Four years ago. Her book already a bestseller wabestseller. Welcome everybody. We have great session here. Really a celebration are brilliant timely new book and sign for us to an important discussion about what is going on in the critical region of the world. Of course, the star todays performance is the author of that great new book. Michael osman who is a tremendous historian and scholar of contemporary asia. And he is a distinguished fellow. Bernie is also a great friend. Really is wonderful for us all to be with you to celebrate this permit is to book. Ages new politics. In the book is an important book and time about that we shipping that is going on. Anisha is also the author of another tremendous book, called the end of the asia century. One of the most prolific and lucid analyst on what is going on in the region. If you havent already done it, do what i did and set up a google alert for whatever the essays are published. You get them right away. And of course, in that region, testimony developments ongoing. Whether it is from north korea the latest aggressive actions so we could have really a more timely discussion about filing important regions. In joining us, to facilitate this discussion is a brilliant scholar doctor who is visiting. As a series senior fellow at the hudson institute. As a security advisor for the trump ministration, instrumental in effect was i think was probably the most significant shift in American Foreign policy since the end of the cold war. That is the recognition that china is a strategic rival. In the policies of the Chinese Communist party was a significant threat, really all three in open societies. It is really heavy here to facilitate this discussion. Antic it all off, we have congressman mike was just done a wonderful job serving his country as from the eighth district of wisconsin. Prior to being a congressman, the duties there on capitol hill 2016. He served country as a marine corps officer. Shes a scholar and a graduate of princeton and a masters and phd in International Relations from georgetown. And i will say, i have fond memories of when we first met. You and just returned from iraq. And you exceeded all expectations. He is emerging as one of the most humble new leaders are born policy National Security and intelligence. Congressman gallagher, could you kick this off. Thank you hr for that kind introduction and thank you for inviting me here. When i was in uniform, i work for him. So if you see me break out in a cold sweat at any point during these remarks, because i still feel like a Second Lieutenant whenever i hang around a chart and i get very nervous around him. I can hear his voice booming in my head. Mike, brother, you better hurry up. I was a middle east specialist. In many ways i have been getting up anishas work and scholarship has been a critical part of that. And there is much in his compelling thoughtprovoking new book that we should they look forward to talking about today. And she has been warning about chinas increasing behavior for a long time but its only been in the past few years that these warnings have become mainstream. I spent a great deal of time in congress wondering why exactly that is the case why did it take us a long to wake up and what is it the present moment that has awakened the western world to the threat posed by the Chinese Communist party and so in search of answers because we been trapped in our basements during the last few months brenda recently sat down and watch the 2017 classico, wolf warrior to abrade the chinese film highest grossing, of all time. At the climax, the antagonist american mercenary and big dad daddys muscular hero is a former special ops soldier. In his big daddy attempts to gemini into his throat. He gloats and says, people like you will always be inferior to be like me. So get used to it. Spoiler alert, he turned the table run and brutally stabs big daddy to death with that bullet that he had worn around his neck. But for fans of the original 2015 wolf warrior, this is a satisfying familiar ending. Is that persons, ended with another american mercenary. In this time the navy seal to the british accent. And tomcats. He manages, withholding of enough to threaten roots of patch of his children with the chinese flag and the horses take a fight for china. A mock stump for being willing to die for his country. But of course the tables are turned yet again. And you met our hero and he manages to step in with no knife. Shortly thereafter, demanding general of the chinese unit symbol of the movies message by saying those who challenge chinas result, will have no safe place to hide. I think theres a light to dissect in these movies that may seem like an even more cartoonish version of a michael bay movie here in america. In this chapter on the new china rules, his observation that i think this could be ripped straight from a fight scene he said with chinas strength, has come up bare knuckle abusiveness. Often combined with an unexpected sense of insecurity. As increasingly clear the beijing expects the west to change how it thinks and asked, engage in selfcensorship and even punish our own workers preventing china. Of course we have seen this phenomenon play out as the ccp and its diplomats have adopted wolf warrior diplomacy throughout the coronavirus crisis. Responding to general secretary desire to display more fighting spirit and in practice, the wolf warrior diplomacy often is hamhanded and unintentionally comical as those in the wolf warrior movie. And while were in the middle of this plot, or the returns Public Opinion suggests the wolf warrior diplomacy maybe backfiring in europe in particular and further turning Public Opinion against the party. I would submit my be popular domestically within china. What were seeing today recent events colliding with a long boring current. In a subsequent wolf warrior attitude that the same time in tucson exactly revenue delivered personally around 2015. Was both Political Parties have released this Defense Strategy rightfully prioritizes indo pacific. But none with the urgency that hr and audio particular. Give them incredible credit for the phenomenal work was done in the 2017 National Security strategy leading to the Subsequent NationalDefense Strategy. Some of these issues every single day in congress, a time when the country is very politically divided. Im actually struck by the amount of consensus on the basic premise of those documents. Even the president s detractor are not necessarily taking issue with the promise of his grand strategy prayed luckily we have the work of insightful clear scholars like you think that way for waking s up to the challenge that we face from the Chinese Communist party effectively have a new direction in u. S. Foreign policy is going to take a long time for us to figure out how to navigate this new set of challenges in all the different crosscurrents that were going to have to navigate around for decades to come. Thank you for your work. Hr nodded, thank you for your leadership. Thank you for not firing the hr over a decade ago. As i was a precocious second First Lieutenant and im really excited for this discussion and im honored to be working on this with you in congress. Thank you for those great introductory remarks. This couldnt come in a more important time. I think what is happening, this diplomacy in this approach, i think that many people great believe in his propaganda. I think its one of the reasons that we are facing said dangerous. Now. So far, what were going to do now is facilitate discussion. And some of his insights. From the superb essays in the book braided that facilitates discussion and that will go on for about 45 minutes past the hour. In the meantime, two questions and ill be reading them is a discussion goings. In the final 15 minutes i will close to the doctor some of your questions. This will be for our viewers. Thanks again. The great introductory remarks and i will turn it over to the doctor now. Is much. It is a pleasure to be here this afternoon. As great to be back as old friends. I thought i would start because i think it comes from the gallagher a little bit earlier. I thought i might direct a couple of questions to him and then a separate i do want to say however, you have proven my point braided years ago i wrote an article about the importance to recount movie lines. To really make it in the National Security and Foreign Policy field. See, identity again. You see how often that actually is important. Usually is the godfather. So would like to ask you soap in the past couple of months you been really busy at home writing to Something Interesting one and sensually, talks about the problem of rep capacity in the u. S. China relationship pretty talk about how twitter is the platform and refusing to enter in the United States is a platform but rules in relation that prevented this for china itself. And then second i would like you to come in the little bit more about your more recent it talks about the possible cold war between the u. S. And china. For criticisms of that pretty couple of days later. Wrote a letter to the editor. I thought it might be interesting. Thank you. To take it to the godfather the releases very much like the godfather. Every time involvement backend. On the first question. I recently did an hour long interview with bill who im sure every one is assuming that they know as a publisher which has become essential reading for people to Pay Attention to these issues and deceit. These platforms are absolutely essential to the ideological strategy. It is the water in which that strategy slams and without it, that strategy really has eight tough time taking hold. So what i suggested after seeing day in and day out, go on twitter and suggest conspiracys in the american media. I wrote a letter to jack dorsey. And suggested that is a simple rule, fair role in my opinion would be that the countries that denied their own citizens to this platform. I. E. , china, should not be allowed to propagate conspiracy theories that platform. Then im sure there are unintended consequences to that. Our democracy. We just went through a bruising debattle for years about russian disinformation leading up to an election and this is more pernicious and were in the midst of an elect right now. So id be open to thoughts on the way to thread that needle in hr spots. As for a new cold war, im open to a itber analogy. I think you have been critical of that analogy so i welcome the push back. My only point is theres something in between hot war, particularly nuclear war, and status quo, doing nothing. We can call it gray zone, warfare, you know, we could call it lukewarm warfare think the cold war analogy is useful bulls it includes into certain similarity with the original cold war, the need to reinvent the National Security apparatuses that we built in the old cold war, had a whole society effort, invest and research and development from a federal law and clues us into the many, many differences. For most the fact we were never economically enter twine if we the soviet union lick the Chinese Communist party, and i just like cold war history, as he referenced in the peace, Joseph Mccarthy from any district, im a second marine Intelligence Officer from wisconsin, elected to congress and that it may be a dubious distinction bit it should warn us we can go overboard but as long as we retan the capacity for selfcorrection can this is michigan we can win and im exterior go on. Cant hundred but think the ccp goes on state tv every day and criticize its cold war thinking and mentality, and us summoning the ghost of mccarthyism but a they dont want the new cold war to end the way the old car did, we minimum and they lose. I rest my thoughts. A perfect opening, history historian misha. I want to turn to you the featured guest of the day. I loved your book. I would like to say that each of the essays is elegantly forecasted and theyre perfect for both those who are new to this subject and experts as well, and michael howard, the famous historian who wrote about strategy, really would have been proud. I think youre an example of what he was talking about. So, lets start at bit misha on just with the title of the book geopolitics. Tell us what you mean by geopolitics . It features so its the theme that runs throughout the whole book and its important for the audience to understand a little bit what you mean and a little bit tell us about nicholas as well because efeet temperatures in self essays and phones a framework to understand the chapters. Thank you, im happy to do that. I realize now that the title of the book probably should have been wolf warrior jayeow politics. Dont know geopolitics. Thats not asking representative gal fer for the title. Let me give a few seconds of thanks. Thanks to hoofer institution for allowing me to publish the book to go with the idea of a book of essays which a lot of people dont like. Tom gillly began, our director who is very supportive of this, chris daughter chris dour and his entire steam who published. Is this best experience publishing the book and this book is beautifully done as a piece. Its nice to hold. Erin and her team, our colleague Neil Ferguson who kindly wrote such an excellent forward that put it into the context of where we are today and i appreciate him taking time of course all of you guys for coming on and i know how about you are and representative gallagher helping run the country, worried but very impending wonderful family news. So everybody is busy and im glad you took time. We have to take time because april important. And its important in a way those who have been doing asia for decades have waited no are and now its here its a little built like the dog who catches the car. What would you do now . Everybody is focused on it in a way you were sort of a lonely voice any wilderness and one way its helpful to think is this older concept of geopolitics. Representative Gallagher Taj but the water that the ccp swims in. We used to swim in the water of geopolitics. Used to think but it all the time in relation to our strategy, our goals, our desires for what the world should look tike and then at the end of the cold war we dropped it just hike he folded up Strategic Air command and said we dont need it anymore. I think part of it was the end of history that the idea that we were the end of history. The idea that we didnt have to really think anymore about a Global Challenge or therefore different areas of the world. I think also some of this may have been related to thinged both hr and Mike Gallagher went through the revolution of military affairs and thought we can project power anywhere around the globe with precision and dont have to think but geography. And geopolitics, do dont want to dish from geostrategy. Its the infront of geography on Police Exactly and International Real estates and how Foreign Policy interact inside a geographic space. Think when you think about china, theres no other way than to understand that they are looking at the world geopolitically, were very used to talking about one belt and one road where the first and Second Island chains but those are geopolitical conceptions for the chinese, but but the way theyre approaching it is through a geoing strategy and identity clunky ask im not a huge fan but its an important distinction weapon talk but geopolitic thats what ir is, Foreign Policy is geopolitics. Geopolitics is not necessarily what you do the u. N. Or the hague, but when you think about access to resources, when now think but lined communication, think about linking different parts of the world together to benefit your own National Power youre trying to affect power through the geographic space and you do it through a geostrategy. For those on this side of thinking about policy we should be thinking about it in those terms. One belt one road is a geostrategy. I found ill wrap up here. Found the think are that started will the germans give it a bad name and theres a long history there i found nicholas sprinkle spikeman, a geopolitician who unfortunate died during the war, died very young, but wrote a couple of just incredibly insightful studies one geopolitical competition played out, and up like mckiner who came to spikemans way of thinking, as opposed to thinking but they heart lean the steppeey in the part odd rescue and china and talked but the rimland. It plays out in the inare seas whether its the met terrain yap or the inning lisch channel or the East China Sea and the south choi sea, where the people and are the productive facilities are. And so that is where competition really happens. Doesnt happen in the middle of the Pacific Ocean except if youre trying to tack a place that gived you midway that gives you access. Instead its competing in rimlands and pikeman really helps us understand what beijing has been trying to do for the past 20 years in terms of securing what in the book i call the asiaalishing met terrain yap this, i integrated strategic space, the sea of japan, the East China Sea, South China Sea into the indian ocean. It behooves us to understand what the chinese think about geopolitics in order for us to have the right geostrategy. I actually next going to ask you a little bit to expand upon the concept of asiaatic mediterranean and what is happening there. Maybe over the past few years in terms of the development and then if you can link that to broader concept of the how it fits in. Thats also another important theme of the book. Talk about the what is hang in the asiaatic mediterranean developments you thi