Lonely voice you know how it is in the house if you believe in balance budget or you believe we should spend less or have a limited Constitutional Government really you know, controversial thing unfortunately we never get any of the other side but then we lose a lot on our side that could be better at it and i guess thats one of my frustrations but i try very hard to have the same opinion whether it is republican president or democrat president that, you know, constitution was specific. Spending power was ours things like that that we should keep our plans on and i think we too easily give that up and i think one of the interesting things that i found coming up here is that democrats are better on these issues when it is republican president they want to oppose republicans are better on this when it is democratic. But when the partieses are the same they tend to sort of ac acquiesce a little bit on separation of powers and many this book you write the case against socialism it operates to me very much as a debate guide against those who would try to grow left Political Movement by advancing socialist ideas, embracing socialist dictators maybe talk a little bit about the need for the book if through the lens of which Political Movement is expanding or contracting. You know, most people sort of hear the title you know case against socialism they say thats a great idea but we wish it wasnt necessary. You wouldnt think it would be necessary and it is true. You know, i was born in the 1960s, and we still were sort of experienced and a, in fact, in early 1960s cruise job was just admitting to stallens the terror of the pilgrims killing and famines about that time you know the great famine in china had just happened in the 50s. And so many of these thing were just becoming known but throughout most of my lifetime, people were who horrified with t they did with socialism now we turn the page and now we have poll showing young people over half of them are enthusiastic half of them hate capitalism and some think socialist is something were trying perplexing to some of us who have read the history of socialism but i think it is necessary. We have couple of socialists over on your side weve got a social ition on the senate side. And when i was a kid, i think there were socialist but they were embarrassed of the label they didnt want to be called social so they were liberal and didnt want to be called liberals but they knew that it wouldnt be popular now theyre really in your face saying im a socialist and we want to bring socialism and they have a party the democrat socialist of america and theyre proud of it. And it alarms me that young people arent going oh, my goodness what would socialism really mean for our country . It has been in a short period of time that weve seen democrats socialist really embrace socialist brand as a growth agenda. Now you said something earlier in your political career something about our prospect for growth and leveraging liberty for growth and specifically once that our party needs more people who have tattoos and more people who dont have tattoos so the question is is, do we need to go find people with tattoos to join party or need to tattoo more people in the party . Thats a good question i say with tattoos without tattoos with ponytail or without pony or with or without ear rings and young people want to join so i think thats sort of of the problem and somehow socialism has pack hip or cool and dont know what it is so same studies say theyre for it not you know like 10 of the people who are for socialism can actually design it as government owning means of production they just they think it has about fairness and part of this i blame on government schools frankly the government schools teach, you know, everybody can have selfesteem and son cant spell were going to give a prize because he needs to feel good about about himself and pass out selfesteem and fairness web and they get this idea that somehow the government is going to make things fair. One of the thing we point out here in is theres still a top one percent in social i. Different is under our system its at least mostly or to the large extent based on merit who becomes wealthy. If im sam walton i sell something you want im good at selling and districting i can become a billionaire but nobody forced you to buy myself and sam became a billionaire because people voluntarily bought his stuff and same l way with really most billionaires in our society. But when you look at socialism theres a top one percent you think maduro doesnt have a top 1 theres generals theyre all a well fed. One of the thing we point out about leader in venezuela is average person lost 20 pounds down there but he makes ted kennedy look slim hes wearing this size 68 jacket or 74, you know, chest jacket, and because he keeps getting fatter and fatter. Ive never read a book that better fat shames socialist than your book. [laughter] you went down this project sort of as an interesting endeavor in marriage as well you wrote the book with your wife im not married but ive heard that wallpapering can be difficult talk to e me about process of writing this book with your wife and you write a beautiful poem at the a beginning of the book to your quite a few that i think speaks to a lot of people who have endured a sacrifice and notion that that sacrifice is linked to another human being that you love. Kelly and i work pretty well together its sort of like they give you advice in marriage is that, when your wife says something you sort of divide up you have things you have things and then ultimately let her make final decision thats not entirely true but it kind of is that im laid back in the book i wrote a lot of stuff she came through and read it and said it would be interesting to add this in. So give us like a kelly paul unique sweetener edition the discussion of the can you having ton catholic boy was largely hers and really got her going got her upset all of us upset who watched this and what a media did to this and sort of the link into socialism is that weve got on to a point where we have sort of propaganda filling our airways and under socialism directly from the government. This is coming from private entity, but that boy was an innocent 15yearold boy our kids went to Catholic School hes standing there waiting for bus he never says a word and adults are say hes got a punchable face i met with these people week later when all of the truth come out were saying look youve got to punch him and really do you not understand what youre saying . And just everything about that story was wrong pep and i really hope that in the end courts will say you cant lie about somebody because there really is a court case here there have been kids not getting into harvard because they do inappropriate things on their social media whatever. He didnt do that. But hes being lumped in with people who are racist or say bad things. He might be excluded from schools and ultimately from careers because people think well he was some terrible person. And in reality never said a word and never did anything and the other side where all of these terrible adult its that were getting his face, yelling horrible at both him and others there. And a the media got everything completely wrong because they have an agenda anyway but kelly was key in getting that in there and describing that and drawing it into this whole idea of what happens under propaganda and socialism. The democrats and socialist we serve with in congress they tell us that socialism is really the path to fairness. So who are the Fairness Police and how do you write about them . And thats a good point is that, see in the abstract they say were going to have fairness but thing is you have a conception of fairness i have a conception of fairness, representative omar might have a conception of fairness but for her to invoke on us if we disagree with her shes not going to sell us ideas of fairness she has to send police basically and this is where breaks down because in this is ting why maybe its become popular in the idea of fairness. Is they can fairness with charity and being your brothers keeper. I believe we should be our brothers keeper and i believe in christianity and christian idea that we have community that we should take care of our people. But that is nothing to do request government, you know, and they believe it and flat it and say if i take charity and give to someone else and not charity when government comes but isnt charitable in way government does it because ultimately the more you want socialism this is one of the points we headache. If you want a little bit of socialism, the balance from government may be tolerable we want a little bit more you have at more state violence. But if you really want to take the property and when came to take farm and stalin collected farms, truly theres a point at which people rebel and only way you can get it is really through violence you have to kill the people, and thats what happened under stalin not just a few but l many manies and from that we try to develop a question is and this i taught a course at George Washington on the novel and kids kept asking, about is violence an accident of socialism or is violence inherit is it inevitable you have violence . I think more socialism yes it is inherit the more the close or you get to actually taking peoples property, people will resist and then you cant just fine them l you ultimately have to put them in jail or shoot them. I interact with a lot of folks who come up to me as a young conservative and say now how can i motivate my child my grand child to embrace the principles that have made our country great and i would say the book really does detail out all of the arguments the socialist make and then it goes into i think a good Historical Context good global context the question is when do we move past that Tipping Point you have half of people under age of 29 have now a favorable view of socialism so have we crossed the rubicon or do we have to go and win back this argument with people who have embraced that incremental socialism . Were in danger of this jefferson said every generation you know has to renew the water of the tree of liberty. And i think thats true with socialism and bad ideas every generation has to realize you know the the problems with social sm what comes from it. The big lie, though, thats out there right now and the big sort of superficial sort of platitude they throw at you is they say well, you know, intellectuals liked stalin no we used to like castro you know bern nefs a big fan of castro but you know then we learn it wasnt so great so we arent supported castro and used to like chavez but we like sweeledden we love socialism its the kinder gentler socialism so disproving that one that sweden and skanked knave ya is socialist because theyre not they ranked pretty high on freedom indexes for trade and for a lot of other things. And we lowered them from 35 highest in world to 21 interestingly skanked scandinavia has had low business taxes so we want to beat them but he doesnt want low corporate taxes but he wants to raise them also interesting doesnt have a minimum wage other interesting thing and this is realing big one that is biggest lie of the left biggest lie of all of the socialist is that you can have all of this free stuff you can have something for nothing you have free college, pay leave, everything you want well give you free money and only tax rich people and big lie is thats not what they do in scandinavia theres a lot of free stuff they have free stuff they give you but they tax the heck out of everybody. And see, bernie and his clan and merry troop of socialist stick to rich and not middle class but in scandinavia everybody pays 25 sales tax from poorest to richest 25 sales tax, everybody also pay a very significant income tax. So the income tax of their 60 starting at the 60,000 well 60,000 is middle class this isnt the richst thats how they get so much money is they tax the heck you have the middle class and wont see bernie or aoc says yes were going to do trillion nor Climate Change and 60 trillion for medicare for all and middle class has 60 income tax theyre saying middle class wont have tax increase just rich people sticking to rich people. Its a lie. So is capitalism zero sum then thats the argument as rich get richer that comes at someone elses expense and i think you use a variety of the examples to go through circumstances where its actually capitalism that is the rising tide that lifts all boats. We look at that because income equality by the left and just terrible thing. And we actually look at it and the interesting thing is that you know they say you know one of them points out that pakistan and ethiopia have is less income equality and move there then you think it is going to be great and really isnt about how close you are to each other. Its about what your level is. Income inequality one of the authors we quote say sort of like a yell jealousy about how much you make in reality thats just sort of a really a bad almost a vice thats coveting someone prosecute and how rich i am if im getting richer but another one of the big lies that comes from socialist. They say that the economic fie is fixed. And that if i get some, youre getting less. The truth of the matter is in the statistics are overwhelm on this that economic pie is bigger and bigger and less poverty theres a group that we quote from called human progress. Org associated with katoa just the statistics are just amazing. Poverty and about 180, 0 lived on two dollars a day thats how they do constant dollars when i was born it went from 90 and 1820 to a third of the world living in poverty and early 1960s. Today it is less than 10 . And so thats incontroversiable people escape extreme poverty every day for the last 25 years. And so their facts are just wrong theyre just completely wrong the world is so much better than it used to be. I mean, better water, antibiotics, excuse me you talk that global lens i expected book to focus on domestic policy reforms that youve championed to enhance liberty reduce size of scope is and government in our lives but i think readers can expect a very global view of how quality of life has been impacted as a folks have moved towards Big Government or towards liberty. Right i think the thing is that facts are there. That the World Economy is growing, i think like u. S. Economy may have doubled eight times in the last 200 years its just happening poverty is less. Everybody is richer were all doing so much better. In fact i start out speeches now by say theres never ever, ever been a better time to be alive i really want to sink in. And this is not high perp lee. you take on venezuela early in the beck and you make people eat their words and take joy in pointing out that not only bernie but folks on cnn oliver stone champion venezuela as great utopia you have a different take. People literally eating their pets and we have a story of a young lady teenage girl and she has a gang but her gang is to defend the turf of trash so certain garbage and she keeps them out of them because their hers to look for food how sad. People killing rats in a street to try to eat them pigeons, and its just really is a sad thing. But kind of going back to World Economy thing we have to understand why the World Economy got better and we have to understand why venezuela deteriorating into, you know, chaos and thats i think part of what the book is doing. Part of the debate we should being having up here and we dont seem to have it in congress is that we dont, arent talk about when Economic System is better and nobody in the media seems to care that what aoc is supporting and what bernie is supporting is stalin and mall and all of the terrible ideas, and they get away it because they arent challenged. You also a trace the roots of socialism back even to arab world which i think would be enlightening to many who would cast these gulf monarchies other arab endeavor its as right wing government not left wing government but you say that the outdoor nasser socialism is a brand of socialism thats been particularly violent and harmful. I think thats part of the problem weve had really since the 1930s. Others said when you have hitler come onis board by late 1930s theyre calling him a right wing dictator i think this was accidental. I think these were political scientists to decide decided to develop a spectrum of right and left so they put naziism over here and socialism and communism over here and in reality theyre just different variance of socialism, in fact, hitler was proud of his socialism but he said like most inventor of something he wanted to make sure it was distinct and hiss was racist and, obviously, genocide yall but proud of those things but he said this is unique he would come up with a unique form of social when you look at original theyre from communist manifesto and a collection of Everything Else but they did it because after the war and people became so horrified with what he did, you know, with the holocaust, the socialist say we cant sell socialism if they think hitler is a call him a right wing authoritarian same true in arab about world but i think commonality and i think this gets back to top 1 , is nasser all of these people and dictators in africa many of them had a socialist bend but socialism with enriching their family it happens under socialism too. Socialism may help everybody out and quality and everybody is going to to get, you know, chicken and every pot, and yet it always seems like you know like castros daughters really rich, maduro daughter is very rich. The families enrich themselves. In that sense you would attack the notion that socialism is attainable by saying in the book that every economy in the world will district resources unequally theres no opportunity for full equal resources and in a world you prefer merit over do we fall at a risk of United States congress leaning into elements of crony capitalism and does that take us on the slow march to these bad places . I think so. And i think the whole idea of, you know, how things are districted in the equality of it is being a goal that if thing were equally districted the problem would be is that you would lack incentive because you work hard or because you want more of the pie to increase your share of the pie, and so getting over incentive was always a problem. Do we fall into the tap here sometimes . Yeah because sometimes in order to get the things we wanted like reducing taxes on economy, weve taken people off at the lower whoapgd pay no tax and so now we have a tax system really that is a lot different than scandinavia so were really much more tip towards a very progressive tax code our rate has come down at the top. It is still the vast majority of the taxes like top 20 of earners in our country pay like 90 of the taxes now. Youre