hopefuly hell be out of office hopefully in january or, you just have to say i haved enough improved case and even the republicans, and myth is the case with proof. Theyre just saying that we care. I care and i hope you all care. [applause]. Guest eventually the republicansnsre e around and realized that nixon had to go. What happened. Jill did everybody here the question. What happened in watergate, the republicans came around and actually three republicans who went to Richard Nixon and said we heard the smoking gun case, you are done. And do not have enough support and you will be convicted if you go to trial. You will not survive this and it was very cold water could been the president ial can candidate new minority leader of the house and the senate. That was a mistake he announced his resignation. Im going back to rosemary if i could. He didnt haveis the courage to tell his family that he was resigning and he asked her to do it. So she is the one who told his wife and daughter. Jill anything answer is gary and the social media and the environments in general, people can watch fox news and leave a set of i information that is bad on opinion and on the facts, you have bar and took Mueller Report and totally distorted what it said and First Impressions are very hard to change. So is that it was out there, other people support trump believed it and did not pay any attention to what the report actually said. And that is the danger. That should matter facts do matter to me. They should matter to everybody but things are put out on fox news and theyre not facts. Host partially this will have to be the last question of the evening. It. Guest high and thank you to both of you for being such admiral women. [applause]. My question, we touched upon a little bit of social media. I was wondering, do you feel like you were lucky not to be prosecuting in an era of twitter. Because trump recently attacked ginsberg the way he treated mary jovanovich, to be honest, im still impressed that she did not kill herself because he was horrific. City feel like you were lucky te not be or have been prosecuted in that era. Jill yes, i am. When i started in organized from, to think the come after you. I remember being on trial in san francisco. There was an emergency motion the lawyers for the defendants were coming in from boston, they wanted my hotel. So that he could deliver his brief to me. And give it to him and my second chair, was like, are you kidding me read it yours, why are you giving it to them. It never occurred to me that i would actually be in danger. And since then there have been some that were killed and i might today, have arranged some other way to get the documents and telling my hotel. [laughter]. Might be smarter. But yes, i think it would be horrendous. Iten would be very hurtful but i think i would be proud of he came after me. Host success metric. One thing, jill this book is so important and im so thankful that you wrote it. And just on that last point, i think its important for all of us to know, and when trump attacked someone on twitter, get death threats. So it is not just that he says something mean, there are people unfortunately it will follow that up. Ms. Ryan and move her home because of his attacks on her because shes in the White House Press force asking legitimate questions, anyone to be will able to ask someone elected to office, so that is just something we have to recognize as a society, we cannot allow and thinking about how we protect people really come under attack simply because they have angered someone in power. That is not something we should accept from any party or any person. Jill i had to change my cell phone number in my home number. Host and her home was broken into. My only point was something there were not any risks for any or any sense of vulnerability during watergate, but youre right, social media has made it a different kind. Jill the phone number was because of a threat from a trump supporter. I wasnt really afraid they would carried out but i didnt want to get a more phone calls until her so i change my number. And i got an unlisted number for that reason and it is unfair, i am very proud that ambassador jovanovich is at the university of chicago. [applause]. So im very excited about that and hoping that will have the chance to see her and meet her and hear her speak. Because she says one of the heroes of this outcome. And in terms of heroes, my hat is one of mine. [applause]. And i think all of you for coming out tonight. This is my first live events for the book. [applause]. So it is very exciting especially to be in such a historic place. So thank you for having us here. We are very excited to be here. And thanks to my Law School Friends into my editor and publisher into my lawyer and my agent to my publicist who is here. Raise your hand. [applause]. Into my Editorial Assistant and tell you where you. Yeah, back there. So thank you for all of the people who make this book possible. I hope you enjoyed reading it, i hope you learn from it but mostly hope you just enjoy it. And its a good read. When paul and i discussed this, and small format and 60000 words, its easier to write a long book in a short book. I wrote 400 pages to start. So eliminating all of that stuff is hard but i think it was right. He wanted it to be a personal greenpeace it is very personal story where the p real feel a lt of intimateso things that i do r a reason because i hope it will help other people and not just interesting but useful information. So you all enjoy it. [applause]. Tonight, on the communicators, American Economic liberties project founder, cerebellar, and Big Tech Companies as monopolies and the impact of corporate concentration. There is actually strategies. Would you sell to facebook or google. And once done, if that warned the ability of an innovator in Silicon Valley to actually innovate, and according to ideas, instead everyone is guessing, how can i develop something that google will buy her facebook will buy. 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